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[Dune01]

Personally I oppose it, especially on the PC.These days,thanks to pirates,developers make more console games than PC games.Look at Ubisoft,they are making horrendous DRM just to keep their games from pirating.And almost all PC games have a big delay. So what do you think about pirating that is currently ruining PC gaming?

[rokeeb]

Call me what you will, but i'll admit that I pirate the occasional old game that I missed (I've only really been playing games for two years). If I like it I will generally buy it.



However, I am very opposed to pirating new released games as it does force companies like Ubisoft into using DRM similar to Assassin's Creed 2. Although, I personally think the best way to fight against pirating is the way that Sins of a Solar Empire did, and that's not have any protection at all.

[Moondoggie]

With the approach to tackling piracy changing from DRM to adding freebies that are only available with real copies i think if you pirate games you are just denying yourself getting the best from your games. Their used to be an excuse with DRM but many publishers have since changed their policy on it and i'm sure many more will.



In short you get way more out of a real copy these days with content plus if something goes wrong it can be fixed unlike a pirate copy where any number of things can go wrong due to piracy protection meaning when you install a true game some content is downloaded when you update the game so those files are sometimes missing with a pirate version and the game won't work properly.



If you support a franchise or a game you should always stick to real copies and support those who worked hard to make it.

[vometia]

I've never really liked pirates and their freeloading ways, but they aren't a new syndrome (I'm reminded of the infamous "home taping is killing music" campaign) and neither is the knee-jerk reaction of publishers: and as a customer, I view the latter as a bigger problem than the pirates themselves.  A lot of corporate types still hold on to the fallacy that every pirated copy is a lost sale and do so with an unshakeable confidence, but from my understanding, few pirated copies would translate into sales if it was impossible to copy in the first place.  But it doesn't stop companies from effectively punishing those of us who do pay.

As far as I'm concerned, piracy is a fact of life alongside taxes and cockroaches: I don't like any of them but that's the way of things.  If companies really are concerned about piracy then maybe instead of alienating their honest customers or attempting to do a king Canute they should reward those who are honest.  And I don't mean with "extra content" because we've seen at the very least the suggestion that this is simply cut from the original game: whether it is or not, the temptation is there and by its nature it's no harder to copy than the base game itself anyway.  But by providing some sort of tangible reward for buying games, such as including the stuff you'd often see in collector's editions into the standard package (which was much more often the case in the '90s as I recall) then people may be more tempted to pay for the game to get the extra stuff.  I still doubt it would translate into that many extra sales since freeloaders don't like paying for stuff by their very nature, but as a collector of games-related tat it would certainly suit me!

I suppose all that pontification is getting off the point, though: which is that I don't like pirating because it makes the halfwits who run games companies take out their frustrations on me as a paying customer because I'm an easier target.

[Moondoggie]

Some of the things you mentioned are the direction games publishers are going in now. I think you'll see a lot more games in future being released with extras the idea is still in it's infancy right now and not all games publishers are catching up to the fact DRM caused a major backlash and alienated the very consumer base they wanted to protect.



Pirating will never end nobody has any illusions of stamping it out completely personally i think rewarding your paying customers with a better service and better content is a far more effective way of discouraging people to download copied games. If people have good reasons to buy an official copy they will.

[Knal1991]

I don't pirate games at all, however there is the occasional music CD or telivision series... however

in case of CD's, it's a try before I buy situation... I wanna know what's on a cd before I buy it... If I don't like it, I probably won't buy it or listen to it again IF I do however and IF I can find the said CD (which seems to be a problem nowadays as well...) I surely will purchase it the same week as I downloaded it...



In case of television shows, theres is only really one I ''pirate''...



Heroes... and for quite a good reason, I have been seeing that show ever since it had aired the first season in my country... being a trustfull fan and declining downloading the series as opposed to the people in my environment, every week one episode was released and I watched it patiently, then the season ended and naturally I waited for the second (and quite disspaointing season) to air a half year later...The third season however was already being mass downloaded in my community but still I refused to do so myself and waited for the third season to air...and I am still waiting...

the second season ended in begin 2008 or so, which means I have been waiting for almost three years for the third season to air, and quite frankly I got sick of it... so now currently I'm watching it through some site...in bad quality... but alteast I can watch it now... (I think I have done my time of waiting more then enough...)



Overall I am against piracy, that's why I buy the CD's I download and purchase or rent movies I wanna see...

[ScorpSt]

My views on pirating have changed over the years. I used to think it was "OK as long as you don't get caught", but my outlook changed once I decided I wanted to make video games for a living. Now I've come to realize that pirating these games isn't just some sort of petty theft, but disrespectful to the people who put all their time and effort into the development of the game. I've even come to the conclusion that if I can't stomach the DRM used by the games, I won't even bother playing in the first place (which is why I still have never played Spore).



In the end, the question is: "is the game worth paying for?" If the answer is yes, then go ahead and by it. If it's "not at this price" then wait for the price to fall. If the answer's no, then you have no business playing it in the first place.

[Moondoggie]

ScorpSt wrote...

My views on pirating have changed over the years. I used to think it was "OK as long as you don't get caught", but my outlook changed once I decided I wanted to make video games for a living. Now I've come to realize that pirating these games isn't just some sort of petty theft, but disrespectful to the people who put all their time and effort into the development of the game. I've even come to the conclusion that if I can't stomach the DRM used by the games, I won't even bother playing in the first place (which is why I still have never played Spore).

In the end, the question is: "is the game worth paying for?" If the answer is yes, then go ahead and by it. If it's "not at this price" then wait for the price to fall. If the answer's no, then you have no business playing it in the first place.

The version of Spore available on Steam comes without DRM. If you want to play the game that option is there. For the retail version theres the deauthorisation tool option although i don't know much about how that works.

[mousestalker]

I'll start pirating when you can bit torrent pizza. Until that time, it's a little too virtual to be truly useful.

[Ponce de Leon]

Pirating disgusts me. It's like going in a museum and take a piece and go away without anyone trying to stop you.



I would never pirate anything, not only because it's against who I am, but call me strange when I say that I love the smell of freshly opened game copies. The box, the small book that comes with it. It's a scent that every time brings back dozens and dozens of memories.

*opens box and smells*... oooh! Gamegasm!

[mousestalker]

Life cycle of a computer game:

1. "Every copy of Fall Effect Mass Outage come with a trained were-ferret who will shred the arm of anyone who tries to play the game without the proper code."

2. "After advice from our attorneys, the ferrets have been replaced by a mechanical device that will melt the DVD in the event of an improper code being used."

3."Fall Effect Mass Outage is now available through Steam!"

4. "We are pleased to announce the release of the Collector's edition of Fall Effect Mass Outage which has no Digital Rights Management whatsoever."

5. "Buy six donuts and get a free copy of Fall Effect Mass Outage."

Modifié par mousestalker, 30 décembre 2010 - 02:07 .

[Ponce de Leon]

mousestalker wrote...

Life cycle of a computer game:

1. "Every copy of Fall Effect Mass Outage come with a trained were-ferret who will shred the arm of anyone who tries to play the game without the proper code."

2. "After advice from our attorneys, the ferrets have been replaced by a mechanical device that will melt the DVD in the event of an improper code being used."

3."Fall Effect Mass Outage is now available through Steam!"

4. "We are pleased to announce the release of the Collector's edition of Fall Effect Mass outage which has no Digital Rights Management whatsoever."

5. "Buy six donuts and get a free copy of Fall Effect Mass Outage."

Sssh! EA will take the idEA and tell it was their own! Then were-ferrets for EVERYONE! 

[Blastback]

As far as copy protection goes, I like the steps taken in Arkham Asylum, where if you had a pirated game, you were unable to get past a specific point early in the game because an ability wouldn't work.



Also, dark-lauron, your avatar is one of the most awesome things I have ever seen.

[Jonp382]

Moondoggie wrote...

The version of Spore available on Steam comes without DRM.

Steam is DRM.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Well I have to admit that I download some pirated games but I also buy some. My main reason for doing this is either a. the game in question is ourageously expensive in retail stores(Australia is double the price of US games) or b. Annoying DRM or platform(such as Steam which I hate very much). But if I like a particular developer(such as Bioware) I buy all their games instead of downloading them(all my BW games are legit).
Not only games but Programs and OSs are usually beyond anythin I can afford and that's when pirating is necessary. Take Autodesk Maya or Windows for example. Both are around the $500 mark(Maya is close to a thousand). There's more important things I'd rather spend such large amounts of money on than one piece of software.

[mousestalker]

Linux is free. With Wine you can play most Windows games as well.



Just FYI.

[TheMufflon]

scyphozoa wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, it is not a subjective matter

(emphasis mine)

Modifié par TheMufflon, 30 décembre 2010 - 03:25 .

[slimgrin]

scyphozoa wrote...

I think its funny how pirates ALWAYS try to justify their behavior. They try to hide behind shades of grey and excuses. As far as I'm concerned, it is not a subjective matter, there is right and wrong and they are on the wrong side.

Agreed. If only publishers could bring themselves to admit they're on the wrong side as well when they implement sh*tty drm, which treats everyone like a damn criminal. I have zero respect for Ubisoft. What they do doesn't even work and yet they're too busy hiding behind excuses themselves to come up with something better.

Modifié par slimgrin, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Dreskar]

I will admit it, I have pirated a game or two, usually being the old games that are hard to find that I didn't want to pay 100+ dollars on Ebay to try out. Its been a few years since I last pirated a game though, my reasoning back then was because of being burned on too many awful games that sit in heaps around the room. Looking back on it now it was a pretty lame excuse, and when it comes to playing games today I usually wait a few months past each release to even consider games anymore, mainly because I pre-ordered and bought the new Aliens vs Predators game hoping it would be like AvP 2, boy was I wrong. I think one of the main reasons I stopped pirating games was not just because I wanted to go into the industry, but because I found out if you are a developer you get only about $20 or so, depending on units sold out of every $60 game that someone buys, which again in hindsight how I didn't think of that sooner is beyond me.

But I think what has been worrying me about newer games is just how aggressive their new DRM is, some only allow for 1 activation of a game, so if your system goes down and you want to reinstall it you have to call them to request they unlock the application, or where you have to be logged into like GFWL (I hate GFWL) at all times to even play singleplayer. On the odd note if you were to pirate games that did this you have a much easier time playing the game as it removes the DRM then the people that bought the game =/. I actually hope game companies start doing more things for the people that bought the game legally, like as someone mentioned adding codes inside their box or through Steam that allow them to say unlock a new set of multiplayer maps or something.

Or perhapes do what Extra Credits suggested, drop the price of games to $35, and then have the consumer pay $20 to get the rest of the content unlocked that is already on the disk, it makes the game cheaper to buy, the consumer doesn't have to pay the second fee if they don't care about say multiplayer or whatever content you have locked, and it increases profits for the developer. It also means, theoretically as I am sure someone would find a way around it, you would have to pay the $20 dollars even if you pirate the game to play the locked content.

Edit - Adding links for the developer profits / extra credits ideas

http://www.escapistm...ject-Ten-Dollar



(For Pach the number crunch is in there, as well as his thoughts on piracy)

Modifié par Dreskar, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:51 .

[Fishy]

That remind me of someone in my family . He was a farmer and he had a lot of cow.So he produced milk and he had a quota per month .



The governement told him if he had extra milk he had to dump it on the ground .Because more milk would mean price drop .That a very bad thing you see .For other farmer etc.

So he agreed.He was not greedy so he accepted it.But deep inside something was fishy about this .



Than some day during the month he was almost arrested because he gave the extra milk to poor family in the village.He could not even give his own milk.Dump it on the ground before giving it so this way we will continue to control them was he thinking.



He could give money into a box and contribute like this for the poor but he could not intervene himself.He could not visit a poor family and give them milk directly.He was a criminal by doing so.He broke the law.A criminal . .A sumbag .. Those lazy bastard did not deserved any of his milk!



Half the village was poor and starving .So if they were heatly and had good milk .. Maybe some of them would have discovered a cure .Who know.The creator of facebook broke the university law.Some student have downloaded software because they did not have enough money to purchase it and next thing you know .. they created something that corporation could not.



But go for it . Put a price tag on everything.Make sure the poor stay stupid so you can control them.

Viva capitalista and consumeria;Hoarding stuff that a nice goal in life.Be proud.

[TheMufflon]

Dreskar wrote...

you would have to pay the $20 dollars even if you pirate the game to play the locked content.

Right, because clearly no one would crack it.

[B3taMaxxx]

PC players are thieves!



I don't pirate movies or games.