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[mineralica]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

L.Aendrus wrote...

Last Zeal0t wrote...

I love mass effect 1 & 2 because of its memorable character but sometimes my memories of them make me want to tear of there face.For me the one character I can't stand is Kaiden. He is so 1 dementional and lifeless and he make me cringe everytime he opens his mouth. Now I ask you, who do you think should and why. Also say if you already killed them.
R.I.P. Kaiden, just never come back to my game.

Seriously, why start a thread like this?  Are you such a self conscious teen that you have to hate a character that shows some semblance of emotion and doesn't blast his way through hordes of bad guys.   If you romance KaidAn as FemShep you see plenty of life in him and he is not one dimenSional.

If you don't like a squaddie, then don't have them on your team.   You don't have to talk to them unless they are in the cutscenes.  Just because they are not interesting to YOU, doesn't mean you should hate on them. Grow the F up!

Calm down, while I don't agree with his point of  view it doesn't mean you, or I, have the right to tell him what to do. We should understand that he thinks differently to us. Also, he didn't say anything about Kaiden's emotional aspect, so you saying "Are you such a self conscious teen that you have to hate a character that shows some semblance of emotion and doesn't blast his way through Hordes of bad guys" is irrelevant. I can see why you would make such a large assumption, since that is the general point of view of people that dislike Kaiden.

His opinion is different to yours, and I find his opinion more rational than I would find yours at the moment, since you are making a personal attack on someone for having a differing point of view, and because you are not contributing to this topic at all. You are merely instigating a "flame" war, which is not beneficial to anyone.

When I just entered similar forums, I cared to explain at every single post like this that thoughtful doesn't mean one dimensional, that "showing emotions only if you ask about it" doesn't mean emotionless, that "can't restore health at the beginning at the game and has abilities which requires cooldown bonuses and specific equipment" doesn't mean "useless". Later, thanks to Horizon, I tried to explain that disagreeing with PC doesn't always mean "stupid char is too stupid to listen mighty and wise PC" and that's that depth and emotions everyone asked for. But it's just impossible to make several people to change mind (and I'm one of them), so I decided to guide my energy to something more creative. Writig fic, for example. Or my personal fun on such topics - counting up how many times experts in Kaidan's personality call him "Kaiden". Started three months ago, add one point to unique mention by some person in thread or poll. So thanks everyone, this thread added 35th, 36th and 37th position.

[Amyntas]

I don't think I would let any of them die, but most members of the team are seriously screwed up. Miranda and Jacob are Cerberus terrorists and apologists, Thane and Samara kill for a "code" and don't take responsibility for their actions, Zaeed is a killer for hire, Grunt is a bloodthirsty fool etc. etc. There are very few members of the team I would trust. Maybe Tali, Garrus and Joker. Maybe. I wouldn't even trust my own Shepard if he doesn't leave Cerberus in ME3.

[Lovestories]

Don't really want anyone to die. Thane makes sense because of his illness and I wouldn't mind Samara.
Actually If I want anyone to die, its Tim.

Modifié par Lovestories, 01 janvier 2011 - 10:50 .

[PHub88]

Having characters "die" is so overdone and stupid now...it was old 10 years ago...First it was the whole super guy no one can die crap they died for years...then everyone became so obsessed with every movie and game having to have a "dramatic" death...and now its as cliche as ever...lets just knock it out without anyone having to die, but at the same time not look as easy as Rambo makes it look.

[Evelinessa]

TS2Aggie wrote...

None of them. Your squadmates are risking their lives to help you; deliberately killing them is a horrible, horrible reflection upon your Commander Shepard. Killing Kaidan simply because you don't like him is even worse because he is a fellow marine and marines are supposed to support each other, defend each other with their very lives. I've mentioned something similar in another thread but here goes again: anyone that would deliberately leave their CO/fellow troops to die for no good reason does not deserve their uniform or any respect at all. At all. That is something a 12-year-old girl would do in a moment of spite.

Why would anyone be inspired to want to help a Commander Shepard like that?

This.

[voltron001]

Killed Jacob. It was a tough decision.



Want to murder Illusive Man with my bare hands.



I want Thane to die of his disease and everyone goes to his funeral and it's really sad. We'd get to see his son again. Maybe it'd be held near the vents at the Citadel so all the runaway kids he met like Mouse could attend. That'd be very engrossing and very cinematic.

[Renessa]

I find these sort of threads really sad. Why would anyone want the forced death of a character? I don't like Miranda much. In my mind, she is a Cerberus apologist and almost until the very, very end she does not seem change in that respect.



But: I do realize, that there are players who really like Miranda. Who manage to see something in her I can not. Why, oh why would I want to spoil their fun in the game? What sort of attitude is that?



I thought the SM was well done. If you, as a player, believe, that the dramatic death of certain squad members is something you want to see in your game, because it fits with your understanding of the story, you could have that. If you want to save everybody, you could also achieve that. The choice was the players, not forced on you.

[Evelinessa]

Renessa wrote...

I find these sort of threads really sad. Why would anyone want the forced death of a character? I don't like Miranda much. In my mind, she is a Cerberus apologist and almost until the very, very end she does not seem change in that respect.

But: I do realize, that there are players who really like Miranda. Who manage to see something in her I can not. Why, oh why would I want to spoil their fun in the game? What sort of attitude is that?

I thought the SM was well done. If you, as a player, believe, that the dramatic death of certain squad members is something you want to see in your game, because it fits with your understanding of the story, you could have that. If you want to save everybody, you could also achieve that. The choice was the players, not forced on you.

This too.

[DRSH]

Kane-Corr wrote...

Personally for me, I don't believe any of the squadmates should die. I wish I could save Kaidan....so I honor and avenge him by saving everyone on the SM.

This.

[Welsh Inferno]

Aglazzboi wrote...

GodWood wrote...

The Reapers.

^

Wanting to kill squadmates is stupid. As people have said above, they are risking their lives for you, loyal to you and trust you with their lives.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 01 janvier 2011 - 02:11 .

[Soapy010]

Turian Councilor.

[ZombifiedJake]

I think that we should be able to influence who dies amongst the squadmates by certain actions like a certain scenario in the last game, but they should be more... dramatic.

[Volband]

I wouldn't say Ashley NEEDS to die, but since I HAVE to choose between Kaidan or her, poor girl always die.



I had prejudices towards both character, but after I talked with them, I had to realise that Kaidan is a really good person, who thinks rationally (that's a really good thing in my book). Ashley's just an ***, even if she have her reasons. Also, she's almost my counterpart, and to not to hate her, I should have the option for hours-long debates, to understand and accept her.

But since she just says "yaaay, God is watching us! yaay, I'm a real meanie to aliens, yaaay!" and whether I can't talk about it thorough (the former), or her explanation is just so annoying that I want to punch her. Why is it my job to understand with a grown person, that we should not hate everyone, just because they are different from us?



Again, I wouldn't kill her just because of this, but we have no choice but to pick one of them.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Am I the only one who's not expecting Liara's impenetrable plot armor to continue through ME3?

[LadyJaneGrey]

Harkin. Garrus and I killed all those mercenaries to get to him and then the worst that can happen is his getting shot in the foot?



@Fiery: I never mark a character as immune. It would be interesting if LotSB's purpose was to make sure we all like Liara again just before something horrible happens to her.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Am I the only one who's not expecting Liara's impenetrable plot armor to continue through ME3?

Well considering one of the potential endings could be Reapers doing what they set out to do. It would be highly implausible for that plot armor to remain for anyone. Not just Shep or squadmates but NPCs too.

Basically put, all plot armor should be abandoned from the get go. If someone can die in a certain situation no plot armor should spare them. This is the last chapter of Shepard's story, anything and everything should be able to happen (apart from plot armor)

[Fiery Phoenix]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

@Fiery: I never mark a character as immune. It would be interesting if LotSB's purpose was to make sure we all like Liara again just before something horrible happens to her.

Liara was literally immune through the entirety of both ME1 and ME2. I also wonder if that means we're being set up for something.

As Sir said above, since this is the final chapter, anything can happen.

[Evelinessa]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Am I the only one who's not expecting Liara's impenetrable plot armor to continue through ME3?

No you're not the only one. I agree with the post before me with how ME3 will be.

Edit: I typed too slow. I meant Sir Ulrich.

Modifié par Evelinessa, 01 janvier 2011 - 06:09 .

[cachx]

Why is it that everyone is expecting some kind of heroic sacrifice for a dramatic finale? I hope they surprise us and NOT do it. At least not in a way we have seen before.

As for the topic itself, Thane has to die. Maybe not during the game. But finding some kind of "miracle cure" or having him not suffer effects from his illness will render his whole story pointless.

[BiancoAngelo7]

I used to hate Kaiden with a passion.



But then I met Jacob.



My mind was blown away and I now had someone that I actively wanted dead no matter what. Regardless though, I still do what I have to to keep him alive.



But I still hate him. A LOT. They could have made him the badasz marine compatriot but no instead they made him into the most annoying flat character ever.



Imo of course.

[Chuvvy]

Kaiden was okay in ME1. I don't want to kill him after ME2, maybe just beat the **** out of him. Also I like the way you have to sit there and take it like a ****, good call bioware.

[Mr Plow]

Evelinessa wrote...

There's some characters that I don't like as much as others but I don't hate any of them. I would prefer to have the option to keep all my squadmates alive throughout ME3 like the suicide mission. So if a character has to die then I want the option to save them. I want to have the best ending possible.

This.  I don't think we should be railroaded into losing squadmates automatically.  If certain choices are made by the player which lead to the demise of some characters then fine but not automatically

[LadyJaneGrey]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

@Fiery: I never mark a character as immune. It would be interesting if LotSB's purpose was to make sure we all like Liara again just before something horrible happens to her.

Liara was literally immune through the entirety of both ME1 and ME2. I also wonder if that means we're being set up for something.

As Sir said above, since this is the final chapter, anything can happen.

Agree on both points.  What I meant was that going into any new game and story, I never assume a character will be safe.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ah, I see.

[Bonsaisamurai]

I'd like to see samara die. she always kinda bored me.