It's fairly obvious that the Incisor is fairly overpowered in the hands of your squadmates, but what other weapons that would be otherwise mediocre when used by Shepard are outstanding in the hands of your squad?
For example, I'm fairly certain that Legion's Widow is the best sniper rifle he can get, the Mattock AR works wonders for squadmates, and the Phalanx pistol is great because your squadmates don't have issues with the aiming laser. I'm having issues deciding among the SMGs (I figure it's the Locust) and shotguns (GPS, from the looks of things).
Advice, please?
[ME2] Best weapons for squadmates?
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 02:40
Praetor Knight
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Locust and GPS are solid on the squad, because of how the squad uses them.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 03:03
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Sniper: Incisor is probably the best followed by the Viper -- Legion's Widow Maker is best for him though.
Assault Rifle: Mattock and then Vindicator.
SMG: Tempest(Squad Cryo), Locust(If you don't have Squad Cryo)
Pistol: Phalanx, followed by Carnifex
Shotgun: Geth Plasma Shotgun followed by Eviscerator.
Is how I'd rate em.
Assault Rifle: Mattock and then Vindicator.
SMG: Tempest(Squad Cryo), Locust(If you don't have Squad Cryo)
Pistol: Phalanx, followed by Carnifex
Shotgun: Geth Plasma Shotgun followed by Eviscerator.
Is how I'd rate em.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 03:44
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Sniper: Incisor is probably the best followed by the Viper -- Legion's Widow Maker is best for him though.
Assault Rifle: Mattock and then Vindicator.
SMG: Tempest(Squad Cryo), Locust(If you don't have Squad Cryo)
Pistol: Phalanx, followed by Carnifex
Shotgun: Geth Plasma Shotgun followed by Eviscerator.
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I think this is pretty solid.
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Overall, I would say: Tempest(Squad Cryo) > Mattock > Geth Plasma Shotgun
Assault Rifle: Mattock and then Vindicator.
SMG: Tempest(Squad Cryo), Locust(If you don't have Squad Cryo)
Pistol: Phalanx, followed by Carnifex
Shotgun: Geth Plasma Shotgun followed by Eviscerator.
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I think this is pretty solid.
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Overall, I would say: Tempest(Squad Cryo) > Mattock > Geth Plasma Shotgun
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 04:13
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Tempest on squaddies always seems to be much more damaging than the Locust because they don't suffer from the giant spread and recoil that Shepard does. The Tempest is a much more damaging gun, but the Locust is only better for Shepard due to its accuracy, which squadmates don't have problems with.
I remember once seeing Miranda open up with a full burst from the Tempest and nail an Engineer with tight clusters on his head and torso from a range that would be impossible for Shepard.
My only complaint with the GPS is that the squad AI keeps treating it like a Shotgun instead of using it like the "rifle" it is. Its annoying seeing Jack or Tali run into enemy fire when they could be safely firing it from a distance.
I remember once seeing Miranda open up with a full burst from the Tempest and nail an Engineer with tight clusters on his head and torso from a range that would be impossible for Shepard.
My only complaint with the GPS is that the squad AI keeps treating it like a Shotgun instead of using it like the "rifle" it is. Its annoying seeing Jack or Tali run into enemy fire when they could be safely firing it from a distance.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 04:37
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Wanted to emphasize on the Phalanx bit: I've noticed squadmates kick some serious butt with that gun.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 05:11
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strive has the weapons rated exactly as I would.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 05:11
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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
Wanted to emphasize on the Phalanx bit: I've noticed squadmates kick some serious butt with that gun.
I've never seen the appeal to using the Phalanx on squaddies. Most of the time they do more damage with their other weapon, even if its against the wrong defense, and due to the slow fire rate of the pistols, they have a smaller chance of activating their ammo powers.
Also, I have noticed the slower fire rate of the Phalanx over the Carnifex on squadmates. I'd prefer firing faster for slightly less damage, but a higher likelihood of activating Cryo Ammo than a slightly higher punch.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 05:55
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^Carnifex has a higher dps than the Phalanx. It's main problem is limited ammo, which is why I usually prefer it on my squadmates.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 06:52
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I'll break it down in terms of each weapon, keep in mind I love to mix and match weapons because I enjoy diversity with my squad but let's do this.
The Phalanx is the best Heavy Pistol for squaddies. They fire it about as fast as they fire the Carnifex except the Phalanx does more total damage and the Predator doesn't do nearly enough damage in their hands.
The Tempest is the best SMG for squaddies. It has a larger clip and they have no accuracy issues when using it. The Locust is the second best, but it's not nearly as effective as the Tempest for Squaddies. Do I even need to mention the Shuriken? Didn't think so.
The Geth Plasma Shotgun is the best for squaddies since they tend to fire shotguns from pretty far range. So the GPS makes up for that. Other than that the only other one I actively noticed anyone being effective with was the Eviscerator probably due its slightly longer range. One caveat I would add is that I do believe grunt rocks with the Claymore due to his tendency to run right into a fight.
Incisor is the best Sniper for everyone but Legion. Legion obviously is great with the Widow. Everyone knows by now that the Incisor for squaddies doesn't receive the same damage penalties that weapons usually do in their hands. I like the Viper for squadies as well but I have to admit I know it isn't nearly as good as the good ol' Incisor.
The Assault Riffle is a tough one. I have to give it to the Mattock though. It's like having a squaddie with a Viper but they fire it faster. I have to give a close second to the Vindicator however. It's still a darn good Assault Riffle for them. Granted the Geth Pulse Riffle is good when shields are around but it's not a good all round weapon like the Mattock especially.
Please note that these aren't just my opinions but they are taken from several playthroughs of the game when I notice one squaddie doing abnormally well. It's also a data interpretation taken from the Mass Effect wiki. I hope this helps but I do urge people to try various weapons across all their squaddies because for me at least it makes a more interesting squad.
The Phalanx is the best Heavy Pistol for squaddies. They fire it about as fast as they fire the Carnifex except the Phalanx does more total damage and the Predator doesn't do nearly enough damage in their hands.
The Tempest is the best SMG for squaddies. It has a larger clip and they have no accuracy issues when using it. The Locust is the second best, but it's not nearly as effective as the Tempest for Squaddies. Do I even need to mention the Shuriken? Didn't think so.
The Geth Plasma Shotgun is the best for squaddies since they tend to fire shotguns from pretty far range. So the GPS makes up for that. Other than that the only other one I actively noticed anyone being effective with was the Eviscerator probably due its slightly longer range. One caveat I would add is that I do believe grunt rocks with the Claymore due to his tendency to run right into a fight.
Incisor is the best Sniper for everyone but Legion. Legion obviously is great with the Widow. Everyone knows by now that the Incisor for squaddies doesn't receive the same damage penalties that weapons usually do in their hands. I like the Viper for squadies as well but I have to admit I know it isn't nearly as good as the good ol' Incisor.
The Assault Riffle is a tough one. I have to give it to the Mattock though. It's like having a squaddie with a Viper but they fire it faster. I have to give a close second to the Vindicator however. It's still a darn good Assault Riffle for them. Granted the Geth Pulse Riffle is good when shields are around but it's not a good all round weapon like the Mattock especially.
Please note that these aren't just my opinions but they are taken from several playthroughs of the game when I notice one squaddie doing abnormally well. It's also a data interpretation taken from the Mass Effect wiki. I hope this helps but I do urge people to try various weapons across all their squaddies because for me at least it makes a more interesting squad.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 06:55
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I've been impressed by my squadmates' use of the Shuriken. I know it's a fairly awful SMG in Shepard's hands, at least in most situations, but the squadmates can use it effectively.
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Posté 31 décembre 2010 - 10:18
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Thank you for your responses.
I was wondering about the Tempest/Locust thing myself. According to the wiki, the Locust has a higher base damage, but then you have to put the reduced damage of your squadmates into consideration. However, it seems to have a faster rate of fire, and I'm not sure if squadmates have modified damage to defenses: if squadmates do the same amount of damage to shields, barriers, and armor per shot as Shepard, then I guess the Tempest would be the best SMG to use for my NPCs.
I've been habitually using the Eviserator as the go-to shotgun for my squadmates, but I guess I'll be switching to the Guess Shotgun.
As for handguns, I'm beginning to wonder why I ever bother if I'm just going to use a shotgun or SMG most of the time, but so far, it seems to be Carniflex vs Phalanx.
I was wondering about the Tempest/Locust thing myself. According to the wiki, the Locust has a higher base damage, but then you have to put the reduced damage of your squadmates into consideration. However, it seems to have a faster rate of fire, and I'm not sure if squadmates have modified damage to defenses: if squadmates do the same amount of damage to shields, barriers, and armor per shot as Shepard, then I guess the Tempest would be the best SMG to use for my NPCs.
I've been habitually using the Eviserator as the go-to shotgun for my squadmates, but I guess I'll be switching to the Guess Shotgun.
As for handguns, I'm beginning to wonder why I ever bother if I'm just going to use a shotgun or SMG most of the time, but so far, it seems to be Carniflex vs Phalanx.
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Posté 01 janvier 2011 - 12:47
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Order of Aquisition:
Jacob:
M-8
Cerberus Shotgun
Miranda:
SMG
Cerberus Shotgun
Mordin
SMG
Viper
Garrus
Mattock
Incissor
Grunt
revenant
geth shotty/cerberus shotty/claymore
Jack
m-8
scimitar/cerberus shotty/geth shotty
Tali
geth pulse Rifle
geth shoty
Samara
Vindicator
SMG
Thane
Vindicator
viper
legion
Geth pulse Rifle
widow
Jacob:
M-8
Cerberus Shotgun
Miranda:
SMG
Cerberus Shotgun
Mordin
SMG
Viper
Garrus
Mattock
Incissor
Grunt
revenant
geth shotty/cerberus shotty/claymore
Jack
m-8
scimitar/cerberus shotty/geth shotty
Tali
geth pulse Rifle
geth shoty
Samara
Vindicator
SMG
Thane
Vindicator
viper
legion
Geth pulse Rifle
widow
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Posté 02 janvier 2011 - 12:27
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I think in past discussions, the consensus about squaddie SMGs was:
- Tempest = shoot more = deal more damage vs shields = exposing themselves longer
- Locust = shoot the least = deal the least damage vs shields (but more effective vs armor) = exposing themselves less
- Shuriken = burst firing = deal decent damage vs shields = exposing themselves the least
And generally, burst-firing weapons were preferred because they offer good damage vs. less time being exposed, so it's Vindicator, Shuriken, and Incisor.
I don't think there is a "best smg" because if you're a very aggressive player and you want to max squadmate's weapon performance, then they should use the Tempest because you'll rarely have to worry about them getting shot at. On the other hand, if you prefer to hide in cover a lot, enemies will not shoot you, they will shoot your team instead, so the Locust or Shuriken may better since your team will go back in cover more often.
In any case, I find the squad AI generally want to take the role of suppressive fire and the proper positions relative to you. If I rush ahead to a flanking position, my team will hang back position themselves so that we'll all hit the same target at two different angles. Personally, I find Miranda to be too aggressive with the Tempest, but I'll give Mordin that weapon because he can take a beating better than the rest with his passive shield boost. Love that guy.
As for AR's, I like the Mattock not so much of the damage, but their unique sound tells me where my squadmates are. Teammates using SRs will take longer to set up a shot, but they all deal a lot of damage. Mantis is the safest, deals good damage but also the slowest, the Viper deals more damage but they won't shoot as fast as you do, and it exposes the shooter longer. Incisor is just plain sick.
- Tempest = shoot more = deal more damage vs shields = exposing themselves longer
- Locust = shoot the least = deal the least damage vs shields (but more effective vs armor) = exposing themselves less
- Shuriken = burst firing = deal decent damage vs shields = exposing themselves the least
And generally, burst-firing weapons were preferred because they offer good damage vs. less time being exposed, so it's Vindicator, Shuriken, and Incisor.
I don't think there is a "best smg" because if you're a very aggressive player and you want to max squadmate's weapon performance, then they should use the Tempest because you'll rarely have to worry about them getting shot at. On the other hand, if you prefer to hide in cover a lot, enemies will not shoot you, they will shoot your team instead, so the Locust or Shuriken may better since your team will go back in cover more often.
In any case, I find the squad AI generally want to take the role of suppressive fire and the proper positions relative to you. If I rush ahead to a flanking position, my team will hang back position themselves so that we'll all hit the same target at two different angles. Personally, I find Miranda to be too aggressive with the Tempest, but I'll give Mordin that weapon because he can take a beating better than the rest with his passive shield boost. Love that guy.
As for AR's, I like the Mattock not so much of the damage, but their unique sound tells me where my squadmates are. Teammates using SRs will take longer to set up a shot, but they all deal a lot of damage. Mantis is the safest, deals good damage but also the slowest, the Viper deals more damage but they won't shoot as fast as you do, and it exposes the shooter longer. Incisor is just plain sick.
