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[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

They also rebuilt the Normandy, gathered up as much of Shepard's former crew as they could, and let's be realistic here--the Lazarus Project is going to pretty extreme lengths to fight the Collectors/Reapers. Certainly nobody else in the Systems Alliance has the ability to perform resurrections. 

The Normandy SR1 was a fine ship if Joker didn't for the Sake of plot just stand there it would still be intact., Many of the Squadmembers also doesn't really like working for Cerberus, and if Shepard used his brain once in while he would have find them by the self i fact that would be more Interesting then just blindly recruiting people, about the Resurrection While the anwser is simple, if your dead you ain't gonna care about something. 

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

On the contrary, my friend, TIM is ready to expend Shepard to counter the Collectors, who are to his knowledge only a part of the problem. TIM is pretty confident he's got a chance against the Reapers even without Shepard.

I don't think from what i have seen in game TIM and his Terorist friends have to rely on Shepard to get things done, The fact that almost every project of Cerberus went wrong and since TIM only sits in his chair to lazy to do something about it and all of his operativs end  up dead or being a traitors only leaves Shepard to do job.

See, that's the brilliant part of TIM's plan though. The best thing he could do is bring Shepard back, and then just let Shepard do what Shepard does best. TIM doesn't need control switches in Shepard's brain or anything like that--Shepard is committed to defeating the Reapers and will act to that end with focus and determination, without prodding, manipulation, or goading-while at the same time, putting the best public face on humanity (yes, even as Renegade). No matter what Shepard does, the fact that (s)he is alive at all is a big win for TIM's agenda: stopping the Reapers and advancing humanity's influence in the galaxy.

Modifié par marshalleck, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:55 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

On the contrary, my friend, TIM is ready to expend Shepard to counter the Collectors, who are to his knowledge only a part of the problem. TIM is pretty confident he's got a chance against the Reapers even without Shepard.

I don't think from what i have seen in game TIM and his Terorist friends have to rely on Shepard to get things done, The fact that almost every project of Cerberus went wrong and since TIM only sits in his chair to lazy to do something about it and all of his operativs end  up dead or being a traitors only leaves Shepard to do job.

On the contrary, almost every project Cerberus runs is a success. Sure, the bill is usually high, but you've got to crack some eggs to cook an omelette.

[Aeowyn]

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

They also rebuilt the Normandy, gathered up as much of Shepard's former crew as they could, and let's be realistic here--the Lazarus Project is going to pretty extreme lengths to fight the Collectors/Reapers. Certainly nobody else in the Systems Alliance has the ability to perform resurrections. 

The Normandy SR1 was a fine ship if Joker didn't for the Sake of plot just stand there it would still be intact., Many of the Squadmembers also doesn't really like working for Cerberus, and if Shepard used his brain once in while he would have find them by the self i fact that would be more Interesting then just blindly recruiting people, about the Resurrection While the anwser is simple, if your dead you ain't gonna care about something. 

Wow, lol, do you really believe that?

[Fixers0]

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

On the contrary, my friend, TIM is ready to expend Shepard to counter the Collectors, who are to his knowledge only a part of the problem. TIM is pretty confident he's got a chance against the Reapers even without Shepard.

I don't think from what i have seen in game TIM and his Terorist friends have to rely on Shepard to get things done, The fact that almost every project of Cerberus went wrong and since TIM only sits in his chair to lazy to do something about it and all of his operativs end  up dead or being a traitors only leaves Shepard to do job.

See, that's the brilliant part of TIM's plan though. The best thing he could do is bring Shepard back, and then just let Shepard do what Shepard does best. TIM doesn't need control switches in Shepard's brain or anything like that--Shepard is committed to defeating the Reapers and will act to that end with focus and determination, without prodding, manipulation, or goading-while at the same time, putting the best public face on humanity (yes, even as Renegade). No matter what Shepard does, the fact that (s)he is alive at all is a big win for TIM's agenda. 

I can Understand that Shepard want's to fight agains the Reapers, that makes all perfect sense to me, but what i can't understand for the whole game is why Shepard unconditionally works alongside a terroist organisation, everything you sum up is not because Shepard is so, but because the plot demand things to be done.

[Fixers0]

Aeowyn wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

They also rebuilt the Normandy, gathered up as much of Shepard's former crew as they could, and let's be realistic here--the Lazarus Project is going to pretty extreme lengths to fight the Collectors/Reapers. Certainly nobody else in the Systems Alliance has the ability to perform resurrections. 

The Normandy SR1 was a fine ship if Joker didn't for the Sake of plot just stand there it would still be intact., Many of the Squadmembers also doesn't really like working for Cerberus, and if Shepard used his brain once in while he would have find them by the self i fact that would be more Interesting then just blindly recruiting people, about the Resurrection While the anwser is simple, if your dead you ain't gonna care about something. 

Wow, lol, do you really believe that?

Sure, he the moment that they were just standing guessing what the Ship might be even though the know it's on intercept course where the most painfull seconds of the game, just jump to FTL.

[marshalleck]

Fixers0 wrote...

I can Understand that Shepard want's to fight agains the Reapers, that makes all perfect sense to me, but what i can't understand for the whole game is why Shepard unconditionally works alongside a terroist organisation, everything you sum up is not because Shepard is so, but because the plot demand things to be done.

Well maybe you need to play it again and listen to what the Council and Anderson have to say to you when you go to them for help. It's all explained, really it is. If you just refuse to accept that, it's your problem, not the fault of the game.

[Fixers0]

Fixers0 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus working against the reapers that just what they are saying, there just a pathetic bunch terrorists who want to save ther own asses but since they can't and don't want to do it by them selfs they decided to recruit someone who can, which is pretty much the only thing they actually do against the reapers.

The bottem line is: Cerberus hasn't done anything against the reapers besides bringing Shepard back, Since they let him do all the work, if Shepard was't killed they would have done nothing at all.

They also rebuilt the Normandy, gathered up as much of Shepard's former crew as they could, and let's be realistic here--the Lazarus Project is going to pretty extreme lengths to fight the Collectors/Reapers. Certainly nobody else in the Systems Alliance has the ability to perform resurrections. 

The Normandy SR1 was a fine ship if Joker didn't for the Sake of plot just stand there it would still be intact., Many of the Squadmembers also doesn't really like working for Cerberus, and if Shepard used his brain once in while he would have find them by the self i fact that would be more Interesting then just blindly recruiting people, about the Resurrection While the anwser is simple, if your dead you ain't gonna care about something. 

Wow, lol, do you really believe that?

Sure, he the moment that they were just standing guessing what the Ship might be even though the know it's on intercept course where the most painfull seconds of the game, just jump to FTL.

Now i thing i have commented enough, point of the whole story, Bioware thought is was cool the working alongside the bad guys for a change, that might be so, but it was executed very poorly and we were just forced to watch every stupid decision after another.

[rma2110]

I hope BioWare has a fantastic reason for killing Shepard and forcing Cerberus upon us, because I am getting sick of the endless debates on this forum.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Now i thing i have commented enough, point of the whole story, Bioware thought is was cool the working alongside the bad guys for a change, that might be so, but it was executed very poorly.

Blame the thermal clips, not Cerberus.

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Now i thing i have commented enough, point of the whole story, Bioware thought is was cool the working alongside the bad guys for a change, that might be so, but it was executed very poorly.

Blame the thermal clips, not Cerberus.

Don't worry i won't blame Cerberus for the horrible plot of Mass effect.

Normally i would post a list of what i do blame Cerberus for, but i just don't want another discussion. Cerberus is just evil.

[Merchant2006]

I wanted my sole survivor background Shepard to really have some exclusive dialogue with Cerberus... but I didn't get anything. Absolutely nothing. So with regards to that, yes I was disappointed.

[Amyntas]

Whenever Cerberus gives me the "get stuff done" or "boohoo red tape" speech I want to punch them in the face. The next time somebody dumps toxic waste into their backyards they'll be crying for bureaucrats and regulations.

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus is just evil.

Or inept?

[Aeowyn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus is just evil.

Or inept?

Lol I love the fact that you have a poll for everything  (not sarcasm)

Cerberus are not evil. I just think they're a perfect example of what happens when you do scientific research without being stopped by laws and regulations etc.
Good things may come out of it, but bad things too. Kind of like stem cell research I guess.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 31 décembre 2010 - 12:37 .

[marshalleck]

Aeowyn wrote...

Good things may come out of it, but bad things too. Kind of like stem cell research I guess.

[Aeowyn]

marshalleck wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Good things may come out of it, but bad things too. Kind of like stem cell research I guess.

I'm talking about the debate regarding it. A lot of people find it immoral and others don't because of what the results can provide.

[Cypher0020]

I was intrigued about working for Cerberus. Working for the Alliance in ME1 was almost too rosy....the ship, the crew for the most part... nothing went wrong, save for Virmire....you were safely tucked in Council space....



ME2 chunks it all out the window. You're hated, in LOSTB you're hunted, only Hackett kept them from arresting Shep...your crew is bat s*** insane, and they know it... yet by endgame they are the crazy dysfuncitonal family that gets the job done...



I took ME2 as 'going dark' putting a toe in the pool of evil, despite being paragon... my ideals were shaken, I caused a truck load more death and destruction.... and I liked it.



I looked mostly towards the SR2 crew, and EDI than TIM. I don't see people like Gabby, Ken, or Joker or Chakwas evil.. they're simply scared, trying to fight all these crazy enemies.



I may not agree with all of Cerberus's methods, but they're an evil I'll work with for now

[Xilizhra]

I'm talking about the debate regarding it. A lot of people find it immoral and others don't because of what the results can provide.

The opposing viewpoint isn't "results at any costs" so much as "these things really, really aren't alive and can't be hurt."

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus is just evil.

Or inept?

or both mayby?

[marshalleck]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm talking about the debate regarding it. A lot of people find it immoral and others don't because of what the results can provide.

The opposing viewpoint isn't "results at any costs" so much as "these things really, really aren't alive and can't be hurt."

Thank you. Stem cell research isn't sacrificing babies for scientific progress, even though that's how its opponents portray it. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:01 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus is just evil.

Or inept?

or both mayby?

Nope. It's either or.

In part 'cause you can't be truly evil if you are inept.

[Fixers0]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Cerberus is just evil.

Or inept?

or both mayby?

Nope. It's either or.

In part 'cause you can't be truly evil if you are inept.

I'm sure Cerberus can

Jeez what doesn't can happen these days.

Modifié par Fixers0, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:26 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Fixers0 wrote...

Jeez what doesn't can these days.

You win.

[The Smoking Man]

Fixers0 wrote...

Jeez what doesn't can these days.

This reminds me of a time when someone posted "DO CAN" on another forum. (I would later use "DO CAN" to refer to cannon rushing when playing Starcraft 2, just because.)