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[Lovestories]

Seriously who wrote those lines? Just tried too hard with the sex appeal

[ADLegend21]

Another thing is people misunderstand his "she requires a better man than I" line when asked about Miranda. He is in no way saying he'snot good enough for her, it's most likely a maked line for "I couldn't put up with her BS" Taht's part of the terrible writing that came with him and why alot of femshep players don't do his romance along with "but he priiize" which means time spent with femshep. It's also overlooked that Jacob goes out of his way to let Femshep vent frustration "Of anyone you deserve to vent, so what's up?" Garrus and Thane just dump their grief on femshep (especially Thane and his dead wife) but it's like the poster TZ posted he's the human among a bunch of "cool" aliens.

[CroGamer002]

TeenZombie wrote...


Actually, I can link you the threads back on the old Bioware forum that were devoted to Kaidan, before the game came out.  At first, the threads were filled with frustration that there was so little information being shown about FemShep's male love interest, but there were ALWAYS haters...usually guys who wanted to rain on the "fangirl" parade.  Go into the Fenris Thread in the DA2 forum, and you'll see the same sort of thing now...guys coming in and telling all the people in the thread to get a life, or telling them that they're pathetic or their interest is scary.  It's *all* the same.

Then a video revealed Kaidan's voice, and it was OMG CARTH, from then on.  The two characters are nothing alike, but still, to this day, the comparisons come from people who are completely unable to relate to a character if they are not an AWESOME alien or EXTREME human with tattoos and scars.  I've seen racist comics about Kaidan, I've seen long, drawn out descriptions of how people want their ME2 LIs to kill Kaidan, and I've seen fanfiction depicting Kaidan as a baby stealing maniac.  Jacob is *lucky* in comparison to Kaidan when it comes to the hate.

But basically, Kaidan and Jacob are alike because they are the:



And they will rarely be appreciated for who they are by the majority of players.

Have to disagree ma'am.
Kaidan has personality.

Jacob lost it somewhere between ME Galaxy and ME2.

[PrinceLionheart]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

cuz he black.

Actually, I dislike him for his reactions towards the other squadmembers after recruiting them.

Which squadmates, Tali and Thane? Tali was the hostile party, so I still scratch my head to how people blame Jacob for anything said. Admittedly, Jacob was rude to Thane though.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 31 décembre 2010 - 12:07 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I dislike Jacob as a character.

Because he feels like a poorly written and poorly thoughout Kaidan Alenko. And the fact that most of his lines make him look like a douche/tool.

[Alphia]

Maybe people don't like to romance Jacob/Kaidan because they don't need to be fixed. They're both like "Yeah, bad stuff happened in my past but I've dealt with it." Garrus/Thane just give you the impression that they really need you.



To be clear, I'm not decrying any of the romances. I thought they were all solid, but very different.

[hamtyl07]

My whole thing with Jacob is just that he's the most boreing character i have ever seen in a video game and i have seen some pretty horrible games in my life time but yet in those games the NPC's were still kind of entertaining

[Ryzaki]

I have to agree with alot of his lines making him sound like a douche. Even his "I'm not keen on forcing these talks." compared to the rest of the squad is douchy.

[ADLegend21]

Ryzaki wrote...

I have to agree with alot of his lines making him sound like a douche. Even his "I'm not keen on forcing these talks." compared to the rest of the squad is douchy.

let me guess:
"Can it wait a bit, I'min the middle of some calibrations"
"Can it wait a bit, I really need to clean this engine"
"you humans talk to much, like the tank"
"Leave me to my meditations"
"Gathering data, busy, talk later"

aren't douchy? not even Grunt telling shepad they talk too much? He's not comfortable forcing deep talk, so sue him.

[Aeowyn]

Grunt's answer, yes. The others? Not really. They're busy doing work. Eh, apart from Samara.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 31 décembre 2010 - 12:52 .

[leggywillow]

Yeah, his "I have no more conversations" line bugs me.  Grunt's is rude, too, but... well, Grunt is a krogan and also not someone my Sheps are trying to have a romantic relationship with.  Jacob's line comes across as very off-putting.  I guess Garrus stole the calibrating line?

[Aeowyn]

leggywillow wrote...

Yeah, his "I have no more conversations" line bugs me.  Grunt's is rude, too, but... well, Grunt is a krogan and also not someone my Sheps are trying to have a romantic relationship with.  Jacob's line comes across as very off-putting.  I guess Garrus stole the calibrating line?

Honestly, I've avoided talking to him more than once between missions to not get that line, and then when he has no more dialogues for the friendship path it's just a repeat of the "Spill drinks on the Citadel" - line and I don't mind that

[Bourne Endeavor]

I actually found Jacob partially took the bro role from Garrus due to having noticeably more dialogue. It was one of the aspects of his character I fancied. Unfortunately there is no denying his dialogue at times is so horrendous you ponder what in the world Bioware was thinking. Femshep is hilariously worse if you pure Paragon romance good ol' Jacob. Cats in heat are less obvious.



I must query though how, "I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard." can be perceived as rude. His mannerism does not depict annoyance. His merely stating he is not one for a lengthily dialogue and being up front about it.

[ADLegend21]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I must query though how, "I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard." can be perceived as rude. His mannerism does not depict annoyance. His merely stating he is not one for a lengthily dialogue and being up front about it.

This.

[jlb524]

Everyone is just so rude and crazy b/c their dialog tree comes to an end eventually. For shame!

[Aeowyn]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I must query though how, "I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard." can be perceived as rude. His mannerism does not depict annoyance. His merely stating he is not one for a lengthily dialogue and being up front about it.

This.

I think it's more in the tone of his voice when he says it.

[ADLegend21]

Aeowyn wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I must query though how, "I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard." can be perceived as rude. His mannerism does not depict annoyance. His merely stating he is not one for a lengthily dialogue and being up front about it.

This.

I think it's more in the tone of his voice when he says it.

he has a tone??

[Aeowyn]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I must query though how, "I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard." can be perceived as rude. His mannerism does not depict annoyance. His merely stating he is not one for a lengthily dialogue and being up front about it.

This.

I think it's more in the tone of his voice when he says it.

he has a tone??

So you don't think that he sounds a bit stand-offish when he says "Already? I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard"?

Would youtube it, but it's 2.30 AM here.

[legbamel]

MajesticJazz wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
There is a difference between hating someone and simply finding them uninteresting. I don't believe Jacob is hated at all; he's just not appreciated enough because there's nothing too remarkable about him.

Remarkable as in he isn't an Alien? Remarkable as in he doesn't have some crazy Vigilante, Mercenary, or Assassin past?

Jacob Tyler out of the whole crew was the most supportive of Shepard since the very beginning of the game, literally.

snip

I don't hate Jacob but I do hate the way femShep talks to him from the moment they enter the Normandy.  I also wasn't that impressed with his combat skills or his dialog.  I didn't find him interesting or worth the investment of my time.

As for the "forcing these talks" quote, the one time I decided to romance him (just to see what happened) I got this line when I tried to talk to him.  To me, that line came across as equivalent to saying, "Quit hitting on me, ho, I'm busy."  That was likely as much a result of Shep's tone as it was Jacob's, though.

Modifié par legbamel, 31 décembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[Melra]

Jacob was neat bromance. I liked him as long as I didn't let my mind wander and remind me of the ''Sneaking into the captain's quarters...''. I still prefer Kaidan over him, not too sure about Garrus though. That might be pretty close.

[ADLegend21]

Aeowyn wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I must query though how, "I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard." can be perceived as rude. His mannerism does not depict annoyance. His merely stating he is not one for a lengthily dialogue and being up front about it.

This.

I think it's more in the tone of his voice when he says it.

he has a tone??

So you don't think that he sounds a bit stand-offish when he says "Already? I'm not big on forcing these talks, Shepard"?

Would youtube it, but it's 2.30 AM here.

Not really, he only says it if you talk to him more than once in between mission so he's like "already? you just left five minutes ago" and he doens't wanna force a talk, no big deal, it's better than garrus's BS calibrations.

[ReluctantMind]

[/quote]
Not really, he only says it if you talk to him more than once in between mission so he's like "already? you just left five minutes ago" and he doens't wanna force a talk, no big deal, it's better than garrus's BS calibrations.[/quote]

I disagree and my take was that his reaction was quite rude and dismissive.  That just points to the fact that everyone can have a different perception of Jacob's behavior and personality.  It just happens that a lot of people weren't impressed by his behavior/lines/romance/combat abilities or some combination of these.  The responsibility for that has to ultimately fall on Bioware.

[sinosleep]

ADLegend21 wrote...

and there are two other squadmates (three if shepard is a biotc) who use pull. and if that's so bad then cut off squad power usage. not that hard to control your squad

I've NEVER played with powers on.....

Squadmates will cast ammo powers and defensive powers all on their own even if you have squad powers turned off. So yeah, actually, it IS that hard to control your squad and why LotSB was considered a godsend for anyone that liked to bring Jacob along on missions. Cause you could respec him out of barrier and get back to using him for what he's good for.

And there being other squadmates with pull is irrelevant, Jacob not using pull is a weaker version of Grunt. Grunt has an equivalent defensive power, more versatile weapon set (that includes the weapon Jacob uses),far more health, and it regenerates quicker as well. What sets Jacob apart is his utility. He gets pull, while having a USEFUL ammo power EARLY.

Take away pull and you take away his utlity and turn him into a garbage version of Grunt.

Modifié par sinosleep, 31 décembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[leggywillow]

IMO he seems a bit snippy when he says "Already?!" right before "I'm not big on forcing these talks".

Again, I don't really blame Jacob for it.  I think his characterization in ME2 was just sloppily handled.  Maybe it's because they had to write dialogue for 12 squadmates instead of 6, who knows?  I feel like we didn't learn enough about Jacob to understand the cautious way he handles a FemShep romance, so his dialogue feels blunt and rude to me in that particular scenario.

Maybe that's the thing about him that I've never been able to put my finger on.  We just don't learn enough about him to understand his motivations in his dealings with Shepard.  So his reservation and insistence on taking things slow (reflected by the "I'm not big on forcing these talks" line) don't seem to have much context, thus it seems like he's just keeping her at arm's length for no apparent reason.

That would've been the perfect place for the SB dossiers to fill in some background info about his personal life, but instead they just gave us exercise statistics.  <_<  They really didn't do Jacob justice.

[MajesticJazz]

For a character that is supposedly boring and dull, he sure does have a negative following. You would suspect that the dull and boring characters are the characters nobody ever talks about....positive....negative....or humorous....if he is dull and boring then he would be an afterthought when it comes to discussion.



However, that is not the case.