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[Last Vizard]

I don't like the idea of getting alien help to save Earth, i'm the type of person that gets annoyed when someone offers help... its a sign of weakness to need help, i will give help without expecting anything in return though, If Earth is saved soley by aliens then i will be very dissapointed in our race.

At the end of ME1 in the battle for the citadel, i let the council die along with 10,000 equally weak aliens... The weak need to be protected by the strong unless they are fools, then they can sleep in the beds they made...
Reason 1. I wasn't sure if helping them would cause more losses to 5th fleet than need be
Reason 2. I wanted to see if a new council would listen.... and we all know how that goes in ME2, but as much as i hate it, it is realistic that they want to take the easy option and just say it was a Geth Dreadnaught (we all know how weak the leaders of today are)
Reason 3. Why the hell should it take so long for us to be given a seat on the council? from what i read on Cerberus news, the Turians just do whatever the hell the want, there is no enlightenment needed to be on the council, so i wanted to kill them for being hipocrites
Reason 4. Don't get me started on the Asari.... they are parasites that needs the DNA of other races to continue to evolve, that waste of credits dreadnaught the Asari built was nothing but a way for the cowards on the council to run from the citadel...

Don't get me wrong, I understand the threat the Reapers pose, i just want a damn good reason for them making it to Earth, the Relays are a little loop hole to imposible task it is to travel faster than light.... ok now this is where someone says "but Reapers are advance and stuff" how then did 5th fleet kill one? it wasn't a transdimentional ship that could create or destroy matter with nothing but a thought, they are just a little more advance than us.

How many years pass between ME2 and ME3?
long enough for most large ships to be refitted with the Reaper tech thalix cannons?
How long has Cerberus been unlocking the secrets of the Collector base?
Does Earth Have mass accelerator weapons  that can target objects in space? (thats what got the Reaper that is suspended in the gas giant.... so they at least hurt them)
How far have we taken fusion/fission and other power sources like that?
How many nuclear type weapons have we developed?
How many Reapers are there and how many attack Earth?
If it is possible to suck so bad that Earth is defeated... can we detonate every nuke and experimental weapon on Earth to take out a great many Reapers?

Truely united, I don't think a great many things could stop mankind... My understanding of the situation is that the Reapers have been royally screwed by the Protheans, the thalix cannon, Collector base, wreckage of the Collector ship and all the other ships floating near the relay..... this isn't the same game the Reapers are used to playing every 50,000 years, all thats left for them is to go all in.

Bring Adept back to ME1 OP days when using singularity meant the fight was already over... I'm not a big fan of balancing in games, who would win out of a mage and a warrior? there is no possible way for a powerful magecan be killed by even an army of the greatest warriors, watch the cut scenes in Mass effect, those with biotic powers are gods of war... why nerf that?... this excuse "because its too easy then" is stupid, play as a lesser being then and go soldier or something lol

[applehug]

Well seeing as how all of the galaxy is in a war with a species that has never lost one we may need a little help.

[darknoon5]

You humans are all racist!

Modifié par darknoon5, 31 décembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[Dionkey]

Is OP the Illusive Man?

[Sidac]

I agree with the OP. I let the council die due to the same facts s/he did. Im not a huge fan of the same plot of DA:O spread over 3 games. Which is why I threw the galaxy into complete chaos in ME1 and ME2.

@applehug no species has gotten as far as humans have. Who says we arnt ont he cusp of winning this ourselves? The precious alien council sure likes jamming their thumbs up their arse

Modifié par Sidac, 31 décembre 2010 - 11:34 .

[Last Vizard]

Dionkey wrote...

Is OP the Illusive Man?

Shepperd? who gave you clearance to view this?...... it was Miranda wasn't it.

[KingDan97]

Dionkey wrote...

Is OP the Illusive Man?

Is OP actually being Xenophobic about a video game? I mean... unless this is all in character... Let me try something.
((This is not a RP forum, you don't need to act so passionate))

If that doesn't work... I don't know what will.

[VyseN1]

How is it weak seeking help against a common enemy that threatens all life in the galaxy? It isn't even like the Reapers will only destroy Earth, they will kill all the other races as well.

You mention the Thalix Cannon, that is from the Turians. So by your logic, humans are weak to accept that form of help.

Modifié par VyseN1, 31 décembre 2010 - 11:44 .

[Count Viceroy]

Op is a real word 'vizard'...

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 31 décembre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Last Vizard]

KingDan97 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Is OP the Illusive Man?

Is OP actually being Xenophobic about a video game? I mean... unless this is all in character... Let me try something.
((This is not a RP forum, you don't need to act so passionate))

If that doesn't work... I don't know what will.

lol yeah i get pretty passionate about a good game, noval or something to do with history, i just compare parts of the situation to real life or things that have occured in history.... I would be Xenophobic if we encounter other sentient life in my lifetime (not gonna happen).

[KingDan97]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Op is a real word 'vizard'...

Vizard is from Bleach, not a typo. I won't go into all the details but if you were implying he got it wrong he likely didn't.

Although if it was just a pun then I don't really have anything to say.

[shnizzler93]

"It's simply the duty of the elite to protect the ignorant masses."



Tell me where that is from and you get a cookie.



hint: it's a translated line

[Count Viceroy]

KingDan97 wrote...

Although if it was just a pun then I don't really have anything to say.

People were drawing similarities between him and the illusive man, and that man can talk. Thought I'd jump on the pun train.

[Last Vizard]

VyseN1 wrote...

How is it weak seeking help against a common enemy that threatens all life in the galaxy? It isn't even like the Reapers will only destroy Earth, they will kill all the other races as well.

You mention the Thalix Cannon, that is from the Turians. So by your logic, humans are weak to accept that form of help.

1.The Turians back engineered from pieces of the Reapers main gun.... how is that from Turians? Mankind can buy them from the Turians then back engineer it ourselves, i don't see where the help is from the Turians.
2. The weak cling to each other, many weak will band together to fight a commo enemy....  If you need others to help do something than that makes you weak.

Take WW2 as an Example:


On the "Allies" side : primarily Great Britain, France, Soviet Union, USA, China, Canada. Poland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, the Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Belgium, Denmark and Norway also joined the allies. The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers but switched sides so did Finland and Romania. By 1945, almost the whole world were at war with the Axis.

On the "Axis" side: primarily Germany, Italy, and Japan. The axis also included minor powers such as Finland, Slovenia, Hungary, Manchkuo, Romania, Thailand, Persia and more.

~Italy also changed sides half way through the war.

If you know anything about WW2, then you would know it took the effort of most of the world to defeat Germany, Germany was strong, the alies were weak so they needed to band together... (Hitler was evil, but he made Germany the most powerful nation the world had ever seen)

[Last Vizard]

KingDan97 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Op is a real word 'vizard'...

Vizard is from Bleach, not a typo. I won't go into all the details but if you were implying he got it wrong he likely didn't.

Although if it was just a pun then I don't really have anything to say.

Yes its from Bleach

[shnizzler93]

Last Vizard wrote...

 The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers

No it wasn't. They just signed a non-aggression pact. nothing more

[lovgreno]

It is a sign of weakness to not ask for help when you need it. Shepard needs to swallow his/her pride and accept alien help to save what can be saved of humanity. Kind of like how he/she was forced to accept the help of Cerberus in ME2. In the name of survival Shepard should accept kissing the boots of batarians, TIMmy, the turian councilour etc...

Sure, humanity may be able to win alone (with the help of that space wizard deus ex machina that hypoteticaly may be in the Collector base perhaps) but i bet they will have a much better chance with some galactic superpowers on their side.

Modifié par lovgreno, 01 janvier 2011 - 12:22 .

[Last Vizard]

shnizzler93 wrote...

"It's simply the duty of the elite to protect the ignorant masses."

Tell me where that is from and you get a cookie.

hint: it's a translated line

Asuka on Evangelion?
I think they must have quoted it from someone else though

[Last Vizard]

shnizzler93 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

 The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers

No it wasn't. They just signed a non-aggression pact. nothing more

This is true, but the point still stands

[Last Vizard]

lovgreno wrote...

It is a sign of weakness to not ask for help when you need it. Shepard needs to swallow his/her pride and accept alien help to save what can be saved of humanity. Kind of like how he/she was forced to accept the help of Cerberus in ME2. In the name of survival Shepard should accept kissing the boots of batarians, TIMmy, the turian councilour etc...

Sure, humanity may be able to win alone (with the help of that space wizard deus ex machina that hypoteticaly may be in the Collector base perhaps) but i bet they will have a much better chance with some galactic superpowers on their side.

That would be held over Humanity till the end of days, If Humanity throws away its self respect, whats the point? wouldn't a race who bows when things get difficult be better off lost to time?

[VyseN1]

Last Vizard wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

How is it weak seeking help against a common enemy that threatens all life in the galaxy? It isn't even like the Reapers will only destroy Earth, they will kill all the other races as well.

You mention the Thalix Cannon, that is from the Turians. So by your logic, humans are weak to accept that form of help.

1.The Turians back engineered from pieces of the Reapers main gun.... how is that from Turians? Mankind can buy them from the Turians then back engineer it ourselves, i don't see where the help is from the Turians.
2. The weak cling to each other, many weak will band together to fight a commo enemy....  If you need others to help do something than that makes you weak.

Take WW2 as an Example:


On the "Allies" side : primarily Great Britain, France, Soviet Union, USA, China, Canada. Poland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, the Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Belgium, Denmark and Norway also joined the allies. The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers but switched sides so did Finland and Romania. By 1945, almost the whole world were at war with the Axis.

On the "Axis" side: primarily Germany, Italy, and Japan. The axis also included minor powers such as Finland, Slovenia, Hungary, Manchkuo, Romania, Thailand, Persia and more.

~Italy also changed sides half way through the war.

If you know anything about WW2, then you would know it took the effort of most of the world to defeat Germany, Germany was strong, the alies were weak so they needed to band together... (Hitler was evil, but he made Germany the most powerful nation the world had ever seen)

The point still stands, Turians were the ones who reverse engineered the technology. Buying it from the Turians is still a form of help. By your logic, humans are weak to use the Thanix Cannons.

Rather have a coaliton of "good, weak" countries than a single "evil, strong" country any day. Guess that made what the Germans did in WW2 is ok in your book. As long as it made them strong, who cares if they are guilty of genocide.

Modifié par VyseN1, 01 janvier 2011 - 12:40 .

[Viola Faye]

Who cares about weakness, swallow your pride and bare with it like a man.It's a matter of living or dying.

Comparing Hitler IMHO with Reapers is hilarious at best!Sure, it's easier to preach about one man fragile pride and desire for respect in video games but when lives are at stake IRL, all you need to think of is bare survival.

Compromise and surrounding your self with allies is sign of weakness?Many generals\\leaders would disagree.

You would rather keep your self respect at cost of losing .. everything else?

You know nothing of war boy.

You also forget one important thing, Hitler was defeated and thats all that matters .

[azerSheppard]

Last Vizard wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

How is it weak seeking help against a common enemy that threatens all life in the galaxy? It isn't even like the Reapers will only destroy Earth, they will kill all the other races as well.

You mention the Thalix Cannon, that is from the Turians. So by your logic, humans are weak to accept that form of help.

1.The Turians back engineered from pieces of the Reapers main gun.... how is that from Turians? Mankind can buy them from the Turians then back engineer it ourselves, i don't see where the help is from the Turians.
2. The weak cling to each other, many weak will band together to fight a commo enemy....  If you need others to help do something than that makes you weak.

Take WW2 as an Example:


On the "Allies" side : primarily Great Britain, France, Soviet Union, USA, China, Canada. Poland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, the Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Belgium, Denmark and Norway also joined the allies. The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers but switched sides so did Finland and Romania. By 1945, almost the whole world were at war with the Axis.

On the "Axis" side: primarily Germany, Italy, and Japan. The axis also included minor powers such as Finland, Slovenia, Hungary, Manchkuo, Romania, Thailand, Persia and more.

~Italy also changed sides half way through the war.

If you know anything about WW2, then you would know it took the effort of most of the world to defeat Germany, Germany was strong, the alies were weak so they needed to band together... (Hitler was evil, but he made Germany the most powerful nation the world had ever seen)

Something tells me you aren't European.... The only reason Adolf got any progress was due to the lack of combatants.

US was too scared of economical fallout due to war, Russia wanted more power, wasn't in the least interested in fighting Germany. China's involvement was limited to their own Coasts, against Japan. Poland got destroyed waaay before it could even do anything, shared between the Germans and Russians when they had a treaty.

The Canadiens and Americans came into the picture much later, by than Adolf had already defeated the leftist part of France, ofcourse he received help from the French nationalists(50% of total population), who supported him.
Australia was barely active.
The Netherlands was "defeated" in about a day. 80% of them conspired with the **** regime. New Zealand, South Africa, India, shouldnt even be mentioned, I mean, what did they even do?

England was foolish enough with their appeasement politics, they caused a ****storm, allowing Germany to arm itself, eventhough according to the WWI treaties, it wasn't allowed to.

So yeah, here is the power of the Allies:
France (50% collaborators) surrendered.
Great Brittain, fought with it's Royal airforce, limited ground troups due to distance, felt safe oversees<--- shouldn't have.
Russia, first conspired with ****'s, was late to realise betrayal.
US, joined when they realised Adolf was going to take all over. (a little late)
All the others where as usefull as Saudia Arabia was in the war against the taliban.

Whilst the Germans had the Japanese air-force, and that of their own, and the support of Itally, which fought England off on Africa.
Germany wasn't really powerfull, their enemies where too soft. If France and England had attacked Adolf when he was still arming himself, it would have ended right there. But noooo, they thought Adolf would never go to war:innocent:
This coming from someone living in Belgium.


Can Shepard navigate his ship? Does he know about it's engines? NO, he needs people for that, without allies he is nothing. How can earth defeat the Reapers in any logical way? It took their entire fleet to take down one Reaper, how do you expect them to defeat a horde? Sending in Germany maybe?

Modifié par azerSheppard, 01 janvier 2011 - 12:47 .

[VyseN1]

azerSheppard wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

How is it weak seeking help against a common enemy that threatens all life in the galaxy? It isn't even like the Reapers will only destroy Earth, they will kill all the other races as well.

You mention the Thalix Cannon, that is from the Turians. So by your logic, humans are weak to accept that form of help.

1.The Turians back engineered from pieces of the Reapers main gun.... how is that from Turians? Mankind can buy them from the Turians then back engineer it ourselves, i don't see where the help is from the Turians.
2. The weak cling to each other, many weak will band together to fight a commo enemy....  If you need others to help do something than that makes you weak.

Take WW2 as an Example:


On the "Allies" side : primarily Great Britain, France, Soviet Union, USA, China, Canada. Poland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, the Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Belgium, Denmark and Norway also joined the allies. The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers but switched sides so did Finland and Romania. By 1945, almost the whole world were at war with the Axis.

On the "Axis" side: primarily Germany, Italy, and Japan. The axis also included minor powers such as Finland, Slovenia, Hungary, Manchkuo, Romania, Thailand, Persia and more.

~Italy also changed sides half way through the war.

If you know anything about WW2, then you would know it took the effort of most of the world to defeat Germany, Germany was strong, the alies were weak so they needed to band together... (Hitler was evil, but he made Germany the most powerful nation the world had ever seen)

Something tells me you aren't European.... The only reason Adolf got any progress was due to the lack of combatants.

US was too scared of economical fallout due to war, Russia wanted more power, wasn't in the least interested in fighting Germany. China's involvement was limited to their own Coasts, against Japan. Poland got destroyed waaay before it could even do anything, shared between the Germans and Russians when they had a treaty.

The Canadiens and Americans came into the picture much later, by than Adolf had already defeated the leftist part of France, ofcourse he received help from the French nationalists(50% of total population), who supported him.
Australia was barely active.
The Netherlands was "defeated" in about a day. 80% of them conspired with the **** regime. New Zealand, South Africa, India, shouldnt even be mentioned, I mean, what did they even do?

England was foolish enough with their appeasement politics, they caused a ****storm, allowing Germany to arm itself, eventhough according to the WWI treaties, it wasn't allowed to.

So yeah, here is the power of the Allies:
France (50% collaborators) surrendered.
Great Brittain, fought with it's Royal airforce, limited ground troups due to distance, felt safe oversees<--- shouldn't have.
Russia, first conspired with ****'s, was late to realise betrayal.
US, joined when they realised Adolf was going to take all over. (a little late)
All the others where as usefull as Saudia Arabia was in the war against the taliban.

Whilst the Germans had the Japanese air-force, and that of their own, and the support of Itally, which fought England off on Africa.
Germany wasn't really powerfull, their enemies where too soft. If France and England had attacked Adolf when he was still arming himself, it would have ended right there. But noooo, they thought Adolf would never go to war:innocent:
This coming from someone living in Belgium.


Can Shepard navigate his ship? Does he know about it's engines? NO, he needs people for that, without allies he is nothing. How can earth defeat the Reapers in any logical way? It took their entire fleet to take down one Reaper, how do you expect them to defeat a horde? Sending in Germany maybe?

Said it better than I could have .

[Last Vizard]

VyseN1 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

VyseN1 wrote...

How is it weak seeking help against a common enemy that threatens all life in the galaxy? It isn't even like the Reapers will only destroy Earth, they will kill all the other races as well.

You mention the Thalix Cannon, that is from the Turians. So by your logic, humans are weak to accept that form of help.

1.The Turians back engineered from pieces of the Reapers main gun.... how is that from Turians? Mankind can buy them from the Turians then back engineer it ourselves, i don't see where the help is from the Turians.
2. The weak cling to each other, many weak will band together to fight a commo enemy....  If you need others to help do something than that makes you weak.

Take WW2 as an Example:


On the "Allies" side : primarily Great Britain, France, Soviet Union, USA, China, Canada. Poland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, the Netherlands, Czechslovakia, Belgium, Denmark and Norway also joined the allies. The Soviet Union was initially part of the Axis Powers but switched sides so did Finland and Romania. By 1945, almost the whole world were at war with the Axis.

On the "Axis" side: primarily Germany, Italy, and Japan. The axis also included minor powers such as Finland, Slovenia, Hungary, Manchkuo, Romania, Thailand, Persia and more.

~Italy also changed sides half way through the war.

If you know anything about WW2, then you would know it took the effort of most of the world to defeat Germany, Germany was strong, the alies were weak so they needed to band together... (Hitler was evil, but he made Germany the most powerful nation the world had ever seen)

The point still stands, Turians were the ones who reverse engineered the technology. Buying it from the Turians is still a form of help. By your logic, humans are weak to use the Thanix Cannons.

Rather have a coaliton of "good, weak" countries than a single "evil, strong" country any day. Guess that made what the Germans did in WW2 is ok in your book. As long as it made them strong, who cares if they are guilty of genocide.

I did state that Hitler was evil, if i though it was ok then i would have said that it was necessary what he did or something like that, you also like to say "using my logic" its your interpretation of what i said, If the Turians developed the cannon themselves and we used their tech and scientists after a war then i would say the technologically the were superior to us, but that isn't what is happening.