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[sinosleep]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I have to disagree. I have Jacob fully upgraded and he's a monster with the GPS, even at a distance, he's like a me1 vanguard especially when he can use barrier freely and just run at people, soak up damage and then use barrier to stay alive. He dies way less than some squad mates (yeah I mean you garrus) and he's accurate with a shot gun definitly a top 5 squadmate.

The problem with barrier is that if you are using Jacob primarily as a pull bot it makes it nearly impossible to do so because he constantly spams barrier and as such is always on CD when you want to cast pull.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

I play as femshep and pretty much ignored him thanks to the predatory way she would speak to him. It was the writers fault, not his, but he still suffered for it.

[Eromenos]

Jacob is an exposition-bot when we meet him after waking up, and he doesn't come off as a particularly bright one at that. "The best technology money can buy" and "cutting-edge stuff" enunciated for idiots just screams pandering to me. I don't care if Cerberus likes to partition people's tasks, Jacob's continual self-righteous refusal to get dirty from digging amounted to no more than pointless impotent chest-thumping projection of distrust towards Cerberus. All the other cautious squadmates expressed their misgivings in better ways than he did.

I never played ME: Galaxy, but I heard enough about it to the point where his meager backstories rehashing those events during ME2 felt worthless. Jacob brought nothing new. Cerberus is duplicitous? O...kay, then.

Modifié par Eromenos, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:56 .

[m4pneub08]

I'm noticing some comparisons to Kaidan, and I would just like to say Jacob > Kaidan.

In every aspect.



I'm a male shep, and I don't get the feeling that Jacob is hitting on me all the time like Kaidan does. I would be more inclined to make fun of Kaidan days before I would make it around to Jacob.



I will admit, I didn't talk with Jacob that much, but that's not because he was uninteresting or that I didn't like him, it was because there was an understanding that we were friends, and there wasn't really a need after his loyalty mission to talk very much. Of course, I have before, but I generally don't delve too far into discussion with him, the same way I don't talk to Grunt very much either. Really the only male characters I would talk to extensively were Thane, Mordin, and Garrus.

[Cyberfrog81]

m4pneub08 wrote...
I'm a male shep, and I don't get the feeling that Jacob is hitting on me all the time like Kaidan does.

On the contrary, when my first Shepard (male) sat down to chat with Jacob, I wondered if BioWare had "given in" and implemented a male LI for maleShep.


I wasn't on the forum before ME2's release, so fortunately I wasn't exposed to much senseless character hate.

Modifié par Cyberfrog81, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

sinosleep wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I have to disagree. I have Jacob fully upgraded and he's a monster with the GPS, even at a distance, he's like a me1 vanguard especially when he can use barrier freely and just run at people, soak up damage and then use barrier to stay alive. He dies way less than some squad mates (yeah I mean you garrus) and he's accurate with a shot gun definitly a top 5 squadmate.

The problem with barrier is that if you are using Jacob primarily as a pull bot it makes it nearly impossible to do so because he constantly spams barrier and as such is always on CD when you want to cast pull.

Which is why he's only really useful before completing his loyalty mission (and therefore unlocking Barrier), funnily enough.

[MajesticJazz]

Mezzil wrote...

Before the game came out, there was boys that hated him because it was hinted that Miranda and Jacob are/ were in a relationship. They said they were going to kill him if this was true.

Some girls hated him because they thought he'd take their chance away to have sex with an alien. Before DAO and ME2, there was only ever one male LI.

Exactly!

Before ME2 came out, it was suggested that Jacob would be the only human LI for female Shepards. For whatever reasons I do not know, a lot of people (female AND male) did not like that he was the only human male LI. With this, there was dicussion about how they will kill Jacob off for reason this and reason that. And I am thinking to myself "Did Kaiden ever recieve this hate when gamers found out that he was the only human option for female shepard's?" And the answer to that is, no, I can never remember Kaiden pre-ME1 ever getting banter like Jacob. I can never remember females (and even males) back at the old forums saying that Bioware is neglecting the female player by not having more human male options besides Kaiden.

Kaiden is boring to, but nobody jokes about him.
Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

[Errol Dnamyx]

cuz he black.

Actually, I dislike him for his reactions towards the other squadmembers after recruiting them.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[Aeowyn]

Because Kaidan didn't show up with the prize. And fem Shep doesn't sound like she wants to defile him where he's standing when she speaks to him.



And on a different note: Garrus does not whine about Sidonis. I hate the generalisation that people don't romance Jacob because he's human. It's ridiculous. Did people avoid romancing Kaidan and Ashley because they were humans and Liara was an alien? No.

[CroGamer002]

He's boring most of the time but some of his dialogue is just plain hilarious that his gag never get's old.

I know it's heavy risk of him getting more popular... but the prize!

[CroGamer002]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

cuz he black.

Actually, I dislike him for his reactions towards the other squadmembers after recruiting them.

All I can say about his comments.

DOUCHE!

Modifié par Mesina2, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[CroGamer002]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Kaiden is boring to, but nobody jokes about him.
Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

Kaidan doesn't have douche comments on other squadmates and he is very good in combat. Ashley is useless since ally AI in shooting is retarded.

[Xilizhra]

Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

A weak Sentinel? Really?



Anyway, why are you bringing this up, months after the fact? Jacob has goofy romantic dialogue; that's all there is to it.

[Alienmorph]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...
Actually, I dislike him for his reactions towards the other squadmembers after recruiting them.

Gosh... I really expected that Tali punched him... who in the hell is enough dumb to talk about IAs to a quarian, after she spoken for minutes about how much she distrusts you? Well... Jacob.

I hope that the few Jacob's fans don't take these things too much on personal. For every fanbase there's an hudge group of haters to deal with... it's sad, but this doesn't change the reality. The fact that Jacob is fairy my less favourite male character (seriously... even Zaeed is better imoh) doesn't mean I'll go to insult anyone who doesn't share my opinion. The keyword is: respect. I can do observations like the upper one, I can do funny jokes or silly motivationals about him. But I won't go to s**t in the head of Jacob's fan. I have to tolerate too much crap about my favourite squaddies to become enough dumb to do the same to someone else.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 30 décembre 2010 - 10:11 .

[GodWood]

Ahglock wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Quick summary of the characteristics of a psychopath.

"The prototypical psychopath has deficits or deviances in several areas: interpersonal relationships, emotion, and self-control. Psychopaths gain satisfaction through antisocial behavior, and do not experience shame, guilt, or remorse for their actions.  Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright. Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. All of this belies their tendency to make a likable first impression; psychopaths have a superficial charm about them, enabled by a willingness to say anything without concern for accuracy or truth. Shallow affect also describes the psychopath's tendency for genuine emotion to be short-lived and egocentric, with an overall cold demeanor. Their behavior is impulsive and irresponsible, often failing to keep a job or defaulting on debts. Psychopaths also have a markedly distorted sense of the potential consequences of their actions, not only for others, but also for themselves. They do not deeply recognize the risk of being caught, disbelieved or injured as a result of their behaviour"

Sounds like Morinth to me.

Sound a lot like Jack as well. 

Jack is not the slightest bit charismatic nor does she appear outwardly normal.

DJBare wrote...
He aint so bad, good in a fight and remembers to salute his commanding officer unlike the rest of the crew!

And this is something I did like about Jacob.

Modifié par GodWood, 30 décembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[RyuAzai]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Before the game came out, there was boys that hated him because it was hinted that Miranda and Jacob are/ were in a relationship. They said they were going to kill him if this was true.

Some girls hated him because they thought he'd take their chance away to have sex with an alien. Before DAO and ME2, there was only ever one male LI.

Exactly!

Before ME2 came out, it was suggested that Jacob would be the only human LI for female Shepards. For whatever reasons I do not know, a lot of people (female AND male) did not like that he was the only human male LI. With this, there was dicussion about how they will kill Jacob off for reason this and reason that. And I am thinking to myself "Did Kaiden ever recieve this hate when gamers found out that he was the only human option for female shepard's?" And the answer to that is, no, I can never remember Kaiden pre-ME1 ever getting banter like Jacob. I can never remember females (and even males) back at the old forums saying that Bioware is neglecting the female player by not having more human male options besides Kaiden.

Kaiden is boring to, but nobody jokes about him.
Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

What are you -truly- trying to point out here OP?  Personally I liked Jacob, I actually used him a lot in my playthroughs.  I was around too before ME2 and I witnesses the chris tucker jokes, kanye west jokes, and the trailer you speak off.   All those things are true, in citing them.

Though this trailer may have been a combination of interviews, where people talked about getting a little preview of playing ME2 when Shepard just wakes up and interacts with Jacob.

But it seems to me, with the topics you bring up and how you compare him to other characters, that you are trying to say something else.   To me personally it seems you are thinly suggesting that people really didn't like him because he was Black.

[Avilia]

I don't like him for these reasons:

1. Cerberus operative
2. Bit too self righteous about the other squad mates considering he's a mercenary
3. His assumption that he's allowed an opinion on everything
4. Seemingly forced romance conversations (the lean back when talking after his loyalty mission)

No 1 is my main reason - its also my reason for not liking Miranda (also her "I'm Shepard's second in command" - sure sweetheart, in your mind maybe). I'm replaying ME1 atm and its reminding me, vividly, of all the reasons not to trust Cerberus. My next ME2 playthrough is going to really annoy TIM ;-)

Modifié par Avilia, 30 décembre 2010 - 10:59 .

[Lovestories]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Before the game came out, there was boys that hated him because it was hinted that Miranda and Jacob are/ were in a relationship. They said they were going to kill him if this was true.

Some girls hated him because they thought he'd take their chance away to have sex with an alien. Before DAO and ME2, there was only ever one male LI.

Exactly!

Before ME2 came out, it was suggested that Jacob would be the only human LI for female Shepards. For whatever reasons I do not know, a lot of people (female AND male) did not like that he was the only human male LI. With this, there was dicussion about how they will kill Jacob off for reason this and reason that. And I am thinking to myself "Did Kaiden ever recieve this hate when gamers found out that he was the only human option for female shepard's?" And the answer to that is, no, I can never remember Kaiden pre-ME1 ever getting banter like Jacob. I can never remember females (and even males) back at the old forums saying that Bioware is neglecting the female player by not having more human male options besides Kaiden.

Kaiden is boring to, but nobody jokes about him.
Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

Why was he picked on before? Gamers always pick on weak points on a characters before a games release same way they'll praise the character on any strong points. The same way we pick to pieces tiny teasers. Thats all we've got so will make do and over analyse and entertain ourselves till more stuff cames out.

Aftewards, most people percieve him as boring or they just arent interested. like Kaidan most people would probably have forgotten about him but bioware wrote some terrible lines in his romance which are comedy gold for a forum.

I remember people complaining that it was unfair to only have one human male LI and a female/non female Asari for female players and not wanting the same treatment for ME2. So it makes sense people would be even more vocal if they're again informed they're only getting one male LI. Did Kaidan recieve hate pre release? I would'nt know and I doubt anyone would have known he was the only female LI or even a character as there was never any femshep promos.

Nobody jokes about rather insults Kaidan as much anymore because Jacob's flavour of the month I remember people complaining about Kaidan all the time before ME2. There's now a new character whos even worse, with even stupider lines, Kaidan had "JOKERS WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE" Jacob, well we all know, so eveyones making fun of him right now.

Most of the reasons people don't like Jacob currently
He's boring/no personality
Too critical of other crew members,
Kaidan 2.0
Every conversation with him and femshep turns her into a horny moron
Tactless to Tali
Jealously over Miranda/Jacob past relationship
Ridiculous romance lines
Useless in combat

Out of all this I just feel sorry for the voice actor who had to read such stupid lines tbh.

Modifié par Lovestories, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[ADLegend21]

sinosleep wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I have to disagree. I have Jacob fully upgraded and he's a monster with the GPS, even at a distance, he's like a me1 vanguard especially when he can use barrier freely and just run at people, soak up damage and then use barrier to stay alive. He dies way less than some squad mates (yeah I mean you garrus) and he's accurate with a shot gun definitly a top 5 squadmate.

The problem with barrier is that if you are using Jacob primarily as a pull bot it makes it nearly impossible to do so because he constantly spams barrier and as such is always on CD when you want to cast pull.

and there are two other squadmates (three if shepard is a biotc) who use pull. and if that's so bad then cut off squad power usage. not that hard to control your squad

[Cailean]

MajesticJazz wrote...

All this Jacob hate is starting to play itself out. It gets annoying seeing how everyone claims that the reason why Jacob is hated is because he "had a bad romance" or is a boring character however, 4-6 months before the release of ME2 Jacob was probably the most joked about ME2 squad character.

Did you ever learned that you shouldn't take some things to serious?

[MajesticJazz]

It is also funny how gamers complain about how their female Shepards are too sexual in terms of voice tones when they speak to Jacob.



I wonder if gamers would complain if their male Shepard's were too sexual in terms of voice when talking to a female character.

[syllogi]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Before the game came out, there was boys that hated him because it was hinted that Miranda and Jacob are/ were in a relationship. They said they were going to kill him if this was true.

Some girls hated him because they thought he'd take their chance away to have sex with an alien. Before DAO and ME2, there was only ever one male LI.

Exactly!

Before ME2 came out, it was suggested that Jacob would be the only human LI for female Shepards. For whatever reasons I do not know, a lot of people (female AND male) did not like that he was the only human male LI. With this, there was dicussion about how they will kill Jacob off for reason this and reason that. And I am thinking to myself "Did Kaiden ever recieve this hate when gamers found out that he was the only human option for female shepard's?" And the answer to that is, no, I can never remember Kaiden pre-ME1 ever getting banter like Jacob. I can never remember females (and even males) back at the old forums saying that Bioware is neglecting the female player by not having more human male options besides Kaiden.

Kaiden is boring to, but nobody jokes about him.
Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

Actually, I can link you the threads back on the old Bioware forum that were devoted to Kaidan, before the game came out.  At first, the threads were filled with frustration that there was so little information being shown about FemShep's male love interest, but there were ALWAYS haters...usually guys who wanted to rain on the "fangirl" parade.  Go into the Fenris Thread in the DA2 forum, and you'll see the same sort of thing now...guys coming in and telling all the people in the thread to get a life, or telling them that they're pathetic or their interest is scary.  It's *all* the same.

Then a video revealed Kaidan's voice, and it was OMG CARTH, from then on.  The two characters are nothing alike, but still, to this day, the comparisons come from people who are completely unable to relate to a character if they are not an AWESOME alien or EXTREME human with tattoos and scars.  I've seen racist comics about Kaidan, I've seen long, drawn out descriptions of how people want their ME2 LIs to kill Kaidan, and I've seen fanfiction depicting Kaidan as a baby stealing maniac.  Jacob is *lucky* in comparison to Kaidan when it comes to the hate.

But basically, Kaidan and Jacob are alike because they are the:



And they will rarely be appreciated for who they are by the majority of players.

[Lovestories]

MajesticJazz wrote...

It is also funny how gamers complain about how their female Shepards are too sexual in terms of voice tones when they speak to Jacob.

I wonder if gamers would complain if their male Shepard's were too sexual in terms of voice when talking to a female character.

Most gamers? I dunno but I certainly would, that would be annoying. It might fit one of my ME characters but for the rest just like my femsheps when talking to Jacob it would be out of place and uncomfortable.

The problem for me is its like that from the beginning whether or not I show any interest in him or not. If they wanted to do that after the romance had started it would'nt be so bad.

[MajesticJazz]

You bring up a good point TeenZombie about people calling the "normal" human characters boring.



If Jacob plays a prominent role in ME3, it will be interesting to see how gamers view him again assuming that he is less boring and less flirty with the female Shepards.



Personally, I liked it to see my female Shepard let her hair down with Jacob when she chatted with him.

[leggywillow]

@TeenZombie:  I agree!

But the main reason I came into this thread is to snicker about Jacob and his "bad romance".  Because now I will forever hear Jacob singing that song.

Gaga ooh la la... want your bad romance...

Poor Jacob.  He is indeed caught in a bad romance.