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[Eddo36]

Just read Retribution, and looks like he would be the perfect companion to a renegade Shepard.

[Phaedon]

Yeah, I love having racists in my squad.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I would rather decorate the Normandy with his brains than have him join my team.

[TK Dude]

I would love to have him on my ship.

[Barquiel]

I wouldn't mind if renegade Shepards have the option to recruit him - as long as he isn't mandatory



But I'd prefer to kill him...

[Dean_the_Young]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I would rather decorate the Normandy with his brains than have him join my team.

That's a bit odd, considering the sort of people you have on your squad. Kai's a racist, but hardly an open or obsessive one who rants and acts illogically about it: his greatest racist moment to our knowledge might include getting in a bar fight and killing a Krogan. Otherwise, we've gotten is a 'I don't like these people, I'd rather be gone' attitude when he went into Afterlife to negotiate with Aria on TIM's behalf.

Compare his attitude with, say, Tali's past (and somewhat present) atittudes against Geth, Grunt's open atittudes towards Turians, the sort of acts Samara admits she'd be willing to do, or pretty much the past acts and scale of things of everyone short of Jacob, Kasumi, and Garrus, and Kai's positively banal.

[Xilizhra]

Presentation issue. I suspect the reason that so many people hate Morinth while liking others that you mentioned is that we actually get to meet the family of one of Morinth's victims, and she's not initially presented as a squadmate.



That said, Kai Leng is a loyal Cerberus mook and as such I don't want him anywhere near me if possible, unless he's being arrested (there was no possibility for Jacob or Miranda in ME2).

[Fiery Phoenix]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I would rather decorate the Normandy with his brains than have him join my team.

That's a bit odd, considering the sort of people you have on your squad. Kai's a racist, but hardly an open or obsessive one who rants and acts illogically about it: his greatest racist moment to our knowledge might include getting in a bar fight and killing a Krogan. Otherwise, we've gotten is a 'I don't like these people, I'd rather be gone' attitude when he went into Afterlife to negotiate with Aria on TIM's behalf.

Compare his attitude with, say, Tali's past (and somewhat present) atittudes against Geth, Grunt's open atittudes towards Turians, the sort of acts Samara admits she'd be willing to do, or pretty much the past acts and scale of things of everyone short of Jacob, Kasumi, and Garrus, and Kai's positively banal.

I see your point. But honestly, I'm one of those people who are done with Cerberus types.

[AlexMBrennan]

I really hope that we get generic marines (or a multi species task force) in ME3. The fact that the game forces me to recruit Grunt, Jack, Samara (because Jack's a bit too unstable - sorry if you're a fan) doesn't mean I'll enjoy recruiting unstable xenocidal people in ME3.

[Zavox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I would rather decorate the Normandy with his brains than have him join my team.

That's a bit odd, considering the sort of people you have on your squad. Kai's a racist, but hardly an open or obsessive one who rants and acts illogically about it: his greatest racist moment to our knowledge might include getting in a bar fight and killing a Krogan. Otherwise, we've gotten is a 'I don't like these people, I'd rather be gone' attitude when he went into Afterlife to negotiate with Aria on TIM's behalf.

Compare his attitude with, say, Tali's past (and somewhat present) atittudes against Geth, Grunt's open atittudes towards Turians, the sort of acts Samara admits she'd be willing to do, or pretty much the past acts and scale of things of everyone short of Jacob, Kasumi, and Garrus, and Kai's positively banal.

Hmmm? What about that helpless drugged Asari? Which coincidentally was the child of the Queen of Omega?

[jlb524]

Hopefully enemy. I don't want him on my team.



I'd just hand him to Aria. XD

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Zavox wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I would rather decorate the Normandy with his brains than have him join my team.

That's a bit odd, considering the sort of people you have on your squad. Kai's a racist, but hardly an open or obsessive one who rants and acts illogically about it: his greatest racist moment to our knowledge might include getting in a bar fight and killing a Krogan. Otherwise, we've gotten is a 'I don't like these people, I'd rather be gone' attitude when he went into Afterlife to negotiate with Aria on TIM's behalf.

Compare his attitude with, say, Tali's past (and somewhat present) atittudes against Geth, Grunt's open atittudes towards Turians, the sort of acts Samara admits she'd be willing to do, or pretty much the past acts and scale of things of everyone short of Jacob, Kasumi, and Garrus, and Kai's positively banal.

Hmmm? What about that helpless drugged Asari? Which coincidentally was the child of the Queen of Omega?

She knew that the attack was by Cerberus. She had to be killed to cover their tracks.

[Zavox]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

She knew that the attack was by Cerberus. She had to be killed to cover their tracks.

I know, it's rather the way he went about it though.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Zavox wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

She knew that the attack was by Cerberus. She had to be killed to cover their tracks.

I know, it's rather the way he went about it though.

She was unconscious and he killed her. It was a completely painless death. That's the nicest way I can think to kill someone. Liselle was no bastion of morality herself.

[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...


I'd just hand him to Aria. XD

this

...and  I'd love to have Aria as a squad mate in ME3^_^

Modifié par Barquiel, 30 décembre 2010 - 06:48 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, it's definitely killing the helpless, regardless of what their own morality was.

[jlb524]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

She was unconscious and he killed her. It was a completely painless death. That's the nicest way I can think to kill someone. Liselle was no bastion of morality herself.

That doesn't excuse his actions.  Also, he didn't kill her b/c of her 'bad deeds' either.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Caythark wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...
She was unconscious and he killed her. It was a completely painless death. That's the nicest way I can think to kill someone. Liselle was no bastion of morality herself.

an interesting reason to kill someone,".. oh she is unconscious, let´s cut her throat and she deserves it
because she wasn´t a shy princess , NO she was a mercenary, ( like about 80% of the population at Omega btw.!!)
and the poor terrorists and serial killers Kai Leng unfortunately had to kill her."

What kind of twisted world do you live?

If you read my above posts you'd see he killed her because she knows it was Cerberus that attacked. Kai Leng was simply covering his tracks so Cerberus would not be implicated.

Then someone commented on "how" he killed her.

Then I said it was quick and painless.

As to what word I live in . . . the real world.

[Xilizhra]

What kind of twisted world do you live?

A Renegade one.

[Eddo36]

He killed her simply to frame someone and because he can't let her live and inform Aria about the raid. Wasn't like he did it for no reason.

Modifié par Eddo36, 30 décembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[Zavox]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

She was unconscious and he killed her. It was a completely painless death. That's the nicest way I can think to kill someone. Liselle was no bastion of morality herself.

If you read my above posts you'd see he killed her because she knows it
was Cerberus that attacked. Kai Leng was simply covering his tracks so
Cerberus would not be implicated.

Then someone commented on "how" he killed her.

Then I said it was quick and painless.

As to what word I live in . . . the real world.

For as far as I know Kai Leng had no knowledge about Liselle, as to who she was. Anyway.. In case my memory made up some complete utter rubbish, I rechecked the novel to make sure. Some quotes for your enjoyment.

"However, the alien **** is expendable. If you get a chance, kill her" (This is without knowledge as to whether she would notice them or might even not be present at the time of the attack. So he wanted to kill her before any knowledge as to whether she would be a risk to the security of the attack.) Furthermore during the attack, Grayson never said anything to Liselle that they were Cerberus, nor did they wear Cerberus armor. Secondly, Kai Leng even thought when they noticed the red sand, and before he killed Liselle, that "he knew Aria was involved in a drug war with a rival gang; with any luck, she'd think they were behind Grayson's disappearance.
Actually, killing Liselle but taking Grayson makes it sloppier. Aria would never think they were a rival gang, killing one, taking the other makes no sense other than an abduction.

"What about her?" (asked by Shella) "Leave her to me." Thus making it personal, he could've just as well let someone else handle it. Making it as if he actually wants to do it himself for whatever reason, instead of just having her killed.

It may have been a quick and painless death, but it was unnecessary. Neither do I expect him to just utter butcher her for the sake of kicks, they needed to be in and out quick remember?

Modifié par Zavox, 30 décembre 2010 - 07:15 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

How would Kai Leng have known that Grayson hadn't told Liselle about Cerberus? Killing Liselle was the safest course of action to keep Cerberus from being implicated. All it would have taken is Grayson whispering to Liselle (during a lengthy firefight), "Cerberus has come for me." Aria would not be happy when she found out Cerberus took one of her best assets.

[Eddo36]

Liselle: Hey mom, the group that attacked us were all human. Didn't we find out that Grayson worked for Cerberus? There was this asian guy in there that I can draw a picture of.

[Zavox]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

How would Kai Leng have known that Grayson hadn't told Liselle about Cerberus? Killing Liselle was the safest course of action to keep Cerberus from being implicated. All it would have taken is Grayson whispering to Liselle (during a lengthy firefight), "Cerberus has come for me." Aria would not be happy when she found out Cerberus took one of her best assets.

Read the novel, it was anything but lengthy and Cerberus pretty much had eye-sight all the time on Liselle and Grayson when they were together, which was about 5-10 seconds.

Neither was I suggesting that Liselle be taken, even though that may have been the best way to cover your tracks. Take her with you, but let her think she escapes a while later. No way for Liselle to know for certain they were Cerberus, other than a hint here and there, which killing Liselle just as well does.

Aria neither would be happy that she was killed. Secondly, I think I've said this in my post before but Kai Leng had no knowledge whatsoever Liselle was Aria's child. Thus killing her or abducting her or leaving her may not have mattered either way as she was just another asset to Aria as Grayson was in Kai Leng's eyes.