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[Saibh]

THE FOLLOWING IS CONTEXT:

So, as this thread was quick to find, in the XBL Marketplace, there are new clothes for your avatar, named after a mysterious fellow named Orsino. They look like this:



We all wondered what this could mean, until the magnifent Eorion_Moonwing pointed out this image:



The robes are a bit abstract, but there's no mistaking that staff. Evidently our Orsino fellow is an elven mage. But what's especially interesting is the person on the right. Look familiar? She should.



Same hood with the stripe, same big pointy Spindle of Death diadem, same long, light hair.

THE FOLLOWING IS SPECULATION:

Well it appears then, that we have our big leaders for the Mage vs Chantry/Templars conflict that we've all speculated was coming. It's possible that we're looking at an Elf vs Chantry conflict, but that seems unlikely.

They're each on one side of the screen, Orsino with his staff held out, and Spindle Lady with her Chantry shield and sword out. Clearly they're not getting along. As many have speculated, it seems like they are opposing forces and you must take a side.

In the Rise to Power trailer, we see her blessing or somehow celebrating Hawke as he mounts a set of stairs (possibly the ones behind her in the above screenshot). Wearing the mage outfit--although he's not necessarily a mage. If he is, that would appear to indicate there's not a big conflict of interest preventing a mage to side with the templars. Of course, we don't know that's the case.

We know that Hawke always has some sort of familial connection to mages--either his sister, Bethany, or through himself. As for how much this might change the game, I can't say--does Bethany take the mages side against Hawke, should she live? Does the reverse happen--will Carver take the Chantry's side if Hawke sides with the mages?

Modifié par Saibh, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:50 .

[Negix]

The blessing simply could be some kind of crowning ceremony. it could occur before the outbreak of the chantry vs. templar conflict.

[saMoorai]

I Doubt Carver would side with the chantry since he grew up with mages.

[svenus97]

That mark on his robe, isn't that the Chantry Eye ? It probably doesn't make sense since he is an elf, and male, but what if it's something like a chantry civil war ?

[DarthCaine]

Saibh wrote...

In the Rise to Power trailer, we see her blessing or somehow celebrating Hawke as he mounts a set of stairs (possibly the ones behind her in the above screenshot). More than that, we see mage Hawke doing so.

Actually no. Back then the outfit we see in promos was the Warrior's Default and Mike Ladlaw confirmed the trailer features footage from both Warrior and Mage Hawke, so they used the outfit for both

[Negix]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

I Doubt Carver would side with the chantry since he grew up with mages.

propably hes jealous... "they can do all these things and i cant thats injust"...

[Negix]

svenus97 wrote...

That mark on his robe, isn't that the Chantry Eye ? It probably doesn't make sense since he is an elf, and male, but what if it's something like a chantry civil war ?

Tevinter vs Orlais would make sense. they hate each other like hell and the tevinter chantry allows mages as far as i know (Archons)

[lv12medic]

My guess is that the magi and chantry start duking it out with each other and essentially neutralize each other, and then the Qunari move in. This makes sense to me considering that the only thing that can hold back the Qunari militarily is the mages working with the armies of Thedas. If the mages are tied up in a conflict with the Chantry, or the Chantry refuses to let Mages support in a war effort against a Qunari invasion, the Qunari can walk right over everyone.

This is why, if I were a military commander in Thedas, I would still want to get my grubby little hands on Qunari cannons and gunpowder. Even though mages are better, only mages can be mages. Any soldier can be trained to operate a cannon.

*edit* I don't know about Bethany or Carver.  Hopefully they make up their own minds and not just automatically do the opposite of what Hawke chooses *end edit*

Modifié par lv12medic, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:55 .

[request denied]

Its a great story line and would be great to play out !

[Saibh]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

I Doubt Carver would side with the chantry since he grew up with mages.

Very true--but it's possible he disagrees with the Chantry's policy of locking up mages while still being a devout Andrastian. His brother/sister moving loyalties to a faction who might be trying to destroy the Chantry could push him to side against Hawke.

DarthCaine wrote...

Saibh wrote...

In the Rise to Power trailer, we see her blessing or somehow celebrating Hawke as he mounts a set of stairs (possibly the ones behind her in the above screenshot). More than that, we see mage Hawke doing so.

Actually no. Back then the outfit we see in promos was the Warrior's Default and Mike Ladlaw confirmed the trailer features footage from both Warrior and Mage Hawke, so they used the outfit for both

Thanks. I couldn't remember when we made the distinction--I'll change it now.

[Amagoi]

Negix wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

I Doubt Carver would side with the chantry since he grew up with mages.

propably hes jealous... "they can do all these things and i cant thats injust"...

It would make sense. Just about everyone in his family can wield awesome powers, and they have a bond with each other with that. That would make anyone feel like a black sheep and more than a bit jealous.

Still, I hope he doesn't turn out that way.

Negix wrote...

svenus97 wrote...

That mark
on his robe, isn't that the Chantry Eye ? It probably doesn't make sense
since he is an elf, and male, but what if it's something like a chantry
civil war ?

Tevinter vs Orlais would make sense. they hate
each other like hell and the tevinter chantry allows mages as far as i
know (Archons)

I suspect Orisini is a very high ranking Libertarian, judging from the conversation we had with Wynne in Awakenings. Though I really doubt the Imperial Chantry is trying to stretch it's influence. The Tevinters are constantly busy with the Qunari.

It would be interesting though, if he was both a devout Andrastian and a Libertarian. It would make him a bit more relatable as a leader rather than some crazy mage who wants to break away from the Chantry and cause chaos.

[saMoorai]

It Would Be nice to See Carver have to make a choice between his Family and his Religion.

[request denied]

How much religion do you think would be in an apostate family ?

[saMoorai]

I Have my doubts with the hawke family believing in the Chantry. I Meant that if Carver was religious it would be interesting. if he had to make that choice.

[Negix]

request denied wrote...

How much religion do you think would be in an apostate family ?

well thats hard to tell. the chant doesn't say something about the circle (at least not specifically) and the mages collective for example is most likely not all anti-maker. i guess as long as they are no bloodmages they can live absolutely chant conform, thus they can be very religious.

[Amagoi]

Just because they're apostates doesn't mean they automatically hate the Chantry. It's possible they're devout Andrastians, but just don't believe mages should be caged in the Circle.

[DARKHAWKEaxel]

 hte elf was a slave is what i heard so maybe that he s just wearing any clothes that he found and the fact that he was infused with lyrium i think its not going to be the mages but then again he could hate humanes all in all like most stronge free elves do

[errant_knight]

Negix wrote...

svenus97 wrote...

That mark on his robe, isn't that the Chantry Eye ? It probably doesn't make sense since he is an elf, and male, but what if it's something like a chantry civil war ?

Tevinter vs Orlais would make sense. they hate each other like hell and the tevinter chantry allows mages as far as i know (Archons)

This is a very interesting idea to me, and wouldn't that just be a perfect time for the Qunari to take advantage of the instability.

[Roth]

Nice thread! Personally, I think the supposed conflict is between mages and templars within the Chantry, not between mages and Chantry. This would explain why the chantry is in ruins by the time Cassandra interrogates Varric. There probably will be some mages, such as Loyalists, on the Chantry's side though.



My 2 cents.

[errant_knight]

Amagoi wrote...

Just because they're apostates doesn't mean they automatically hate the Chantry. It's possible they're devout Andrastians, but just don't believe mages should be caged in the Circle.

Yes, we see similar things in most religion, with some people not believing in every practise. It's not a big stretch.

[Saibh]

errant_knight wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

Just because they're apostates doesn't mean they automatically hate the Chantry. It's possible they're devout Andrastians, but just don't believe mages should be caged in the Circle.

Yes, we see similar things in most religion, with some people not believing in every practise. It's not a big stretch.

I once made an analogy (about loyal Qun followers who are also Tal'Vashoth mages, I believe) between a devout Christian who is also gay. They aren't exclusive, even if they conflict.

It's possible that Carver doesn't agree with locking up mages (or, hell, maybe he does), but also wouldn't be willing to fight with them against the Chantry. As a side note, there's also a giant Chantry right in Lothering, so it's a good place to get your religion on. Also, another (silly) side note: What if he had a crush on Leliana? Wouldn't that be hilarious.

Modifié par Saibh, 31 décembre 2010 - 11:51 .

[Negix]

Saibh wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Amagoi wrote...

Just because they're apostates doesn't mean they automatically hate the Chantry. It's possible they're devout Andrastians, but just don't believe mages should be caged in the Circle.

Yes, we see similar things in most religion, with some people not believing in every practise. It's not a big stretch.

I once made an analogy (about loyal Qun followers who are also Tal'Vashoth mages, I believe) between a devout Christian who is also gay. They aren't exclusive, even if they conflict.

It's possible that Carver doesn't agree with locking up mages (or, hell, maybe he does), but also wouldn't be willing to fight with them against the Chantry. As a side note, there's also a giant Chantry right in Lothering, so it's a good place to get your religion on. Also, another (silly) side note: What if he had a crush on Leliana? Wouldn't that be hilarious.

ohhh yes it would xD^^. would be kinda interesting to see his reaction if she runs of with some stranger who is searched by the authorities xDD.

[request denied]

Saibh wrote...

 Also, another (silly) side note: What if he had a crush on Leliana? Wouldn't that be hilarious.

 Great point i had forgoten the Hawke family is from Lothering they might know of Leliana .

[Amagoi]

Something about a companion in one game having a crush on a companion in the last one is pretty cute and funny to me. That'd be an awesome dialogue! If only...

[Dave of Canada]

Carver: Leliana, I've got something to tell you!
Leliana: Oh, what is it?
Carver: Well, we've known each other since you've...
Leliana: Yes?
Carver: Yes you've come here... and you're not affirmed... would you like to go ou-
*Warden shows up with Sten, Alistair and Rabbit*
Warden: Hey, you're the nearest rogue I can find and I got this locked box filled with Blank Vellum that needs opening. Want to tag along, stop the Blight and you might or might not die at the Urn of Sacred Ashes?
Leliana: Yes, of course. Sorry Carver, we're going to have to finish this another time.
Carver: but...
*Leliana leaves with the Warden, Sten, Alistair and Rabbit*
Carver: ... I love you.
*Hawke walks in from behind*
Hawke: Don't worry, we're only at the start of the game. You've got another ten years to go, possibly challenging me in a relationship I want to participate in and getting crushed as I leveled my persuade talent to four and convince her to leave you!
Carver: But...
Hawke: It'll be fun!

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 01 janvier 2011 - 12:11 .