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[KMYash]

Well I didn't hate Jacob, there was just an entire ship of people more interesting. My thought process with him was like "Okay, you're good. Don't have to worry about you going crazy on me...lets go check on the pyschopaths "



It may change in ME3, you never know. Somehow in ME1 I wasn't fond of Garrus at all (didn't hate him but just couldn't bring myself to like him).Then in ME2 it was like 'did you have this much personality, or calibrations to do, before?' So meh, people may change their mind if Jacob has something more interesting in the next game

[darth_lopez]

lazuli wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

Jacob sucks at combat.

When your idea of "the good stuff" is Pull, then you suck.

Before I had much experience with this game, I would have agreed with you.  It is true that Jacob fits certain Shepards better than others.  His ammo power helps any class during the early game.  Once the weapons classes can afford their own ammo powers (after evolving their signature ability and their passive), Jacob does lose some of his appeal.  But until you reach that point, Squad Incendiary Ammo is helpful. 

i would disagree, at least after the first playthrough when you then gain access to AP Rounds. Incidiaries then only have the slightly appealing ability to do Damage over time but i don't think stage 2 incindiary is +40% Damage to Health and Armor.

Pull however can be useful when combined with other powers, Particularly useful as Pull Field and throw field. I find a better opener for Warp is Almost always Overload to knock out shields, then warp the armor or health. But i play Tech heavy.

[sympathy4saren]

Did I hear a vague reference towards *clears throat*..... "Reapers" in the mentioning of the Turian Council member?



Ah yes, "Reapers". An immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in dark space. I thought we dismissed that claim...

[GodWood]

KMYash wrote...
Well I didn't hate Jacob, there was just an entire ship of people more interesting. My thought process with him was like "Okay, you're good. Don't have to worry about you going crazy on me...lets go check on the pyschopaths :D"

There was only one psychopath companion; Morinth.

[darth_lopez]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Did I hear a vague reference towards *clears throat*..... "Reapers" in the mentioning of the Turian Council member?

Ah yes, "Reapers". An immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in dark space. I thought we dismissed that claim...

I'm pretty sure it was just a geth ship so yeah

[Mr. MannlyMan]

I liked Jacob. I don't think he was a badly written or overly bland character per se... and he was more relatable to neutral and paragon Shepard than any other ME2 squadmate.



I think people who dislike him just like to single him out for being "unremarkable" in relation to the rest of the Dirty Dozen. He's a deep, conflicted character, but he doesn't have that peculiarity that makes the others immediately interesting. The game never gives any of the characters much time to develop, it gives them the bare minimum needed to flesh them out adequately, and unless you're a hyper-intelligent scientist with a quirky speech pattern, you're not going to hold up as well to the competition in that kind of timeframe.



On the other hand, plenty of people who played ME1 loved Tali and hated Kaidan, which was even weirder considering Kaidan actually had an interesting story to tell while Tali was basically a detached encyclopaedia.





Don't bother with it. Forums hardly ever make sense.

[Ulzeraj]

darth_lopez wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

Most people don't care enough about Jacob to love him or hate him. He just makes me go 'meh'. Although he gets points for being the most stable character on the Normandy and the only one who did not require a paragon interrupt to stop him from murdering someone.

I also think most of the boys are jealous that he had Miranda first, even though he thinks he's not good enough for her.

Tali didn't require a paragon interrupt nor did Legion, or Grunt.

Tali had a paragon hug!

I didnt disliked him. His bro-hug is more interesting that garrus' calibrations.

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:12 .

[KMYash]

[quote]GodWood wrote...
[/quote]There was only one psychopath companion; Morinth.[/quote]

I'd like to disagree on that only with Miranda. Crazy eyes when you meet her in the beginning of the game. Also it was a joke, though you have to wonder about most of their sanities. Jack, nothing really needs to be said. Garrus, he got used to the smell of burning bodies. Zaeed, willing to go on SM for money.

Also still a light hearted post.

[saMoorai]

Jacob is my favorite character.

[GodWood]

KMYash wrote...

GodWood wrote...
There was only one psychopath companion; Morinth.

I'd like to disagree on that only with Miranda. Crazy eyes when you meet her in the beginning of the game. Also it was a joke, though you have to wonder about most of their sanities. Jack, nothing really needs to be said. Garrus, he got used to the smell of burning bodies. Zaeed, willing to go on SM for money.

Also still a light hearted post.

I know, I just hate it when people use the term psychopath incorrectly.

[Ryzaki]

...Only thing I remember before ME2 came out about Jacob was some Kanye West jokes. Then the priiize was discovered and well...we all know where that went.

[Dominus]

I wouldn't even necessarily define morinth as a psychopathic character... To me, Morinth and Samara were sort of a Yin/Yang Relationship: Samara was a symbol of a controlled, black and white belief system. Morinth, due to many reasons, preferred a life of(at least in her mind) absolute freedom, and recognized nothing is truly black and white. Maybe I'm looking too into things, just putting it out there. I know this is a Jacob thread, but... come on

[Lovestories]

For whatever reasons some people intially didnt take to jacob, from the glimpse we saw of him so mocking started. (im going from what you said, didnt notice much mocking).

Instead of that stopping because most people grew to love/like him after being introduced to the game, at the fault of the writers he had some bad lines and so this cemented peoples dislike for him even more. So the jokes continued.



I agree though the Jacob jokes are just annoying at this point

[Lovestories]

lazuli wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Him being human is inconsequential.

I disagree.  If Garrus were human, he would suffer the same "whiner" stigma as Kaidan.  The human male squadmates just can't win.  If they express themselves, they're "whiners."  If they don't, they're "boring."  

Completely agree with this.

[Ulzeraj]

Lovestories wrote...

lazuli wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Him being human is inconsequential.

I disagree.  If Garrus were human, he would suffer the same "whiner" stigma as Kaidan.  The human male squadmates just can't win.  If they express themselves, they're "whiners."  If they don't, they're "boring."  

Completely agree with this.

Well... Zaeed is a human male and it is quite badass.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Jacob was just... boring. I'm sorry, but he was. I think his character would be better if he was conflicted with the whole Alliance to Cerberus thing and had a hard time being with Cerberus. THAT would have been great.

Instead, he... see, I don't even know. I felt like his character was just not engaging.

I can go on and on really

[GodWood]

DominusVita wrote...
I wouldn't even necessarily define morinth as a psychopathic character... To me, Morinth and Samara were sort of a Yin/Yang Relationship: Samara was a symbol of a controlled, black and white belief system. Morinth, due to many reasons, preferred a life of(at least in her mind) absolute freedom, and recognized nothing is truly black and white. Maybe I'm looking too into things, just putting it out there. I know this is a Jacob thread, but... come on :

Quick summary of the characteristics of a psychopath.

"The prototypical psychopath has deficits or deviances in several areas: interpersonal relationships, emotion, and self-control. Psychopaths gain satisfaction through antisocial behavior, and do not experience shame, guilt, or remorse for their actions.  Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright. Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. All of this belies their tendency to make a likable first impression; psychopaths have a superficial charm about them, enabled by a willingness to say anything without concern for accuracy or truth. Shallow affect also describes the psychopath's tendency for genuine emotion to be short-lived and egocentric, with an overall cold demeanor. Their behavior is impulsive and irresponsible, often failing to keep a job or defaulting on debts. Psychopaths also have a markedly distorted sense of the potential consequences of their actions, not only for others, but also for themselves. They do not deeply recognize the risk of being caught, disbelieved or injured as a result of their behaviour"

Sounds like Morinth to me.

[Lovestories]

Ulzeraj wrote...

Lovestories wrote...

lazuli wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Him being human is inconsequential.

I disagree.  If Garrus were human, he would suffer the same "whiner" stigma as Kaidan.  The human male squadmates just can't win.  If they express themselves, they're "whiners."  If they don't, they're "boring."  

Completely agree with this.

Well... Zaeed is a human male and it is quite badass.

But you don't get any back and forth dialouge like you do with the other team members, its just him telling stories. Also they aimed to make him look "cool" vs Kaidan and Jacob just look regular

[darth_lopez]

Ulzeraj wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

Most people don't care enough about Jacob to love him or hate him. He just makes me go 'meh'. Although he gets points for being the most stable character on the Normandy and the only one who did not require a paragon interrupt to stop him from murdering someone.

I also think most of the boys are jealous that he had Miranda first, even though he thinks he's not good enough for her.

Tali didn't require a paragon interrupt nor did Legion, or Grunt.

Tali had a paragon hug!

I didnt disliked him. His bro-hug is more interesting that garrus' calibrations.

now i'm confused cause i thought i saw everything in both games yet someone is telling me jacob hugs you o.O as male shep O.o idk but suddenly jacobs refussal to date Miranda after 'testing the waters' is suddenly starting to make sense

[Encarmine]

Im down with Jacob, the dude is a pimp, Miranda done, Kasumi to be done, what a guy, and femshep freakin get wets just taling to him.



your all jealous of his virtual pimpness

[Dasher1010]

I WANTED to like Jacob. I really did. He just wasn't as effective of a tank as Grunt and his biotics and weapon damage weren't as effective as effective as Jack's. He was somewhere in between Grunt and Jack but was a lesser version of both.



This is in addition to his creepy romance dialog that sounds like soemthing out of an 80s porno movie and even when you reject him, Femshep always sounds like she's unbearably horny. Jacob had potential but he's not all that great in combat and my Femsheps usually pick Garrus or Kaiden as a romance since they aren't anywhere near as awkward as Jacob.



So yeah, he had potential as a character but he's the right mix of being the most useless character in combat with being genuinely annoying/creepy as a romance option. He's just sort of there to me. I don't HATE him but I feel that was was an afterthought to the devs and he'll never get past that reputation. While every squademate was interesting in ME1, there were only six of them compared with 12 in ME2 and I'm still happy that 11 of them are actually quite awesome. Jacob simply isn't.

[jojon2se]

If in a cynical mood, one could speculate that since Jacob is very much like Shepard, many players instinctively reject him as an alpha position rival.

[Dune01]

We don't hate him.He just makes us laugh.

Modifié par Dune01, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:32 .

[Winterfly]

I find him to be a bland, uninteresting charachter I never took with me, ever.



Pull the race card? Would be pretty hard to pull one of those when there is pretty unqiue species in the party Or you do not consider them "people" too? "They dont exsist?" No, nor do Jacob. I would not find ME2 being ME2 without him, everyone is needed to make the game into what it is. But I barely used him.

[ROD525]

How can you not love a character who gives you a Bro hug and wants to get loud and spill drinks on the citadel after the mission? Jacob is a true G.