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Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So If I work at Burger King......that's all I am?

If it turns out that every story I read about your life involves working for Burger King in some capacity I'd definitely say it was a major part of your character.  

Especially if you're ever promoted to Manager of the Burger King of Amaranthine.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

The Warden was not just being a Grey Warden.

And the second I'm allowed to have the Warden explicitly leave the order in a game or DLC published by Bioware, I'll buy that, and be interested in playing the character again.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So saying you don't want to play a "warden" anymore doesn't make since.

Sure it does.  Because I don't expect Bioware will ever make that game.

Think of it like this:  Say we were talking about KOTOR and I said I didn't want to play Revan anymore because the idea of being a Sith or Jedi was boring/annoying/irritating to me.  It's the same.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:35 .

[Rivenous]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So If I work at Burger King......that's all I am? The Warden was not just being a Grey Warden. So saying you don't want to play a "warden" anymore doesn't make sense.

I completely agree. A warden really only does any "wardening" when there's a Blight to deal with, at any other point they're just regular people with funny blood.
That being said I doubt we'll see the Warden again... It's much more likely we'll hear of him/her in codex form or NPC's mentioning them.
Hawke on the other hand is a much more likely prospect, while I'm not sure I'd want him/her to be the main character again I'd love to see him/her join my new team in Dragon Age 3 or 4 as a temporary companion during a dungeon or something. Nothing major, just a little fan service. 

Modifié par Rivenous, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:43 .

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So If I work at Burger King......that's all I am?

If it turns out that every story I read about your life involves working for Burger King in some capacity I'd definitely say it was a major part of your character.  

Especially if you're ever promoted to Manager of the Burger King of Amaranthine.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

The Warden was not just being a Grey Warden.

And the second I'm allowed to have the Warden explicitly leave the order in a game or DLC published by Bioware, I'll buy that, and be interested in playing the character again.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So saying you don't want to play a "warden" anymore doesn't make since.

Sure it does.  Because I don't expect Bioware will ever make that game.

Think of it like this:  Say we were talking about KOTOR and I said I didn't want to play Revan anymore because the idea of being a Sith or Jedi was boring/annoying/irritating to me.  It's the same.  

I think Lovey means its a job not a person and can i have some fries with that order please Lovey .

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Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

The Grey Wardens were hardly a order in DA:O. You were trying to stop the blight, being a Grey Warden encouraged you to do so, but your character itself was based on a lot more then that. You could be a liar to a thief.

Not sure what that has to do with my problem:  If the Warden comes up again, he will likely be doing Warden things.  And I don't want to do more Warden things.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

Wouldn't bet on that. Grey Wardens seem mighty important.

And that's the reason for my problem.  I've grown to hate them.   So a new protagonist not attached to them strikes me as a fantastic development.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

....Then you wouldn't play Knights...of the old republic.

No, I'd argue for a game where I could be a smuggler, or bounty hunter, or even a Jolee Bindo-inspired neutral Jedi.  Kinda like... Hawke.

request denied wrote...

I think Lovey means its a job not a person and can i have some fries with that order please Lovey .

Of course.  But the Warden is a character in a game and not a real person.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:44 .

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NOOOOOO she is real !

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Mezzil wrote...

Because you know what they would do to make Warden playable again, right? That garbage that was done at the start of ME2. They will come up with some non-sense to explain to reset your level and why you have lost all your friends.

My personal theory is that the Warden will die, but be re-animated through magic by the Tevinter Imperium.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

We will have to see how important Darkspawn are in DA2. But where there are Darkspawn, the Grey Wardens will always be important. That's just the world of Thedas.

Anyway, my main point is the Warden shouldn't be simply pushed aside, especially with Morrigan or Ferelden itself.

Yay, more killing Darkspawn.  *deep, sarcastic yawn*  Monsters are the best enemies! 

But seriously, I think of the Warden as an empty vessel through which I was introduced to Thedas.  Now that I have been, I'm keen to thank him/her for their services and move on to someone more interesting, whose personal motivations and goals actually matter.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So If I work at Burger King......that's all I am?

If it turns out that every story I read about your life involves working for Burger King in some capacity I'd definitely say it was a major part of your character.  

Especially if you're ever promoted to Manager of the Burger King of Amaranthine.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

The Warden was not just being a Grey Warden.

And the second I'm allowed to have the Warden explicitly leave the order in a game or DLC published by Bioware, I'll buy that, and be interested in playing the character again.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So saying you don't want to play a "warden" anymore doesn't make since.

Sure it does.  Because I don't expect Bioware will ever make that game.

Think of it like this:  Say we were talking about KOTOR and I said I didn't want to play Revan anymore because the idea of being a Sith or Jedi was boring/annoying/irritating to me.  It's the same.  

I think Lovey means its a job not a person and can i have some fries with that order please Lovey .

Being a Warden isn't a job.  It's not something you can stop being.  Aside from that though, I thought ten years was about the norm for a Warden to survive after the joining.  Not that I would mind a companion that is slowly deteriorating over the course of the game.  Sort of a leveling up in reverse.  At least mechanically it would be a twist on the whole wise mentor archetype bio seems addicted to using.

Modifié par relhart, 02 janvier 2011 - 03:30 .

[Maconbar]

relhart wrote...

request denied wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So If I work at Burger King......that's all I am?

If it turns out that every story I read about your life involves working for Burger King in some capacity I'd definitely say it was a major part of your character.  

Especially if you're ever promoted to Manager of the Burger King of Amaranthine.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

The Warden was not just being a Grey Warden.

And the second I'm allowed to have the Warden explicitly leave the order in a game or DLC published by Bioware, I'll buy that, and be interested in playing the character again.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So saying you don't want to play a "warden" anymore doesn't make since.

Sure it does.  Because I don't expect Bioware will ever make that game.

Think of it like this:  Say we were talking about KOTOR and I said I didn't want to play Revan anymore because the idea of being a Sith or Jedi was boring/annoying/irritating to me.  It's the same.  

I think Lovey means its a job not a person and can i have some fries with that order please Lovey .

Being a Warden isn't a job.  It's not something you can stop being.  Aside from that though, I thought ten years was about the norm for a Warden to survive after the joining.  Not that I wouldn't mind a companion that is slowly deteriorating over the course of the game.  Sort of a leveling up in reverse.

It's more than a job' it's a way of life.

[Elessara]

I know I've said this in other threads but I'll repeat it anyway.

DAO gave closure to most wardens. At least it did for me in the two playthroughs that I kept. The people who romanced Morrigan had to wait for Witch Hunt. But DAA completely ruined any sense of closure I had for my characters.

At the end of DAO one of my chars was queen and the other was rebuilding the wardens in Ferelden. That was good. While I might have enjoyed more adventures I still had the feeling that their story was, for the most part, done. Then DAA came along with it's stupid ending of "... and after a few years they mysteriously vanished." Seriously? A few years is not the 20-30 a warden is generally supposed to have so they didn't go on their Calling and if they HAD gone on the Calling then it wouldn't be mysterious. It really irritates me .. still. I would not be irritated if they hadn't put in that mysteriously vanished bit. Why even put that in if they don't intend to use it?

Grrr anyway. At this point in time I hope we do play a different protagonist in DA3 but who knows, by the end of DA2 I may change my mind. Regardless, it will be interesting to see where BW is going with the storyline.

[Ziggeh]

Elessara wrote...

Then DAA came along with it's stupid ending of "... and after a few years they mysteriously vanished." Seriously?

They didn't give much opportunity to setup and therefor "choose" a fitting ending, and they had to leave it reasonably open so people could decide for themselves, so I don't see it as a loose end, so much as an open one.

[Elessara]

There were other ways than just having your char up and disappear though. I mean those who were king/queen would have just returned to court so they'd have been easy. The others? Reunited with their LI, continued traveling, searched for Morrigan. Remained Warden Commander for those who chose to rebuild the GW. Returned to whatever their choice was at the end of Origins.

It's almost like BW had planned for another expansion and then said eh heck with it, let's focus on DA2 - which kind of leaves the warden in limbo.

If the Warden's story is over then let it actually be over. I just hope that if Hawke doesn't come back in DA3 then his/her story will have some closure at the end of DA2.

[Dave of Canada]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

Didn't say Darkspawn are the best enemy. But they are and have always been Thedas biggest problem within known history.

But they are more of a backround threat when the Blight isn't present, people could live their entire lives and not even realize darkspawn exist. People thought the darkspawn were wiped out during the last blight... four centuries ago? That's a pretty long time to not notice a gigantic army underground.

When there isn't a blight, more problems present themselves. Political situations, ect ect. Playing a Grey Warden who goes into the Deep Roads for Grey Wardening wouldn't really be that entertaining TO ME PERSONALLY because we've already done all that and it's time to do stuff elsewhere.

[Sharn01]

relhart wrote...

request denied wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So If I work at Burger King......that's all I am?

If it turns out that every story I read about your life involves working for Burger King in some capacity I'd definitely say it was a major part of your character.  

Especially if you're ever promoted to Manager of the Burger King of Amaranthine.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

The Warden was not just being a Grey Warden.

And the second I'm allowed to have the Warden explicitly leave the order in a game or DLC published by Bioware, I'll buy that, and be interested in playing the character again.

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

So saying you don't want to play a "warden" anymore doesn't make since.

Sure it does.  Because I don't expect Bioware will ever make that game.

Think of it like this:  Say we were talking about KOTOR and I said I didn't want to play Revan anymore because the idea of being a Sith or Jedi was boring/annoying/irritating to me.  It's the same.  

I think Lovey means its a job not a person and can i have some fries with that order please Lovey .

Being a Warden isn't a job.  It's not something you can stop being.  Aside from that though, I thought ten years was about the norm for a Warden to survive after the joining.  Not that I would mind a companion that is slowly deteriorating over the course of the game.  Sort of a leveling up in reverse.  At least mechanically it would be a twist on the whole wise mentor archetype bio seems addicted to using.

Its stated in the game that it takes about 30 years after the joining before they feel the pull to die fighting in the deeproads.  I imagine most wardens join between 17-30 so they will be heading out to die between 47 to 60 years old, assuming they didnt fall in battle prior to that.  Their bodies also do not deteriorate, at least no more then anyone elses does with age, Duncan was very near to the calling to the deep roads and was perfectly fit for his age.

Avernus was a warden who extended his life by centuries with magic, and if your a mage warden you gain access to all his research, I know my mage would use his research to extend her life, and spend that time making improvements to it as well.

Modifié par Sharn01, 02 janvier 2011 - 07:47 .

[Zinou]

I like Hawke and hope he will be the main character of the next DA games.

Hawke will not die in DA2, know why?

In the Rise to Power trailer, when Cassandra asks Varric about Hawke, he tells her "The world on the brink of war...and you need the one person...who could help you put it back together"

Conclusion he will not die in DA2

Forget about the weak Warden and say hello to my little...Hawke...