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All of this Jacob hate is starting to play itself out....


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ADLegend21 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

 had the loyalty missions been switched
Between Garrus n Jacob , everyone would be more in favor of Jacob as a squad member for his bad ass tactics, IMO

Agreed, if Jacob's mission was getting revenge on someone Everyone owuld have loved him, but whiney Garrus gets revenge and let's throw Femsheps at him.Image IPB


Hey now :P

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yukidama wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

 had the loyalty missions been switched
Between Garrus n Jacob , everyone would be more in favor of Jacob as a squad member for his bad ass tactics, IMO

Agreed, if Jacob's mission was getting revenge on someone Everyone owuld have loved him, but whiney Garrus gets revenge and let's throw Femsheps at him.Image IPB


Hey now :P

haha I like Garrus, but seriously if he mentions his team on Omega one more time, all my sheps will tak ehim up on the chance to knock him on his ass.Image IPB

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I guess I don't have a problem with that, especially considering how my favorite DAO character is Alistair, lmao. Some people deal with grief in different ways, I don't hold it against them or think they're whining.



As for Jacob, I do dislike the tone Shepard uses when she speaks with him (especially when your character has no interest in him), but his romance is actually really nice. Sure there are a lot of cheesy lines but he's not as awful as he's made out to be.

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yukidama wrote...

I guess I don't have a problem with that, especially considering how my favorite DAO character is Alistair, lmao. Some people deal with grief in different ways, I don't hold it against them or think they're whining.

As for Jacob, I do dislike the tone Shepard uses when she speaks with him (especially when your character has no interest in him), but his romance is actually really nice. Sure there are a lot of cheesy lines but he's not as awful as he's made out to be.

Yeah, I'm surprised no one mentions that when they mention Hale's performance, it's not like someone else voiced femsheps talks with Jacob. I'd ask her about that if I interviewed her XD Poor Jacob, he's probably like.
"why do I get the feeling, I'm about to be pounced on?"Image IPB

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ADLegend21 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I guess I don't have a problem with that, especially considering how my favorite DAO character is Alistair, lmao. Some people deal with grief in different ways, I don't hold it against them or think they're whining.

As for Jacob, I do dislike the tone Shepard uses when she speaks with him (especially when your character has no interest in him), but his romance is actually really nice. Sure there are a lot of cheesy lines but he's not as awful as he's made out to be.

Yeah, I'm surprised no one mentions that when they mention Hale's performance, it's not like someone else voiced femsheps talks with Jacob. I'd ask her about that if I interviewed her XD Poor Jacob, he's probably like.
"why do I get the feeling, I'm about to be pounced on?"Image IPB


Reminds me of this song made from femShep's romance lines (mostly Jacob's). HILARIOUS.
EDI needs to tell Shepard the regs on sexual harrassment in the workplace :x

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yukidama wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I guess I don't have a problem with that, especially considering how my favorite DAO character is Alistair, lmao. Some people deal with grief in different ways, I don't hold it against them or think they're whining.

As for Jacob, I do dislike the tone Shepard uses when she speaks with him (especially when your character has no interest in him), but his romance is actually really nice. Sure there are a lot of cheesy lines but he's not as awful as he's made out to be.

Yeah, I'm surprised no one mentions that when they mention Hale's performance, it's not like someone else voiced femsheps talks with Jacob. I'd ask her about that if I interviewed her XD Poor Jacob, he's probably like.
"why do I get the feeling, I'm about to be pounced on?"Image IPB


Reminds me of this song made from femShep's romance lines (mostly Jacob's). HILARIOUS.
EDI needs to tell Shepard the regs on sexual harrassment in the workplace :x

Shep: but...look at his abs. I could grate cheese on them!

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Juneya wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

There's a heavy risk in posting this comment for the nth time, but the priiiiiiize.


I am just quoting this to say that for the first time seeing a "dat" picture, I laughed my ass off. :D

anywho. WALLOFTEXTTIEMS

I think the whole "he was a *insert name-calling here* who had bad
pick-up lines and was stupid" is a little more than frustrating. I
really don't know what point you were trying to make OP so don't mind if
I just comment on "jacob hate".

He wasn't my favorite character,
certainly, but it seems like there weren't many people who actually
paid attention to what he was saying, more of the fact that fem!shep was
using the creepy seduction voice (that she uses in all romances...)
without them wanting to. Sure, Jacob had some one-liners that really
made you want to cringe from the second-hand embarassment, but I thought
it was an interesting character flaw.

I mean, how bad could he
be? He didn't want to have a one-night stand. He at first pushed Shepard
away as opposed to flirting back. He was shy. He actually bothered to
ask Shepard how SHE was doing, as opposed to
just talking about himself... which was the one BIG problem in the
romance that, ironically, everyone ignored--he avoided talking about anything personal.


EDIT: ....well, not sure why, but it appears I have written a sonnet of sorts. Formatting: how odd. My apologies...


You actually made some really good points though, surprised no one has responded.

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I like Kanye We- I mean Jacob! :D

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Sandbox47 wrote...

The main reason I really hate Jacob (though I was willing to give him a chance during my first ME2 playthroug) is because he resembles Kaidan so badly.


I disagree.  Everyone always compares the 2, but they really don't strike me as being that similar.  I guess it's because Kaidan is a fairly subtle character.  I know the Kaidan thread has had a lot of very good discussions on this point that I can't even begin to recreate, but if you just take Kaidan at face value and move on, you aren't going to really get him.

Yes, Kaidan and Jacob both fill the role of "human biotic who doesn't have emotional problems that need fixing" but beyond that they aren't twin characters or anything.  They just aren't, and this comparison always bothers me.  I do concede that they are meant to fill the same role in the squad, but as far as their character goes... they're aren't particularly alike.  Argh, I wish a Kaidanite would come save me with some better points.

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yukidama wrote...

Reminds me of this song made from femShep's romance lines (mostly Jacob's). HILARIOUS.
EDI needs to tell Shepard the regs on sexual harrassment in the workplace :x

LOL  That's pretty funny.

Poor EDI has to overhear all this crap.  She'd probably feed the info to Mordin to do the sexual harrassment training.

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Oh god those femshep lines. *leans back all seductively* "I'd more interested in just talking for a bit"

First time that happened Moondoggies face was something like O_O

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Moondoggie wrote...

Oh god those femshep lines. *leans back all seductively* "I'd more interested in just talking for a bit"
First time that happened Moondoggies face was something like O_O

Shepard always leans back when talking to Jacob regardless of Gender, the same way he says that same line about Miranda needing a better man than him which femshep playes take as offensive when it's canned for every Shepard not just femshep.Image IPB

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Oh god those femshep lines. *leans back all seductively* "I'd more interested in just talking for a bit"
First time that happened Moondoggies face was something like O_O

Shepard always leans back when talking to Jacob regardless of Gender, the same way he says that same line about Miranda needing a better man than him which femshep playes take as offensive when it's canned for every Shepard not just femshep.Image IPB

Yeah but combine the lean with the seductive tone of voice and it does have different meaning.  Compare her approach to other characters.  With Garrus, she's just standing there and says "have you got a minute?"  With Grunt, she's standing normally and says "just checking in."  Even without the "I want you" tone, it just seems too informal for a ship commander, whereas the others are more appropriate.

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Addai67 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Oh god those femshep lines. *leans back all seductively* "I'd more interested in just talking for a bit"
First time that happened Moondoggies face was something like O_O

Shepard always leans back when talking to Jacob regardless of Gender, the same way he says that same line about Miranda needing a better man than him which femshep playes take as offensive when it's canned for every Shepard not just femshep.Image IPB

Yeah but combine the lean with the seductive tone of voice and it does have different meaning.  Compare her approach to other characters.  With Garrus, she's just standing there and says "have you got a minute?"  With Grunt, she's standing normally and says "just checking in."  Even without the "I want you" tone, it just seems too informal for a ship commander, whereas the others are more appropriate.

It's a civilian ship, Shepard tells Joker this because Sheps' suprised he's wearing pants. No need to be formal on a civilian ship.Image IPB

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Sure, but she's professional with everyone else, even her old crew.

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Addai67 wrote...

Sure, but she's professional with everyone else, even her old crew.

you're kidding right? she's professional with Kelly if you take the "i don't need an assitant" dialouge choice with her but that's about it. No one salutes (except Miranda before the SM if you don't have an LI on the ship.) so that's not professional.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sure, but she's professional with everyone else, even her old crew.

you're kidding right? she's professional with Kelly if you take the "i don't need an assitant" dialouge choice with her but that's about it. No one salutes (except Miranda before the SM if you don't have an LI on the ship.) so that's not professional.

Saluting= military protocol.  Not what I'm talking about.

Dunno about Kelly, I told Chipper off in the first conversation and any time she got too cute afterward, so.  LOL

The contrast with Jacob to others was just annoying because it felt like one more way the game was forcing you into a role with him, either bestest buddy (if you were lucky and stuck to completely neutral options) or full-on seductress.

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I like Jacob, I just don't like the way the voice directors and writers had Hale respond to his lines like Shep was ready for mating season. I did expect camaraderie when I first popped in ME2, with both being soldiers, but as soon as I heard "I'm more interested in talking for a bit." I cringed hard. And because of that specifically, I stayed away from talking with him simply because I couldn't stand how they had Hale talk to him.

He's an all-around good character. Don't know about his romance though, as I still have to try Kaiden's and Thanes.

I'm actually trying to get through his dialogue tree at the moment though without romancing him. But Hale's voice is really making it difficult.:sick:

Modifié par TripLight, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:31 .


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Addai67 wrote...

Saluting= military protocol.  Not what I'm talking about.

Dunno about Kelly, I told Chipper off in the first conversation and any time she got too cute afterward, so.  LOL

The contrast with Jacob to others was just annoying because it felt like one more way the game was forcing you into a role with him, either bestest buddy (if you were lucky and stuck to completely neutral options) or full-on seductress.

yeah the contrast is kinda bad but don't make it seem like Shepard doens't get friendly with other squadmates and only gets that way with Jacob.Image IPB

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MajesticJazz wrote...
I remember literally a few months before ME2 came out and how people were quick to point out that they aren't romancing Jacob or some other crazy stuff.

That's not crazy.  I had determined long before ME2 came out that my FemShep wouldn't be romancing anyone but Kaidan - and, thus, not Jacob (regardless of how interesting he might have turned out to be).  As it happened, though, it was only difficult to maintain this resolution when confronted with the awesomeness of Thane and Garrus.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

yeah the contrast is kinda bad but don't make it seem like Shepard doens't get friendly with other squadmates and only gets that way with Jacob.Image IPB

All I can say is that I didn't see that with anyone else.  And I was frustrated when even the renegade responses ended up being pickup lines.

I wonder if the in-your-faceness is because there will be a future story line with Cerberus where Jacob will play a role.  I thought he was a little too out there with the "I don't trust Cerberus" stuff, like he and Miranda were playing good cop- bad cop prescribed roles.  If I had had more of a free hand, I would have played it that Shepard was cool towards all the Cerberus ops.

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Addai67 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

yeah the contrast is kinda bad but don't make it seem like Shepard doens't get friendly with other squadmates and only gets that way with Jacob.Image IPB

All I can say is that I didn't see that with anyone else.  And I was frustrated when even the renegade responses ended up being pickup lines.

I wonder if the in-your-faceness is because there will be a future story line with Cerberus where Jacob will play a role.  I thought he was a little too out there with the "I don't trust Cerberus" stuff, like he and Miranda were playing good cop- bad cop prescribed roles.  If I had had more of a free hand, I would have played it that Shepard was cool towards all the Cerberus ops.


Ditto.  I am finding it particularly frustrating after just rerunning ME1 and redoing all those Cerberus related side missions.  Given the choice my shep would shoot the pair of them out an airlock and get on with chasing the collectors :whistle:

The romance angle is odd to me if you think about the timelines.  Shep was dead for 2 years but to her she just woke up.  The Normandy blowing was yesterday to her so was the last time she was with her LI (if she had one).    Mine is still involved with the ME1 LI - why would she want a new one after such a short time?

This made the way she interacts with Jacob even more annoying (yes I know its a coding fault but it was still annoying).

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About the Fem!Shep lines: I always thought it was just a mistake in programming. Shepard has a very normal line after Jacob's loyalty mission with a much less seductive tone. I always figured that was the line that was supposed to be used for friendly conversation, with the seductive one only appearing after a romance was initiated.

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Addai67 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

yeah the contrast is kinda bad but don't make it seem like Shepard doens't get friendly with other squadmates and only gets that way with Jacob.Image IPB

All I can say is that I didn't see that with anyone else.  And I was frustrated when even the renegade responses ended up being pickup lines.

I wonder if the in-your-faceness is because there will be a future story line with Cerberus where Jacob will play a role.  I thought he was a little too out there with the "I don't trust Cerberus" stuff, like he and Miranda were playing good cop- bad cop prescribed roles.  If I had had more of a free hand, I would have played it that Shepard was cool towards all the Cerberus ops.


Well personally I found all of the Cerberus crew, except for Miranda, were really just... a poor presentation of Cerberus. Half of them didn't even know much about Cerberus at all. It just felt like a joke. But that's a discussion for another time.

I've managed to stop cringing every time my Shepard speaks to Jacob and can actually see him as a good friend. But like I mentioned before, I want more friendship dialoue with him. And less spandex please. And yes, that includes Miranda as well.

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ROD525 wrote...

How can you not love a character who gives you a Bro hug and wants to get loud and spill drinks on the citadel after the mission? Jacob is a true G.


this.