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[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...
This.

ME 3 desperately needs more RPG elements. And I´m not talking about dialogues and decisions.

Which part about upgrading your weapon or stealth missions is bad?

There is limited time for development of a game, especially when company is under the rEApers. I´d rather see Bioware to working more on RPG elements then shooter ones.

edit- title of thread is indeed misleading. i say yes to some stealth mission and customization of weapons.

Modifié par Babli, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:50 .

[Pyrate_d]

I'd rather see more shooter elements personally

[slimgrin]

OP really needs to change title to 'wanting more customization and stealth in ME3'.

In other words, he wants more RPG elements.

Modifié par slimgrin, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:50 .

[Bamboozalist]

Babli wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...
This.

ME 3 desperately needs more RPG elements. And I´m not talking about dialogues and decisions.

Which part about upgrading your weapon or stealth missions is bad?

There is limited time for development of a game, especially when company is under the rEApers. I´d rather see Bioware to working more on RPG elements then shooter ones.

Except those aren't shooter elements, they're RPG ones. Also what do you mean by RPG elements? Make it so we have 30 skills and only 4 useful ones? Make it so there is one set of super weapons and armor that everyone always ends up using so everyone characters always look exactly the same?

Or do you mean, more customization and ability for the player to play the character the way they want to and not the way they are forced to? Because that's pretty much what the OP wants.

[JamieCOTC]

I wouldn't mind a bit of refinement in the shooter aspects of the game and the OP does make some very good points about customization. I'd love such a system as long as it didn't take away resources from story, dialogue, animations, etc.

[Pyrate_d]

I'd like a kill cam, and the ability to throw grenades back. Also, a first person view would be nice.

[Dune01]

TheMiroHa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Babli wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

No. Go play GR.

-Polite

This.

ME 3 desperately needs more RPG elements. And I´m not talking about dialogues and decisions.

Agreed. Lots of shooters out there. ME3 doesn't need to be a pure shooter.

For Christ's sake, read OP's post before you reply!

Well said MiroHa.

[Pacifien]

You know, the thread title would definitely be characteristic of someone specifically trolling for responses, but in this case, I don't care as it perfectly captures why I dislike the RPG vs. Shooter debate to begin with. All someone needs to do is label something as a Shooter element, and then it doesn't matter if it improves the gameplay in the slightest or even if it crosses over into also being an RPG element, people who feel they dislike Shooters will dismiss the idea.

What the original poster proposed is something that is found in good shooter games and good RPGs. It is simply a good gameplay element to have regardless of what sort of label you want to put on the game.

In conclusion, genre labels suck. Genre traditionalists bore me. It's like purebred versus mutt -- everyone thinks the purebred is so pretty but he's been inbred to within one genetic mutation from extinction, which is why the mutt is just better. Hybrids are the way to go. Unless they're are Priuses, which suck. In my opinion. Which I admit took an unfortunate turn in this last paragraph into some other realm not rooted in reality.

[Pacifien]

slimgrin wrote...
OP really needs to change title to 'wanting more customization and stealth in ME3'.

In other words, he wants more RPG elements.

No, actually, weapon customization and stealth tactics are a legitimate gameplay element of shooter games as well.

[slimgrin]

Pacifien wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
OP really needs to change title to 'wanting more customization and stealth in ME3'.

In other words, he wants more RPG elements.

No, actually, weapon customization and stealth tactics are a legitimate gameplay element of shooter games as well.

Then you can educate me here. Which genre did it first? Who did the borrowing?

[darknoon5]

slimgrin wrote...

OP really needs to change title to 'wanting more customization and stealth in ME3'.

In other words, he wants more RPG elements.

No, you just need to read the thread before replying...

[Pacifien]

How about it just being a gameplay element? A means to an end? Why does it have to belong to a genre? Who says genres even evolve completely independently of each other?

[Phaedon]

Pacifien wrote...
In conclusion, genre labels suck.

But you just labeled genre labels! Nah just kidding, I agree with you.

[SalsaDMA]

I agree with the OP.



And I find this thread a hilarious exercise in the study of human psycology with all the people eplaying without eadin what they are relpying to

[Bamboozalist]

Pacifien wrote...

No, actually, weapon customization and stealth tactics are a legitimate gameplay element of shooter games as well.

Technically speaking the only element of gameplay to a shooter game is the ability to shoot stuff, any customization in a shooter game is not a shooter element, the ability to customize situations and approach situations from multiple angles are and will always be a role playing element. It's been that way since pen and paper RPGs.

They're just now associated with shooter games because of the mash of hybrid games that the modern market is made up of as people don't want to play traditional RPGs because well lets be honest the strongest part of most traditional RPGs is the story and characters and the weakest part is the gameplay.

A shooter where you can customize your gear is not a pure shooter, DOOM is the perfect example of a pure shooter game, modern TPS and FPS are hybrids.

Edit @ Slim: RPGs LONG before shooters. Kicking it old school 1974 style.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 30 décembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[bcooper56]

No



they already said there trying to add some rpg elements fans missed



dont **** this up

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Pacifien wrote...

You know, the thread title would definitely be characteristic of someone specifically trolling for responses, but in this case, I don't care as it perfectly captures why I dislike the RPG vs. Shooter debate to begin with. All someone needs to do is label something as a Shooter element, and then it doesn't matter if it improves the gameplay in the slightest or even if it crosses over into also being an RPG element, people who feel they dislike Shooters will dismiss the idea.

What the original poster proposed is something that is found in good shooter games and good RPGs. It is simply a good gameplay element to have regardless of what sort of label you want to put on the game.

In conclusion, genre labels suck. Genre traditionalists bore me. It's like purebred versus mutt -- everyone thinks the purebred is so pretty but he's been inbred to within one genetic mutation from extinction, which is why the mutt is just better. Hybrids are the way to go. Unless they're are Priuses, which suck. In my opinion. Which I admit took an unfortunate turn in this last paragraph into some other realm not rooted in reality.

QFT

Also something that I think needs pointing out to Babil

"Ahh yes... *airquotes* rEApers *close airquotes* we've dismissed those claims"

I wonder how many more times it needs to be pointed out how the CEO of Bioware is a Senior VP of EA before some people get the message that EA ain't changing anything of Bioware?

Personally I think the title should stay as it is so we can see just how many people don't actually bother reading posts before making responses.

[slimgrin]

Lol. Thousand apologies folks. You can get off your high horses now.

I'll admit to having a knee-jerk reaction to certain titles...like

"Will ME3 utilize Kinect?"

"Will ME3 be an MMO?"

"Will ME3 give me more chest hair?"

Modifié par slimgrin, 30 décembre 2010 - 06:09 .

[Phaedon]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
QFT

Also something that I think needs pointing out to Babil

"Ahh yes... *airquotes* rEApers *close airquotes* we've dismissed those claims"

I wonder how many more times it needs to be pointed out how the CEO of Bioware is a Senior VP of EA before some people get the message that EA ain't changing anything of Bioware?

Personally I think the title should stay as it is so we can see just how many people don't actually bother reading posts before making responses.

9 people already! This is exciting.

[Bamboozalist]

slimgrin wrote...

Lol. Thousand apologies folks. You can get off your high horses now.

I'll admit to having a knee-jerk reaction to certain titles...like

"Will ME3 utilize Kinect?"

"Will ME3 be an MMO?"

"Will ME3 give me more chest hair?"

That last one is actually confirmed. ME3 has been promised to increase chest hair in men by up to 3000% and cure baldness.

[slimgrin]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Personally I think the title should stay as it is so we can see just how many people don't actually bother reading posts before making responses.

I know. This is some deep psychological stuff man...deep.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Bamboozalist wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Lol. Thousand apologies folks. You can get off your high horses now.

I'll admit to having a knee-jerk reaction to certain titles...like

"Will ME3 utilize Kinect?"

"Will ME3 be an MMO?"

"Will ME3 give me more chest hair?"

That last one is actually confirmed. ME3 has been promised to increase chest hair in men by up to 3000% and cure baldness.

Cure baldness!?!?! What.... please tell me that is optional, bald sheps ROCK! Bald and Beautiful. Don't see how having chest hair will help seeing as no outfits in ME so far have shown off Shep's chest.

@Phaedon it is, isn't it
Edit:
@Slimgrin it is, a true acknowledgement of how people tend to cut out chunks of things said and misinterpret them. I'll admit I've done it in the past, but not to the extent some people are proving to do so in this topic.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 30 décembre 2010 - 06:29 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think ME's combat is perfect at this point. All that is left is blindfiring. Add it and you pretty much have it all.

[david-esp]

I agree with the OP.

The more options provided for doing a mission and customizing weapons/armors/biotics/tech/etc., the better, as long as they make sense in the mass effect context.

[sympathy4saren]

I see a desire for genre co-existence, which itself is admirable.



However, desires, perspectives and likes/dislikes will still exist and even without a specific label. If Democrats weren't labeled Democrats and Republicans weren't labeled Republicans, they still wouldn't like each others ideas, nor would they be truly satisfied if each compromised.



What I see is shocking...an assault against Mass Effect from the shooting genre, trying to turn it into a shooter. It's already half way there...then you see calls for these:



-first person

-multiplayer

-co-op

-more melee, including specific melee weapons

- jetpacks

-now...stealth missions??



Give me a break. It is very clear on the direction of this franchise some intend or desire. Me and others are not only here to say enough is enough, but reverse this trend.