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[TheMufflon]

Daewan wrote...


The imperfection in the analogy with CDs is the ease of making an exact reproduction. from.  

If you cannot make an appropriate analogy, don't make one at all.

And if the pirate actually puchased the first copy with the sole intent of making copies to give away for free, that is still theft (just of a different kind).

By definition of the word theft: No.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:28 .

[slimgrin]

Busomjack wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Busomjack, people steal. People who own PC's, people who own consoles, people who own boats, people who own cars...

Yeah but people who play games on the PC steal more than people who game on consoles.  Didn't you see those numbers I posted earlier from IGN?

Because its easier to steal on the PC, not because console users are saints.

Modifié par slimgrin, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:28 .

[Busomjack]

TheMufflon wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

And your trash-talking when confronted with my infallable interpretation of Daewan's post speaks volumes of you.

Since your argument was mearly an appeal to your own sense of reasoning, a counter argument was by nescessity also an ad hominem (i.e. intimating that that you have none).

Oh, and also: Pot, kettle black. You are obviuosly just trying to obfuscate your own shortcoming by antagonizing me, but by all means: Keep trying, I need a good laugh.

Your lack of reading comprehension skills makes it pretty futile to continue this conversation any further.  Especially since you've completely gone off this topic and decided to make this a referendum on me rather than the original argument.
I wasn't trying to antagonize you and I feel bad that you believe those are my intentions.  Really, I like you dude. 

[Daewan]

Hey! Back on topic. I'm enjoying this discussion.

[Busomjack]

slimgrin wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Busomjack, people steal. People who own PC's, people who own consoles, people who own boats, people who own cars...

Yeah but people who play games on the PC steal more than people who game on consoles.  Didn't you see those numbers I posted earlier from IGN?

Because its easier to steal on the PC, not because console users are saints.

I agree, PC's are easier to pirate on and I think people should consider that fact when they declare that there should be no security measures on software at all.
However, I do think the fact that PC's are so easy to pirate on attracts a lot more scum to that platform.  It explains why PC gamers come across as so arrogant, it's because they believe they're entitled to everything.

[TheMufflon]

Busomjack wrote...


Your lack of reading comprehension skills makes it pretty futile to continue this conversation any further.

Surely, you can do better?

[Busomjack]

TheMufflon wrote...

Busomjack wrote...


Your lack of reading comprehension skills makes it pretty futile to continue this conversation any further.

Surely, you can do better?

No, afraid not.  You're simply too internet tough for me.

[Daewan]

TheMufflon wrote...

Daewan wrote...


The imperfection in the analogy with CDs is the ease of making an exact reproduction. from.  

If you cannot make an appropriate analogy, don't make one at all.

And if the pirate actually puchased the first copy with the sole intent of making copies to give away for free, that is still theft (just of a different kind).

By definition of the word theft: No.

What definition of theft are you using?  If I recall my common law correctly, it's something along the lines of "wrongful acquisition of the personal property of another person with the intent to deprive them of the possession or rightful use of it."

If we're not going to make analogies, then we'll have to find something else to discuss.  But at least my analogy was better than the cow thing.

[Blastback]

Could you to take your disagreement to PM's or something? Let's stay on topic.



I'm all for fighting piracy, but at the same time, some of the steps taken can hurt legitimate customers as much as pirates, and that isn't acceptable. One expansion pack for the Sims 2 I bought had DRM that prevented me from being able to install the game at all.

[slimgrin]

As far as I'm concerned, GoG is headed in the right direction and I hope they can convince publishers to lease them new titles.

[TheMufflon]

Daewan wrote...

What definition of theft are you using?

Merriam-Websters: the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.

Emphasis mine.

[FreezaSama]

I don't really have an opinion about piracy one way or the other. The technology is there, and a portion of the population is always going to use it. What I don't like, is how coporations always cite piracy figures and automatically claim every bit is a lost sale. That simply isn't true. If I illegally download, say, a video game... Sure, the publisher can turn around and say that's lost revenue for them... But the fact of the matter is, I may not have acquired said game if I had to pay for it. So in that case, they wouldn't have been losing anything. People will often take something for free, but are much much more selective when they have to pay for it. Therefore, you can't go and say all pirated software is a lost sale somewhere. Are pirates thieves? Certainly. But if you blocked their ability to pirate music, movies, games, what have you... Sales wouldn't jump the way some people might expect.

As it is, the technology is here and it isn't going away. The solution, I think, is to come up with some way to entice potential customers to buy the packaged retail product (whether that be digital download or otherwise). Some people are going to pirate no matter what, so it's a waste of time and money to worry about pursuing them, as there'll always be ten more of them for everyone you take down. I think the way some retailers now offer pre-order bonuses for most video games is certainly a step in the right direction on that front. Let's hope other industries see this and follow suit. If you want my hard-earned money, make me want to purchase it.

[Nibroc17]

Busomjack wrote...

the potential

I ****-ing hate that word with every fiber of my soulless being!!!!!!

Modifié par Nibroc17, 30 décembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[Wicked 702]

As a teenager/young adult I pirated a few games, CDs, programs, etc. here and there. Mostly I paid for the things I wanted. I'd say the split was probably at least 80/20 if not higher. I freely downloaded NES and SNES ROMs, however I focused on games that were never released in the US. Otherwise, I generally had a physical copy already.

Nowadays, I only rarely download a CD. Less than 5 a year total at most. And generally I end up buying them in the end. I have no need to pirate movies since I use Netflix, nor was I ever into pirating movies. I'm very much into supporting software developers so I essentially pay for everything in that regard. Well, 98% anyway. I'm not perfect. I still download ROMS at will, mainly because I already own the vast majority of those games and I simply want them for a different media (Smartphone).

Given a reasonable method of aquisition, I will always chip in my fair share. Now that I am older and have a paycheck I try to respect other people's creations as much as possible. However, I don't lose any sleep in the rare instances when I don't.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 30 décembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Busomjack]

I am proud to say I have never pirated anything ever. I used to import a lot of games but I have always paid for them.

I am a beacon of moral superiority.

[B3taMaxxx]

Busomjack wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Busomjack, people steal. People who own PC's, people who own consoles, people who own boats, people who own cars...

Yeah but people who play games on the PC steal more than people who game on consoles.  Didn't you see those numbers I posted earlier from IGN?

 While this is all true, if stealing was as easy on the console as it can be on the PC, the numbers wouldn't differ much.

 Just saying.

[wolfsite]

Can someone lock this thread, the hamster just fell of the wheel.

[mousestalker]

At the risk of stirring the pot even further, the penalty for piracy under international law is hanging (look it up). The problems y'all are discussing with piracy would all be solved if all pirates were truly well hung.



But they aren't.

[FreezaSama]

Busomjack wrote...

I am proud to say I have never pirated anything ever. I used to import a lot of games but I have always paid for them.
I am a beacon of moral superiority.

How nice for you.

mousestalker wrote...

At the risk of stirring the pot even further, the penalty for piracy under international law is hanging (look it up). The problems y'all are discussing with piracy would all be solved if all pirates were truly well hung.

But they aren't.

Um.... yeah. That's the "Ahoy, matey" and "Prepare to be boarded" kind of piracy... not illegal downloading... Sillyhead.

[hamtyl07]

I am all for when it comes to music but as for movies and video games i dont condone it

i mean lets be honest almost all my music on my computers has been downloaded though torrents and lime wire before they shut down

and at the risk of a suspension i will say uTorrent has help me out a lot i have all the soundtracks from a few video games which i will not name

now a friend of mine is terrible i wont go into details but lets just say some CAD software he downloaded runs pretty expensive lets say it has about 4 or zeros after the price

Modifié par hamtyl07, 31 décembre 2010 - 12:06 .

[hamtyl07]

FreezaSama wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I am proud to say I have never pirated anything ever. I used to import a lot of games but I have always paid for them.
I am a beacon of moral superiority.

How nice for you.

mousestalker wrote...

At the risk of stirring the pot even further, the penalty for piracy under international law is hanging (look it up). The problems y'all are discussing with piracy would all be solved if all pirates were truly well hung.

But they aren't.

Um.... yeah. That's the "Ahoy, matey" and "Prepare to be boarded" kind of piracy... not illegal downloading... Sillyhead.

I like how describe ptrates

[Wicked 702]

hamtyl07 wrote...

I am all for when it comes to music but as for movies and video games i dont condone it

At the risk of turning this into a flame war, may I ask why you feel one is ok and the other isn't? Or better yet, why do you feel it's ok to download music without paying?

[slimgrin]

mousestalker wrote...

The problems y'all are discussing with piracy would all be solved if all pirates were truly well hung.

But they aren't.

Speak for yourself.

Modifié par slimgrin, 31 décembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[Khayness]

hamtyl07 wrote...

i mean lets be honest almost all my music on my computers has been downloaded though torrents and lime wire before they shut down

Busomjack is calling an airstrike as we speak.

He once threatened someone with calling the local police on him/her, guy's a pro.