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[Ryzaki]

Vaenier wrote...


Do people actually think or are they just so blinded by irrational hate that they would kill the people responcible for saving their life... Humans are sad.

They only saved Shepard's life because BW needed a lame plot device to get them involved. >_>

Also: There's nothing "irrational" about disliking a terrorist group that has proven time and time again that not only are they untrustworthy but they're incompetent as well.

As for Shepard's "death" well...urgh I hate that almost as much as I hated with Cerberus. At least the latter actually had a point Shep's death might as well have been a damn coma.

That said my Shep believes dead is dead so yeah they didn't want to be saved in the first place. And they certainly didn't want to be handed over to Cerberus.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 décembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[Jagri]

Vaenier wrote...
Do people actually think or are they just so blinded by irrational hate that they would kill the people responcible for saving their life... Humans are sad.

Cerberus has done many things to provoke rational hate. Things like murder, unethical experiments, enslavement, terrorism, assassination, sabotage, espionage, etc. A few of these things could and does relate personally to Shepard.

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Possibly even he doesn't completely believe in the Reapers; either that or he believes that when Cerberus is brought down and its information plundered, the Alliance can use it all to fight the Reapers better.
Which he may well be right in thinking. But perhaps he has too much faith in the Alliance.

Anderson has no faith in the Alliance. He thinks it's corrupted, and ridden wby Cerberus "infiltrators". He doesn't know anyone in any position of power in the Alliance who he could vouch for, so that he goes to the Turians for help... And he helps Kahlee because he wants to get laid with her!

[Zulu_DFA]

Ryzaki wrote...

As for Shepard's "death" well...urgh I hate that almost as much as I hated with Cerberus. At least the latter actually had a point Shep's death might as well have been a damn coma.

Shepard was only "mostly dead". So much dead that everybody gave up on him, except Cerberus. In other words, it was a very deep coma.

[Ryzaki]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

As for Shepard's "death" well...urgh I hate that almost as much as I hated with Cerberus. At least the latter actually had a point Shep's death might as well have been a damn coma.

Shepard was only "mostly dead". So much dead that everybody gave up on him, except Cerberus. In other words, it was a very deep coma.

Yes because apparently meat and tubes is only mostly dead.

[Nightwriter]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

 Yeah, I realize in the end you can give the metaphorical middle finger to the Illusive man, but at the end of ME1 I was all like; "Great, now I have the respect of the council and the entire Alliance military." Then, "Oh, you died and the majority of your squad members moved on, the Council dismisses your claims and you no longer work for the Alliance." I hope they don't do the same thing with ME3.

Dude, I totally feel your pain. It really bugged me. I felt kind of alienated and disoriented.

But I doubt anything like this will happen in ME3, so it's all good.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ryzaki wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

As for Shepard's "death" well...urgh I hate that almost as much as I hated with Cerberus. At least the latter actually had a point Shep's death might as well have been a damn coma.

Shepard was only "mostly dead". So much dead that everybody gave up on him, except Cerberus. In other words, it was a very deep coma.

Yes because apparently meat and tubes is only mostly dead. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Yes, because a living man is a walking sack of meat and tubes.

[Praetor Knight]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

As for Shepard's "death" well...urgh I hate that almost as much as I hated with Cerberus. At least the latter actually had a point Shep's death might as well have been a damn coma.

Shepard was only "mostly dead". So much dead that everybody gave up on him, except Cerberus. In other words, it was a very deep coma.

Yes because apparently meat and tubes is only mostly dead. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Yes, because a living man is a walking sack of meat and tubes.

All that I can add is that the human body has a higher tolerance than we give it credit.

Then add ME & ME2 lore and you are playing a different ballgame with the human body threshold compared to modern medical science.

[Aeowyn]

The whole death thing is just confusing. Some people tell you that you were dead. Jacob for example."You were dead, dead as dead can be."

And then later on in the game most people, including Shepard, say that s/he was "mostly dead". So what's it going to be BioWare?

[Nightwriter]

Aeowyn wrote...

The whole death thing is just confusing. Some people tell you that you were dead. Jacob for example."You were dead, dead as dead can be."
And then later on in the game most people, including Shepard, say that s/he was "mostly dead". So what's it going to be BioWare?

I have no idea what you mean. It makes perfect sense to me, it's quite clear who BioWare's scientific consultant was in regard to Shepard's resurrection.


"Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your
protagonist here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly
dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive."

Modifié par Nightwriter, 31 décembre 2010 - 09:04 .

[TexasToast712]

Not at all, although  me and Cerberus dont see eye to eye on certain things, I might as well accept their help if they are the only ones offering it. They brought me back to life, thats enough to give them a chance, ONE chance. I was fine with Cerberus up until TIM wanted the Collector Base. Iam mostly Renegade and even I think giving them the base is a bad idea.

If they offer me help in ME3 I will take it, if not, their loss. If TIM tries to **** with me I will put a bullet in his brain.

[Element_Zero]

The death thing is a bit confusing. . . My take on it puts Shepard hitting the planet. . . How do you not just end up in pieces or burning up in the atmosphere? Well that armor Shepard had on must have been some good stuff? Also the only reason I think Shepard hit the planet is because Legion finds the armor there at the crash site (And later you can find the N7 helmet there too.)

The only way I assume Shepard's reasoning for sticking with Cerberus was it was a kind of realization. Given that people were disappearing and Shepard considered dead. Maybe Shepard thought?

1. The Council may not back me again (later proved to be true later in the story timeline,) Given the way they acted about Ilos . . (ME 1 Council issues - which ever way you went. Or troubles if you let them die.)
2. Maybe a sense of . . 'its the lesser of two evils' or 'the lesser of evil'
3. Grateful for being repaired or brought back to life and thus felt regardless out of some sense of honor a need to repay for some of their efforts?

*shrugs*

Modifié par Element_Zero, 31 décembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[Quietness]

"So you lost your whole unit on Akuze"



WHERE IS MY PARAGON INTERRUPT TO GUN THESE !$@#$%@ DOWN?!?!!

[Element_Zero]

Aeowyn wrote...

And then later on in the game most people, including Shepard, say that s/he was "mostly dead". So what's it going to be BioWare?

Somehow I suspect maybe Shepard's (or the writer's intent,) reasoning there was to try to not creep people out? Also I tend to think Shepard can't quite grasp the thought of having been dead.

It's just a thought. . .

[Fates end]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

lovgreno wrote...
They are not the badass and pragmatic saviours of the galaxy some fans likes to see them as.

Maybe not, but they have proven to be the badass and pragmatic saviors of human colonies in the the traverse. They have single-handedly stopped the greatest threat to humanity since First Contact. That's more than can be said of the Alliance.

I would like to point out that on Horizon, it was Alliance-installed defense turrets that forced the collector ship away from the colony. 

Even if Cerberus hinted to the Alliance that horizon might get hit, it was still the Alliance's decision to build the turrets there. 


And personally, I'd say the safe-guarding of Human colonies was not so much done by Cerberus, but by Shepard and his/her amazing crew of human and Alien soldiers.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nightwriter wrote...
There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive."

Dead on, Nightwriter!

[Zulu_DFA]

Fates end wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

lovgreno wrote...
They are not the badass and pragmatic saviours of the galaxy some fans likes to see them as.

Maybe not, but they have proven to be the badass and pragmatic saviors of human colonies in the the traverse. They have single-handedly stopped the greatest threat to humanity since First Contact. That's more than can be said of the Alliance.

I would like to point out that on Horizon, it was Alliance-installed defense turrets that forced the collector ship away from the colony. 

Even if Cerberus hinted to the Alliance that horizon might get hit, it was still the Alliance's decision to build the turrets there. 

So?

The Alliance is the body. Bones, muscle and blood.

Cerberus is the eyes, ears, and brain.

Neither can exist without the other.

Fates end wrote...

And personally, I'd say the safe-guarding of Human colonies was not so much done by Cerberus, but by Shepard and his/her amazing crew of human and Alien soldiers.

Yeah, by Shepard, revived by Cerberus, and aliens from a Cerberus fashion show winners list,  on a ship supplied by Cerberus, and with constant intel heads-ups from Cerberus. Certainly, Cerberus has nothing to do with it. At all.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Yes because apparently meat and tubes is only mostly dead. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Yes, because a living man is a walking sack of meat and tubes.

LOL, I still don't understand what the hell Jacob was talking about when he said "meat and tubes". Then "dead as dead can be", and then "You should ask the scientists!"

[Deathwurm]

The way I played it, my Shep never really worked for Cerberus...he used them to achieve his goals.

I still think that ME2 Shepard after the "Planet Fall" was not ME1 Shepard. I played through as a Renegade and didn't waste Ship resources on improving my looks so by mid-game it looked more and more like Shep was some sort form of enhanced Husk...

I'm still wondering just who Legion REALLY is in there...

[Fixers0]

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.



The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

On the contrary, my friend, TIM is ready to expend Shepard to counter the Collectors, who are to his knowledge only a part of the problem. TIM is pretty confident he's got a chance against the Reapers even without Shepard.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

They also rebuilt the Normandy, gathered up as much of Shepard's former crew as they could, and let's be realistic here--the Lazarus Project is going to pretty extreme lengths to fight the Collectors/Reapers. Certainly nobody else in the Systems Alliance has the ability to perform resurrections. 

They did more than Admiral Hackett, Captain Anderson, and the Council that's for sure. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:48 .

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

On the contrary, my friend, TIM is ready to expend Shepard to counter the Collectors, who are to his knowledge only a part of the problem. TIM is pretty confident he's got a chance against the Reapers even without Shepard.

I don't think from what i have seen in game TIM and his Terorist friends have to rely on Shepard to get things done, The fact that almost every project of Cerberus went wrong and since TIM only sits in his chair to lazy to do something about it and all of his operativs end  up dead or being a traitors only leaves Shepard to do job.

[Aeowyn]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

On the contrary, my friend, TIM is ready to expend Shepard to counter the Collectors, who are to his knowledge only a part of the problem. TIM is pretty confident he's got a chance against the Reapers even without Shepard.

I don't think from what i have seen in game TIM and his Terorist friends have to rely on Shepard to get things done, The fact that almost every project of Cerberus went wrong and since TIM only sits in his chair to lazy to do something about it and all of his operativs end  up dead or being a traitors only leaves Shepard to do job.

Well, we only see their failed experiments. They could have a lot of successful ones that nobody knows about.