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[Mass Erect]

 Anyone else think that's a bit unrealistic?

New Yorks population today is 8.3 million

The citadel looks like 500 New Yorks taped together.

Not to mention it's like the capital of the galaxy.

Star Wars Coruscant  is 1 Trillion.

[Spartas Husky]

try sustaining a far away from anything island with no way to grow its own food.... in my views is pretty good..although I would think somewhere in the dozens of millions to be more sci fi.



Coruscant is a planet which has plenty of space to grow its food, the citadel is an ubber englarged space station.

[adam_grif]

Doesn't the citadel provide all of its own food/water? It's also substantially smaller than Coruscant, which is an entire planet's surface area covered in thousand+ story buildings, and is about twelve hours of collapsing into anarchy if food shipments stop. The population of New York spans an area far larger than just Manhattan Island, which is itself very large.

It stands to reason that not all of the Citadel's buildings are populated.

Modifié par adam_grif, 30 décembre 2010 - 10:48 .

[Bamboozalist]

There are only like 85 million people living on Illium.



I think the largest population planet you can actually visit is Tuchanka which has a population of 2.1 billion.

[Whereto]

I think its talking about permanent residence, as a lot would come and go, staying for months at most.



Well thats what I told myself, considering i did think of this when they said they had 200,000 C-sec officers. A bit over kill for 13.2 or what ever it is million in my opinion

[Mass Erect]

 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mass Erect wrote...

 

This is a Stanford Torus; on the Citadel, it's the Presidium. Typically, such a structure can hold no more than 150,000 permanent residents. I know it looks huge, but theory says a Stanford Torus can't house too many people.

I actually think 13.2 million sounds fairly plausible.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:03 .

[Shadesofsiknas]

13.2 Is a very large number for a SPACE STATION. It may be the Galactic capital but its only a station at the end of the day and has limits.

[g-w-m]

stickmanhenry wrote...

I have nothing to say on topic, but god dammit you bagged the best name on the entire forums

/envy

Hahaha 

[Zulu_DFA]

It's only 44.7 km long. And a lot of its volume is filled up with machinery, that keeps it running.

[wolfsite]

True being as it is a space station there has to be a limit of some kind imposed on the population to keep supplies stable.

Also 13.2 million may just be reffering to people who have some sort of permanent residence status on the Citadel and they may not include people who are only on the Citadel for temporary periods of time such as military stopovers and those who are using the Citadel as a way station between destinations.

[Encarmine]

Mass Erect wrote...

 

tghe op has a point, if i didnt know jack about the lore, and looked at this pic fresh, i would assume several million people live in this ring alone, its not like they all have an entire building to themselves.

then you look at the 5 wards as well, i think it could carry way more than 13million. more like 25 million +

[Dean_the_Young]

stickmanhenry wrote...

I have nothing to say on topic, but god dammit you bagged the best name on the entire forums

/envy

That would bee Ass Erect. She doesn't post much.

[Severyx]

You also have to remember that some of the larger buildings are likely not residential areas. I suspect that the Council's Archive is a large building, and I highly doubt millions of people flock there every day. That's all speculation, of course, but I consider it reasonable speculation!

[BiancoAngelo7]

Always remember any population figure refers only to citizens/permanent residents.



The united states today has around 300 million people. If they were to consider tourists, people just there for work, illegals and various other factors that would probably add several million to that figure.



However, having said this, 11.5 million is just a ridiculous figure for the Citadel.



It is a bit of notoriously infamous lore error that in the games of ME, Bioware has unrealistically lowballed populations in the planets.



Illium having only 85 million is very unrealistic. The most advanced "home away from home" for the oldest (known) race in the galaxy has a measly 85 mil? That makes absolutely zero sense.



Compare that to the 12-13 something billion population of Earth in ME and you will see how they kind of did their math wrong.



My advice? Try not to dwell too much on it. Its just a small detail, one that I hope they correct yes, but a small one nonetheless.



I mean, at the end of the day we can just look at the Citadel or Illium and know that those numbers they gave us are waaay off.

[ArcanistLibram]

The Citadel isn't that big and I suspect relatively little of it is actual living space. A lot of it is going to be commercial areas, warehouses, administrative buildings, maintenance tunnels, etc.

[Spartas Husky]

adam_grif wrote...

Doesn't the citadel provide all of its own food/water? It's also substantially smaller than Coruscant, which is an entire planet's surface area covered in thousand+ story buildings, and is about twelve hours of collapsing into anarchy if food shipments stop. The population of New York spans an area far larger than just Manhattan Island, which is itself very large.

It stands to reason that not all of the Citadel's buildings are populated.

hmmm I thought the citadel only created nutrient paste, and that is not even enough for refugees and the ones having a hard time. I dont think it can sustain the entire millions that live on it.

[Bamboozalist]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Always remember any population figure refers only to citizens/permanent residents.

The united states today has around 300 million people. If they were to consider tourists, people just there for work, illegals and various other factors that would probably add several million to that figure.

However, having said this, 11.5 million is just a ridiculous figure for the Citadel.

It is a bit of notoriously infamous lore error that in the games of ME, Bioware has unrealistically lowballed populations in the planets.

Illium having only 85 million is very unrealistic. The most advanced "home away from home" for the oldest (known) race in the galaxy has a measly 85 mil? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Compare that to the 12-13 something billion population of Earth in ME and you will see how they kind of did their math wrong.

My advice? Try not to dwell too much on it. Its just a small detail, one that I hope they correct yes, but a small one nonetheless.

I mean, at the end of the day we can just look at the Citadel or Illium and know that those numbers they gave us are waaay off.

Earth has 11.5 Billion, Tuchanka has 2.3 Billion and those are the only planets i've found with population data above ~100 million.

[TelexFerra]

Coruscant 1 Trillion



lols

[TheNexus]

It might be more believable if you think that the 13.2 million actually live on the Citadel. In the same way that most of the people who visit New York City don't live there, I can imagine the Citadel has an enormous amount of traffic from outsiders coming and leaving.

[nutshell43]

The thing is about 40km long, I'll approximate it as a cylinder with a diameter of 7km (the presidium diameter. When closed that's about where the Wards end up). That makes for a circumference of a bit more than 40km, too.



40km*40km = 1600km^2



13.2*10^6/(1.6*10^3) ~ 10000 ppl/km^2



Manhattan has about 30000, but given the Citadel's pivotal role in commerce, travel and politics I'd say we can assume that there's at least another 10m visitors on the thing at any given time. Let's say the flats are more spacious, add space for all the structural elements and the machinery to keep the thing running (being an inhabitable space station is just a secondary task you know) and it doesn't sound too bad.

[darth_lopez]

Mass Erect wrote...

 Anyone else think that's a bit unrealistic?

New Yorks population today is 8.3 million

The citadel looks like 500 New Yorks taped together.

Not to mention it's like the capital of the galaxy.

Star Wars Coruscant  is 1 Trillion.

unlike the citadel though Coruscant is an actual planet, That has
been made from the Ground up to the upper Atmosphere into a city. It is
the actual equivalent of like 100000 new yorks.  Furhtermore on the most
populated areas of corsuscant you can't even see the actual ground.
People aren't even sure there is indidgenous life down there anymore.
the entire planet is literally a city. the citadel is a space station as
about 40km long what do you expect?

Encarmine wrote...

tghe op has a point, if i didnt know jack about
the lore, and looked at this pic fresh, i would assume several million
people live in this ring alone, its not like they all have an entire
building to themselves.

then you look at the 5 wards as well, i think it could carry way more than 13million. more like 25 million +

yes but when you look at the USA on  a map and compare it's landmass to say china you would expect the USA to have more than 350 million people living in it.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 30 décembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[Klimy]

Citadel was not designed to be a city, its a mass relay. Thus it might not have enough place to fit everyone. But it's big enough for Reaper fleet to get through.

So this number is good enough for me

[Nicator]

Another curiosity is that Revelation says that the Citadel's population is 40 million.