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[ADLegend21]

sinosleep wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

and there are two other squadmates (three if shepard is a biotc) who use pull. and if that's so bad then cut off squad power usage. not that hard to control your squad

I've NEVER played with powers on.....

Squadmates will cast ammo powers and defensive powers all on their own even if you have squad powers turned off. So yeah, actually, it IS that hard to control your squad and why LotSB was considered a godsend for anyone that liked to bring Jacob along on missions. Cause you could respec him out of barrier and get back to using him for what he's good for.

And there being other squadmates with pull is irrelevant, Jacob not using pull is a weaker version of Grunt. Grunt has an equivalent defensive power, more versatile weapon set (that includes the weapon Jacob uses),far more health, and it regenerates quicker as well. What sets Jacob apart is his utility. He gets pull, while having a USEFUL ammo power EARLY.

Take away pull and you take away his utlity and turn him into a garbage version of Grunt.

put squand incideary on Jacob and bring him on insanity (everonye even varren has armor and some enemies have shields) He extremly useful along with the passive talent to up his weapon damage, he snipes with the GPS that's alot more useful than what Grunt can do with it I'll tell you that. Grunt isn't all that special either, for a pure krogan he sure does get whipped like a quarian (no offense Tali, you actually stay in cover)Also he doesn't jstu ahve generic concussive shot like damn near half the squad. anddid oy ever think of actually fully upgrading barrier since it's much more powerful lasts longer so he doesn't use it as often?

[lazuli]

ADLegend21 wrote...

put squand incideary on Jacob and bring him on insanity (everonye even varren has armor and some enemies have shields) He extremly useful along with the passive talent to up his weapon damage, he snipes with the GPS that's alot more useful than what Grunt can do with it I'll tell you that. Grunt isn't all that special either, for a pure krogan he sure does get whipped like a quarian (no offense Tali, you actually stay in cover)Also he doesn't jstu ahve generic concussive shot like damn near half the squad. anddid oy ever think of actually fully upgrading barrier since it's much more powerful lasts longer so he doesn't use it as often?

As far as anyone has determined, it seems that squadmate behavior depends on the weapon type they are using, and nothing beyond that.  So Jacob with a GPS will act the same as Grunt with a GPS in terms of positioning and attacking.

Barrier gets ripped right off of Jacob on Insanity if he is under any sort of fire.  You can swear by its effectiveness, and that's fine.  We are certainly entitled to play the game in different ways and certain strategies will fit different playstyles better than others.  I just find his Pull Field to be more useful than the touch-and-go survivability increase that Barrier grants him.  And, as sinosleep pointed out, you can't really have both Barrier and Pull.  No matter the squadmate power usage settings, Jacob will spam Barrier to his heart's content.

[sinosleep]

I've noticed no difference between squadmates with regards to accuracy. They ALL shoot lights out seemingly regardless of weapon, I'm afraid the game's AI isn't nearly as complex as you think it is. The only differences I've noticed depend on what weapon the characters are wielding. Shotgun toating squadmates will charge into close range and get themselves killed in no time flat unless you position them, snipers tend to hang back, and smg/AR wielding squadmates switch between hanging back and occasionally charging like their shotgun wielding friends.

With regards to fully upgrading Jacob's barrier doesn't make much difference, especially not on insanity where defenses get blasted away in no time flat and the INSTANT he's off CD he's sure to cast it again since his barrier is sure to have been shot off.

And at the end of the day it doesn't matter any way. Concussive shot being worthless has no bearing on Grunt being a better tank than Jacob is, it's just another power you can't use because Grunt is busy casting Fortification all day. Just as you can't use pull cause Jacob is too busy casting barrier all day. The big difference being that with Grunt it doesn't matter that he's casting fortification all day. In fact, it's a GOOD thing he's casting fortification all day since Grunt ISN'T a utility character. He's a tank, with the same squad inferno as Jacob, the same defensive power as Jacob (fortification and barrier do the same exact thing), but with more health that regenerates at a quicker rate than Jacob.

Jacob is only better to bring along if he can use pull, which he can't do if you have any points in barrier.

[edit here] Lazuli beat me to it with regards to squad AI. Guess you got your reply in while I was typing.

Modifié par sinosleep, 31 décembre 2010 - 05:52 .

[ADLegend21]

If you guys says so,looks like this comes down to how we all use our squads Jacob is still a useful squadmate reagardless of what points go where and how often he uses his powers which isn't really that often if squad power usage is OFF when I have to make him use it so they get used. Grunt isn't all that special either except to be used as a diversion outside of his loyalty mission where he can charge at whatever moves and defy cover commands.

Edit: Still doesn't make him any worse of a character if he has similar powers to another squaddie (staying on topic)

Modifié par ADLegend21, 31 décembre 2010 - 06:22 .

[ReiSilver]

I actually really liked Jacob right up until we got on the Normandy. I liked him during the tutorial level, he was cool headed, competent and came across as having shep's best interest at heart. His willingness to be your buddy was a good contrast to Miranda.

Then you hit the Normandy and... oh boy.

I had no intention of romancing him on my first play through since I'd had my eyes on Garrus since ME1 but I really liked the idea of being BFF with Jacob... only to feel like Shepard is sexually harassing him every time I try to have a FRIENDLY talk and now Jacob's buddy-buddy personality changes to "What? You want to ask me questions? Back off!". Thus I didn't get to know Jacob and switched him out with characters I could talk to in the squad and he just... faded into the background.

If they'd just stuck with his initial personality and not have fem-shep purr every line of dialogue at him I might have gotten more attached.

Also while it's nice that Kasumi at least appreciates him am I the only one a little weirded out that the only new thing we learn about Jacob in SB or from Kasumi is 'isn't he hot? *drool*' These are the same people that got women to fangirl over a Turian through his personality and voice, yet all they're giving Jacob is abbs *face palm* I don't know, maybe I just find it more jarring because beef-cake doesn't appeal to me at all.

[Siansonea]

I like Jacob okay, he's not my favorite character, but I don't hate him. I think he could have been better. Especially if following his tactical advice was a good idea in the game. Unfortunately he gets saddled with making suggestions to Shepard that result in less-than-ideal outcomes if followed. He also talks smack about Thane, which is just petty, and acts rather oafish about Legion as well. Dude does NOT see the big picture. He's a good guy, somebody you'd want by your side in a fight, but not somebody you'd want leading the charge.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 31 décembre 2010 - 07:31 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Siansonea II wrote...

I like Jacob okay, he's not my favorite character, but I don't hate him. I think he could have been better. Especially if following his tactical advice was a good idea in the game. Unfortunately he gets saddled with making suggestions to Shepard that result in less-than-ideal outcomes if followed. He also talks smack about Thane, which is just petty, and acts rather oafish about Legion as well. Dude does NOT see the big picture. He's a good guy, somebody you'd want by your side in a fight, but not somebody you'd want leading the charge.

Dang, that's what I was going to say. LOLZ

[Aurica]

I have no love or hate for Jacob.  I do find it disturbing about the lines written for Femshep when interacting with Jacob.  "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit"  The way it was voiced sounds like she is trying very hard to be flirtatious even though my Shepard in character had no intention of flirting with Jacob.

Modifié par Aurica, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:08 .

[Aeowyn]

Siansonea II wrote...

I like Jacob okay, he's not my favorite character, but I don't hate him. I think he could have been better. Especially if following his tactical advice was a good idea in the game. Unfortunately he gets saddled with making suggestions to Shepard that result in less-than-ideal outcomes if followed. He also talks smack about Thane, which is just petty, and acts rather oafish about Legion as well. Dude does NOT see the big picture. He's a good guy, somebody you'd want by your side in a fight, but not somebody you'd want leading the charge.

Well he was on Eden Prime during the Geth attack from what I understand, so it's kind of understandable if he holds no love for the geth.

[mineralica]

Anyone cares to explain why should I like him? Because what I see so far:

1) okay, Jacob is a good guy which left bad careless Alliance to join... terroristic group. Typical behaviour for good guy, yeah.

2) guy running around in spandex isn't very appealing, as for me. Hexagonal pattern and ass shots can't help.

3) I usually talk to everyone after any major mission and usually paragon when talking to crew, but when femShep is climbing on table and starts to purr...

4) and his "have nothing to discuss now" line isn't much better. And don't even tell me this happens only if Shep attempts to talk twice after one mission - Jacob hasn't got much more dialogues than infamous Garrus with "calibrations".

5) I've played on something easier than Hardcore only once, so good luck with pull. For other qualities Grunt is better (but I don't like Grunt either).

6) I agree that squadmates should have own opinion about the situation, but Jacob does it wrong. Let's compare: Alistair have questions about Zevran (and Sten. And even Leliana) and Jacob have questions about Thane. The differences are that Zev actually attempted to kill you and joined the squad on unclear motives while Thane shown himself before Shep and talked. To make matters worse, Alistair discusses this in private, so doesn't argues with your opinion in front of everyone and doesn't try to insult named people, while Jacob seems to not care about the morale and voices his clearly negative thoughts without thinking twice. Bravo.

7) for "have drinks and relax" I have Dr. Chakwas, for "reasonable person I don't need to fix" - Kaidan.

8) I'm a fangirl of dark-skinned bisexual (omg) elf (omg!) but can't get along with almost normal straight guy.

9) his tactical advices (space Legion, let him in the vents) would end up bad if come true.

10) and the latest. Romance lines. But the priiize

[Merchant2006]

There's a heavy risk in posting this comment for the nth time, but the priiiiiiize.

[sinosleep]

mineralica wrote...

5) I've played on something easier than Hardcore only once, so good luck with pull. For other qualities Grunt is better (but I don't like Grunt either).

Pull is PLENTY useful on insanity. Not only are there tons of instant single target and aoe defense strippers, but contrary to popular belief, it does NOT take a hail of gunfire to destroy defenses on insanity.

[MajesticJazz]

Siansonea II wrote...

I like Jacob okay, he's not my favorite character, but I don't hate him. I think he could have been better. Especially if following his tactical advice was a good idea in the game. Unfortunately he gets saddled with making suggestions to Shepard that result in less-than-ideal outcomes if followed. He also talks smack about Thane, which is just petty, and acts rather oafish about Legion as well. Dude does NOT see the big picture. He's a good guy, somebody you'd want by your side in a fight, but not somebody you'd want leading the charge.

So I guess Jacob is the ONLY squad member who does not see the big picture?

Heh, why am I even trying? I should just accept the general culture of the videogame industry and move along. Nothing will ever change.

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[mineralica]

sinosleep wrote...

mineralica wrote...

5) I've played on something easier than Hardcore only once, so good luck with pull. For other qualities Grunt is better (but I don't like Grunt either).

Pull is PLENTY useful on insanity. Not only are there tons of instant single target and aoe defense strippers, but contrary to popular belief, it does NOT take a hail of gunfire to destroy defenses on insanity.

Awesome vid, thanks. I understood this was my personal insanity to not use not vanilla items on insanity, so compared with task to take down defense killing the enemy who left only with red stripe seemed to be rather easy to me - no matter who's in party. Anyway, point taken, thanks for link.

[Aeowyn]

Mezzil wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Mezzil wrote...

Before the game came out, there was boys that hated him because it was hinted that Miranda and Jacob are/ were in a relationship. They said they were going to kill him if this was true.

Some girls hated him because they thought he'd take their chance away to have sex with an alien. Before DAO and ME2, there was only ever one male LI.

Exactly!

Before ME2 came out, it was suggested that Jacob would be the only human LI for female Shepards. For whatever reasons I do not know, a lot of people (female AND male) did not like that he was the only human male LI. With this, there was dicussion about how they will kill Jacob off for reason this and reason that. And I am thinking to myself "Did Kaiden ever recieve this hate when gamers found out that he was the only human option for female shepard's?" And the answer to that is, no, I can never remember Kaiden pre-ME1 ever getting banter like Jacob. I can never remember females (and even males) back at the old forums saying that Bioware is neglecting the female player by not having more human male options besides Kaiden.

Kaiden is boring to, but nobody jokes about him.
Kaiden is weak in combat combared to the rest of the ME1 squad, but nobody jokes about him.

I did see in the Thane/Garrus fan threads prior to ME2's release some irrational hate for Kaidan. The only way it made any sense was Kaidan was the love interest and not Garrus. This then carried on to Jacob too because they thought the same thing would happen again.

They still seem to be bitter about it because Liara, Kaidan and Ashley are now in a better postion for not being on the ME2 sucide squad.

To be fair I've seen the exact opposite. There is hate and bitterness on both sides.

[legbamel]

I've seen plenty of character dislike on all sides, TBH.  A lot of people say Kaidan is boring (I happen to disagree, he's just behaving like a grown-up instead of a star-struck teen like Tali and Liara) and a lot of people say Jacob is a really great friend character.  A lot of folks hate Thane for talking about his dead wife and Garrus for...I don't know, actually.  I don't think I've seen much Garrus abuse.  But Some people find Liara creepy and Tali immature, Ashley "racist" and Kaidan whiny.  I think it very much depends on the individual player, both their personality and the Shep they RP.

In ME1 you only got two LI choices: Ash/Kaidan or Liara.  Perhaps people assumed that the same would hold true in ME2, with one of them being taken up by an over-developed guy in a catsuit and presumably the other being either bi or non-gendered like Liara.  I loved seeing more diversity in the romance options (though I would have loved Donnelly to have been kept as a choice :happy:).

[Sorrel]

I don't like Jacob because of how easy it is for him to shut down and not talk to your Shepard at all. It's like everybody else can accept Shepard as this kind of benign, curious entity, but Jacob is really rude about it when he tells Shepard to back off. It's not the fact that he doesn't want to spill his beans to his commanding officer, it's the way in which he does it.



Jacob has redeeming points about him as a character, but as a LI I found him distinctly lacking. The priiize just really isn't compelling. I don't mind the things Jacob has to say as my Chief of Security, it's just the fact that in order to forge any kind of connection with him at all you basically need to straight up be a little sex-kitten. Like dude, I just want to know a little bit about you, okay? And as your CO, you've implied you've had relations with Miranda. I want to know this isn't going to bungle up the mission and it might help me to understand the situation a bit. OKAY? OKAY. THANKS.



... /rant

[Unit-Alpha]

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

Jacob sucks at combat.

When your idea of "the good stuff" is Pull, then you suck.

Haha, QFT. Give him sigularity, stasis, or warp, maybe. But PULL...hahaha. No.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 31 décembre 2010 - 07:16 .

[jasonsantanna]

Well I for one don't hate Jacob , it's the way BW wrote the character and the set of powers they gave him , to me he seem to be a more interesting person in ME Galaxy ,

Power wise you have better choices to pick from to tackle missions, I think he should

Have been a sentinel , but I guess Mirada had that covered .

-f I'm not mistaken he was similar to Garrus in MEG , but after coming into contact with ezzo he became a biotic which IMHO he should be a sentinel .

As far as his personality he is similar to Garrus , but more discipline and military , while

Garrus is more of a hothead or renegade , had the loyalty missions been switched

Between Garrus n Jacob , everyone would be more in favor of Jacob as a squad member for his bad as tactics, IMO

[Addai]

I've beaten ME1 and 2 but am pretty new to the fandom. I wouldn't say I hate Jacob, but I didn't like how it seemed like the game forced him on you. Not only the fact that with almost every conversation choice, Shepard sounded like she was about to rip her clothes off and lay back on the weapons table. Also he's in every single post-recruitment chat. I figure there's no way around that and it's because he's Cerberus, but I'm pretty sure that he is not the opinion my femShep cares to hear every time.

I did like the spilling drinks talk, that redeemed the character for me.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 janvier 2011 - 01:05 .

[Sandbox47]

The main reason I really hate Jacob (though I was willing to give him a chance during my first ME2 playthroug) is because he resembles Kaidan so badly.

Also, my femshep (and the guy Shepard as well) stand very seductivelly in front of him every time they talk.

But I'm not sure what the topic maker wants here. If he wants me to say that we're all racist, fine. I can live with that as long as I don't have to make Jacob live through suicide mission. Unfortunately I don't have the excuse of "I've got many black friends" so, hehe... I don't have my christian friends either, but I'm not an antichrist.

[Bootsykk]

Merchant2006 wrote...

There's a heavy risk in posting this comment for the nth time, but the priiiiiiize.

I am just quoting this to say that for the first time seeing a "dat" picture, I laughed my ass off.

anywho. WALLOFTEXTTIEMS

I think the whole "he was a *insert name-calling here* who had bad
pick-up lines and was stupid" is a little more than frustrating. I
really don't know what point you were trying to make OP so don't mind if
I just comment on "jacob hate".

He wasn't my favorite character,
certainly, but it seems like there weren't many people who actually
paid attention to what he was saying, more of the fact that fem!shep was
using the creepy seduction voice (that she uses in all romances...)
without them wanting to. Sure, Jacob had some one-liners that really
made you want to cringe from the second-hand embarassment, but I thought
it was an interesting character flaw.

I mean, how bad could he
be? He didn't want to have a one-night stand. He at first pushed Shepard
away as opposed to flirting back. He was shy. He actually bothered to
ask Shepard how SHE was doing, as opposed to
just talking about himself... which was the one BIG problem in the
romance that, ironically, everyone ignored--he avoided talking about anything personal.


EDIT: ....well, not sure why, but it appears I have written a sonnet of sorts. Formatting: how odd. My apologies...

Modifié par Juneya, 01 janvier 2011 - 08:03 .

[mineralica]

Juneya wrote...
[...] fem!shep was
using the creepy seduction voice (that she uses in all romances...) [...]

In all? All vids are not mine but morning search at YouTube shows this for Jacob, this for Garrus and this for Thane. Same voice? Same poses? Really?

He was shy.

I'd rather call this as "was shy". Jacob didn't expect Shepard became interested, which may counts as "shy"... but this damned "She deserves a better man" kills all mood.

He actually bothered to ask Shepard how SHE was doing, as opposed to just talking about himself... which was the one BIG problem in the romance that, ironically, everyone ignored--he avoided talking about anything personal.

I must confess - I haven't another willpower to reach those lines about "how Shepard is doing" through "On the table. Now" looking dialogues. Few humans have. Plus, now we have Liara in LotSB asking about how Shepard feeling.

[ADLegend21]

jasonsantanna wrote...

 had the loyalty missions been switched
Between Garrus n Jacob , everyone would be more in favor of Jacob as a squad member for his bad ass tactics, IMO

Agreed, if Jacob's mission was getting revenge on someone Everyone owuld have loved him, but whiney Garrus gets revenge and let's throw Femsheps at him.