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[Reptilian Rob]

In regards to this thread. 

*Trollface*

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 02 janvier 2011 - 07:46 .

[Bugsie]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Then what made you think my post was aimed at you among others?

I’m merely responding to your assertion that those people who don’t like threads like this only complain to mods about them rather than justifying why they like the character as a response. But considering what the original poster said and asked, there is very little to respond too “I hate Tali, she’s annoying, who else thinks like this”, my response “I like Tali she’s not annoying.” Even though there have been some well thought out responses the original posting is naive at best inflammatory at worst.

Modifié par Buggirl70, 02 janvier 2011 - 08:47 .

[EpicGamerMonkey]

Am I the only one who had a love interest with Tali?



My first run, I hooked up with Jack and Tali. Ruined my chance with Miranda, which I didn't mind, almost got Samara, completely missed Kelly.



Tali was probably my favorite female squad mate.

[luakel]

Kinda off topic, but reading through this thread I'm wondering if there's a correlation between morality and liking/disliking Tali. Just because some of the people who always defend Cerberus and Renegade choices are the same ones complaining about Tali's character in here... maybe there's a connection between Paragons and Tali as a LI too, I dunno. I guess it would make sense though, since Tali is more Paragon of an LI than a Cerberus operative and an unashamed murderer.

EpicGamerMonkey wrote...
Am I the only one who had a love interest with Tali? 

Nope, she was my LI both times I've played through, the latter time I tried to stay loyal to Liara but couldn't, turning down Tali just felt wrong...

Modifié par luakel, 02 janvier 2011 - 08:35 .

[TheodoricFriede]

So i see we are allowed to make hate threads now?

Well, isnt this just dandy.
The answer is no, because you aren't the only one who hates tali, and as a tali fan i can tell you that you most certainly aren't the only troll. Your just the only one allowed to have his own forum.

Hate the character if you want, but dont start a thread about it. This is absolutely the most childish thing i have ever seen.

Modifié par TheodoricFriede, 02 janvier 2011 - 08:48 .

[Addai]

luakel wrote...

Kinda off topic, but reading through this thread I'm wondering if there's a correlation between morality and liking/disliking Tali. Just because some of the people who always defend Cerberus and Renegade choices are the same ones complaining about Tali's character in here... maybe there's a connection between Paragons and Tali as a LI too, I dunno. I guess it would make sense though, since Tali is more Paragon of an LI than a Cerberus operative and an unashamed murderer.

I did play a mostly renegade character, and I do tend to like the edgier squad members more.  Too much cute and the circuits overload.  I thought Tali's diary entry where she was wishing Shepard was there was weird, especially as my PC didn't interact with her much.

I didn't play pro-Cerberus, though, and didn't really like that renegade= pro-Cerberus in ME2.  I played it as skeptical of Cerberus but willing to do what it takes to defeat the Collectors.

[Troodon80]

Tali: I can't be the only one that wanted to send her out the airlock.

Well, clearly not. But, obviously, you are in a very small minority compared to the number of people willing to actually start a thread about your apparent hatred towards said character.

Negative points about Tali have been discussed in quite a few of the groups around; personality flaws, discretions in her plot, etc. We are civil about it. We are respectful of those opinions so long as the poster is also respectful.

So far, I've seen maybe one, possibly two negative points that I would agree with, and they have come from Ragabul the Ontarah, who has already said she likes Tali. So far, the only comments I've seen about why to hate or dislike Tali are mainly "meh, she's too perfect" or "'cause I can" type of posts. Such posts should be elaborated on to provide some sort of reasoning, or perhaps even evidence. But none of the points so far would lead to me "hating" Tali.

Evidence such as "she held a gun to Legions face," do not count. You'll have to forgive me if I wouldn't forgive and forget the race of machines that almost wiped out my race either(obviously not in a literal sense, just for those of you who decide to pick this apart and talk about it as a reality; that humanity hasn't been wiped out by a race of machines, and that this is all fiction, etc, etc,), things like that take time. But Tali does soften slightly and offer some non-damning information to Legion. I'd call this progress. Perhaps an unfathomable progression from unbridled hatred to understanding of Legions' actions, but progression nevertheless. This should also not been seen as a flaw, but rather some sort of understanding toward the geth and perhaps their actions. The same can also be said about her agreement with Legion over Admiral Xen's opinions and objectives. Even Tali understands that an all-out war would see the rest of the quarians becoming extinct.

I will say that the point about her and Legion has had some debate in the groups I frequent to no ill affect. People usually end with "we will agree to disagree" should that be the case, and move on. Threads such as these offer no new insightful information about the character, due to the fact that they usually attract like-minded "I hate [insert character name], who's with me?" individuals who do not analyse the character past what is on the surface.

Also; as the OP could have worded both the title and the post better, I'll assume it was intentional or that the person simply didn't put any sort of thought process into it (both equally as bad). It would have taken about a minute to think of a less insulting or inflammatory way of expression his/her displeasure or dislike towards said character. Simply mashing away at you keyboard without thinking of the community as a whole gets you a response like this, and all the ones before it.

I’m merely responding to your assertion that those people who don’t like threads like this only complain to mods about them rather than justifying why they like the character as a response. But considering what the original poster said and asked, there is very little to respond too “I hate Tali, she’s annoying, who else thinks like this”, my response “I like Tali she’s not annoying.” Even though there have been some well thought out responses the original posting is naive at best inflammatory at worst.

This.

To answer the question apparently posed; No. I don't hate Tali. Nor do I even dislike Tali.

She is a likeable character who does have flaws.

Modifié par Troodon80, 02 janvier 2011 - 10:20 .

[Addai]

Troodon80 wrote...
So far, I've seen maybe one, possibly two negative points that I would agree with, and they have come from Ragabul the Ontarah, who has already said she likes Tali. So far, the only comments I've seen about why to hate or dislike Tali are mainly "meh, she's too perfect" or "'cause I can" type of posts. Such posts should be elaborated on to provide some sort of reasoning, or perhaps even evidence. But none of the points so far would lead to me "hating" Tali.

Some characters just rub you the wrong way, it doesn't have to be a point by point analysis.

[Troodon80]

Some characters just rub you the wrong way, it doesn't have to be a point by point analysis.

If no actual reasoning is put forward, then people shouldn't complain when threads like this get overrun by people saying how crazy or stupid it is.

I understand that in real life people do rub others the wrong way, it is something I can understand, but I also know that if you don't get past that and find out why, or what it is that you don't like about the person you simply stereotype them, and then never bother looking for the good points.

This, as a side note, is what happens with trolls all the time, and thus why the OP has received a not-so-warm reception. Without some reasoning, the most will simply assume he/she is a troll, or simply hating for the sake of hating.

[Sorrel]

Wow, dude. Just wow.

I like Tali. Like a real person, there are things I dislike about her, but you know... I didn't dislike anyone on my squad enough to want to airlock them. Not even Jacob, and hey, I really don't like Jacob.



Thread's in poor taste, yo. Super poor taste.



Also to some of you folks who are egging this dude on with your character flaming, take a chill pill will ya? Some people really like Tali. Disappointing to see HURR FAT CHICKEN HIPS everywhere. :C

[RiptideX1090]

Sorrel wrote...

Wow, dude. Just wow.
I like Tali. Like a real person, there are things I dislike about her, but you know... I didn't dislike anyone on my squad enough to want to airlock them. Not even Jacob, and hey, I really don't like Jacob.

Thread's in poor taste, yo. Super poor taste.

Also to some of you folks who are egging this dude on with your character flaming, take a chill pill will ya? Some people really like Tali. Disappointing to see HURR FAT CHICKEN HIPS everywhere. :C

You.

I like you.

[Troodon80]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
You.

I like you.

Me too.

[RiptideX1090]

Troodon80 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
You.

I like you.

Me too.

I agree with Sorrel completely.

I mean, Miranda isn't my favorite squadmate, but I've never once killed her intentionally.

Each character has their merits, and everyone has their preferences.

[Troodon80]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I agree with Sorrel completely.

I mean, Miranda isn't my favorite squadmate, but I've never once killed her intentionally.

Each character has their merits, and everyone has their preferences.

Exactly. As do I. While I favour certain characters on a personal preference and not others, I don't hate any of them. Let alone enough to blow them out an airlock.

Hate threads are always in poor taste and in most cases it is to simply provoke a heated argument.

As Ragabul said, it is a testament that people have not virtually bludgeoned each other to death over this.

[Kronner]

What's so wrong about disliking/hating any character? If killing Tali makes for a better game for someone, why not. I found her incredibly annoying in both Mass Effects so I made sure she does not make it to my canon version of Mass Effect 3. I have not killed her in all playthroughs, just in some. She is actually alive in more than 50% of my playthroughs.

Talimancers still get to see her in their game(s), everyone wins.

If you think she is cool and cute, good for you, but why do you bash people who do not share your view?

Modifié par Kronner, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:56 .

[MrDizazta]

I like Tali, but even I can find a major flaw in her character. Let us take a moment and compare her to somebody like Mordin. Mordin is the guy how modified the genophage so that the Krogans cannot adapt to it anymore. However, during his loyalty mission and even during his comversations, you see Mordin struggle with the realities of the disease and what it is doing to the Krogans. Know lets us look at Tali. She is upset over the loss of her homeworld to the Geth but cannot see the Geth as the victims. Even during her loyalty mission, her view point doesn't change even though she see the horrors that her father inflicted to the Geth. In addition, I get the strong sense that she doesn't even trust Legion despite the fact that Legion himself saves Shepard from Husks during his recruitment mission, tells Shepard that the Geth who aligned with Saren and Sovereign in the first place were in the minority, and states that the Geth would consider peace with the Quarians but every time the Quarians get a leg up on the Geth, they attack. I have the strong feeling that Tali would eventually just kill Legion herself behind Shepard's back.

[eldav]

I find Tali quit usefull in ME1 and used her as a base team mate.

In ME2 however she is quit useless and she often got my team killed in combat.

I find her more independate and mature then in ME1.

[TheodoricFriede]

Kronner wrote...

What's so wrong about disliking/hating any character?

Nothing. But spreading yoru hate around is wrong. You want to hate tali? Good for you, hate her in your mind. Do it quietly. I promiss to do the same for the characters i hate...

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Well you see, Mr. Kroganman. There is a difference between legitimately disliking a character with legitimate reasons and being a troll. For example, lets say there are two posters that dislike tali. One of them literally posts an essay about why they dislike tali with valid reasons, without insulting anyone, and the other poster says "Lol tali is stupid because talimancers retards and whiny a lot" and repeatedly posts the ridiculously over used tali headshot banner. Now pretend your a tali fan, which one of these posters do you think has an intellectual level of a peanut and therefore needs to be smacked with a 20 inch stale baguette?

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 02 janvier 2011 - 12:10 .

[Troodon80]

What's so wrong about disliking/hating any character? If killing Tali makes for a better game for someone, why not. I found her incredibly annoying in both Mass Effects so I made sure she does not make it to my canon version of Mass Effect 3. I have not killed her in all playthroughs, just in some. She is actually alive in more than 50% of my playthroughs.

Talimancers still get to see her in their game(s), everyone wins.

If you think she is cool and cute, good for you, but why do you bash people who do not share your view?

We don't bash you for having an opinion, we simply ask that you be respectful about it, don't bash the character and expect not to get some sort of a reaction. If you can't create a thread and be respectful in what you say, whether positive or negative, then don't create it. Doing so will get the reaction that this thread has now gotten.

At the same point, if you dislike a character, it's one thing; Actually hating a character is another, you can do both in a respectful manner, if you so desire, the fact that the OP did not, is the reason why the thread has got the response it has.

Also, as I said before:

So far, I've seen maybe one, possibly two negative points that I would agree with, and they have come from Ragabul the Ontarah, who has already said she likes Tali. So far, the only comments I've seen about why to hate or dislike Tali are mainly "meh, she's too perfect" or "'cause I can" type of posts. Such posts should be elaborated on to provide some sort of reasoning, or perhaps even evidence. But none of the points so far would lead to me "hating" Tali.

If no actual reasoning is put forward, then people shouldn't complain when threads like this get overrun by people saying how crazy or stupid it is.

I understand that in real life people do rub others the wrong way, it is something I can understand, but I also know that if you don't get past that and find out why, or what it is that you don't like about the person you simply stereotype them, and then never bother looking for the good points.