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[Auroras]

I play on a console because I have an all-Mac household.

[TJPags]

Melca36 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

If you buy a low end PC, it will have a last gen or very poor current gen video card.  It will have a low end processor.  It will likely have limited expansion ports.  In short, it will not be an optimal computer for gaming.  So yes, it will play most games, even if at lower settings, for a year or 2.  But it will quickly get to the point where the processor and the video card can't keep up.  The RAM will be too low.  And if it's not upgradeable, then like I said, you've now got problems.

Note that this is only true for a prebuilt low-end PC, especially ones from the major manufacturers. It's easy enough to get low-end components that don't limit upgradeability.

OTOH, anyone who is contemplating building a PC in the first place is almost certainly committed to PCs anyway.

Actually its not about committment, I prefer building my own as does my husband.  I like to know whats inside my computer. Those cheap low end PCs are built with garbage parts.  And most medium to high end machines are   over priced.

We have a 360 too and use it for some games but they don't look as nice as they would on a PC.

What both of you say is certainly true.  And yes, I'm referring to retail PC's, all of which you say about them is true.  It is, however, where most people buy computers, whether due to lack of knowledge, convenience, price, or some combination.

Someone in here also mentioned Alienware.  I see those ads also.  I also see ads for other computers, all labelled as "gaming computers", and I see the price tags.  I cringe when I see a computer listed for nearly $3000.  I'm sure a lot of people do also, including many of you who are much more knowledgeable then I will ever be.  You may even cringe more, knowing what you know.  I cringe at the price tag.  While I can afford that, I see no reason to, because I've come to learn - from friends and some limited research, as I mention below - that I don't need to.

Not everyone is tech savvy enough to build their own, or even just to really know the difference between one video card and another.  I know I'm not.  When I'm buying a new computer, I ask people I trust, and I read about the differences, and then I go look for and find one that has what I'm told is good.  I have neither the personal knowledge, nor the time to keep up to date, to build one myself, although I could probably physically do it.

[Silent 1]

I will play on console for the same reason most people can't play Crisis ... My Computer SUCK!!!

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[Elystia]

I agree with Ymladdych on a point of console gaming is growing in numbers and soon PC games will be rare. I am a console woman..however; there is one game that will NOT be on console that i will submit to playing on PC when it comes out, and that's Diablo III. And I definately will need to buy a better desk!

I built my computer to be a monster gaming machine, so graphics..not a problem.



There are just some games that are made for PC and some that are for console.

[Melca36]

Ymladdych wrote...




And frankly, as gaming becomes more ubiquitous in the general population, I think you're going to find that the console numbers are only going to grow, especially as the graphical quality gap gets smaller with every subsequent generation of hardware.  I wouldn't be surprised if PC gaming becomes a niche market over the next 10 years, and I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I'm just calling it as I see it.

I definitely agree, and I think it will eventually become all digitial.

But are the graphics on the current generation consoles equal to what is available on the PC?

I would
consider puchasing a newer 360 if I could see a comparison between what
I have one my 1st Generation 360, my PC and what the new 360's have.

Modifié par Melca36, 01 janvier 2011 - 08:43 .

[bcooper56]

pc

[Melca36]

Elystia wrote...

I agree with Ymladdych on a point of console gaming is growing in numbers and soon PC games will be rare. I am a console woman..however; there is one game that will NOT be on console that i will submit to playing on PC when it comes out, and that's Diablo III. And I definately will need to buy a better desk!
I built my computer to be a monster gaming machine, so graphics..not a problem.

There are just some games that are made for PC and some that are for console.

They may become rare, but they won't die as some people have proclaimed over the last ten years.

[Silentmode]

I got DAO for the xbox first and loved it, but then I started seeing all the freaking awesome mods for the pc version and switched. I must say it was 10x better on the pc version. With that said I'm still going to get DA2 for the xbox first because it looks like they've greatly improved it and if possible I always prefer to play games on consoles with a controller in my hand. Plus I got every achievement for DAO on the xbox and want to do the same for its sequal.

[ErichHartmann]

Elystia wrote...

I agree with Ymladdych on a point of console gaming is growing in numbers and soon PC games will be rare.

Consoles have always been growing since they first launched and the death of PC gaming has failed to materialize every few years.  Hardly a recent phenomenon.   

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 01 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .

[Elystia]

Oh, off the topic...Ymladdych, your character is very pretty.

[Melca36]

scyphozoa wrote...

I recently read that tablets like the Ipad are on schedule to outsell PCs within 2-4 years. How we interface with technology is changing, and we face a genuine paradigm shift if tablets are the primary means of internet/media consumption within 10 years.

I will personally never own own an Ipad.     Way too small for me. 

[TJPags]

Ymladdych wrote...

Melca36 wrote...
I for one don't want to spend $299 for every generation 360 console that comes out.

I think TJPags's point was that console gamers will pay $299-$500 (depending on peripherals and larger hard discs) once every 5-10 years, and no matter how economical you are about building your computer, you *will* end up investing more in your PC hardware if you want to run games on your rig for that same timeframe, even if you keep everything at lower settings.  (Not to mention that building your own hardware means purchasing the OS and other housekeeping software - even as OEM you're looking at another $70 for the home edition; plus you've got the risk of having DOA stuff or ESD kill something during installation.  More cash, depending on your warranties.)  While the price difference may not be as exaggerated as some people may try to claim, it's significant enough for a lot of gamers to find console graphics "good enough."

And frankly, as gaming becomes more ubiquitous in the general population, I think you're going to find that the console numbers are only going to grow, especially as the graphical quality gap gets smaller with every subsequent generation of hardware.  I wouldn't be surprised if PC gaming becomes a niche market over the next 10 years, and I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I'm just calling it as I see it.

That's exactly my point.  Cost is a huge factor to a lot of people, and they see $299 once every 5-10 years as a lot better than $400 now, and another $400 over the course of, say, 6 years to upgrade - or even as better than $899 every 6 years.

[BomimoDK]

TJPags wrote...


That's exactly my point.  Cost is a
huge factor to a lot of people, and they see $299 once every 5-10 years
as a lot better than $400 now, and another $400 over the course of, say,
6 years to upgrade - or even as better than $899 every 6
years.

well the deal is. You buy a console to game, correct? If
you buy a computer to game, you aren't going to be buying a computer at
400$ and upgrade later, you're going to be buying that one at 699$ that
is capable of pulling MORE than the consoles or the whole point of PC
gaming is lost.

That's what i'd do anyway.

Melca36 wrote...

Elystia wrote...

I agree with Ymladdych on a point of console gaming is growing in numbers and soon PC games will be rare. I am a console woman..however; there is one game that will NOT be on console that i will submit to playing on PC when it comes out, and that's Diablo III. And I definately will need to buy a better desk!
I built my computer to be a monster gaming machine, so graphics..not a problem.

There are just some games that are made for PC and some that are for console.

They may become rare, but they won't die as some people have proclaimed over the last ten years.

WoW! is this movement ten years old? i thought it started when the current console gen started. I point you all to "Battleofhastings" at Bad Company 2. The pc gamers got the 69 million team actions before the consoles did. If this isn't a testament to the very much alive and wrigling PC gaming community, i don't know what is.
People who think PC gaming is dead globally only think so because it's dead in their household, clique or whatever and assume they're the whole world.

I seriously hate this debate. It's so full of hot air. I'm getting DAII for PC because that's where my savegames are at and RPGs are one of my "pc reserved" genres along with FPS, Strategy and so on.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 01 janvier 2011 - 08:52 .

[Elystia]

My son plays on a DS and for the life of me I cannot see how he does it! It's so small!

He wants an Ipad...but they are like 500.00. So, for now....he can play Xbox 360.

There's no way I'm buying an Ipad lol. That's rent money!

[slimgrin]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Elystia wrote...

I agree with Ymladdych on a point of console gaming is growing in numbers and soon PC games will be rare.

Consoles have always been growing since they first launched and the death of PC gaming has failed to materialize every few years.  Hardly a recent phenomenon.   

PC gaming will die out when PC's die out. So yeah, not going to happen. And thankfully so. Even gamers who prefer console need to understand that a lot of gaming innovation occurs on PC platform. 

[Elystia]

OK, I'm out. Need to go make some bratwurst on a lovely french roll and go start a new DA game on my console



Whichever decision you go with (PC or Console) there are millions of people who are DA fans and we should have enough Wardens to kick a whole lot of butt! =P

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[slimgrin]

Ymladdych wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...
Consoles have always been growing since they first launched and the death of PC gaming has failed to materialize every few years.  Hardly a recent phenomenon.   

True...I don't think PC gaming will every die as in, "No more games.  Period."  But if it becomes a niche market, the title selection will become more limited and PC gamers will lose consumer power as publishers evaluate the cost-benefit of releasing a PC port.   The thing is, it's already started.  (Microsoft and Alan Wake...PC version axed.  *sniffles sadly*)  I see that as a pretty good indication that the market is in the midst of a big shift.

Lol. For it to become a niche market, MMO's will have to die out as well. Sorry, I'll say it again: lot's of misinformation flying around here. No matter. Carry on.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 janvier 2011 - 09:10 .

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[TJPags]

BomimoDK wrote...

TJPags wrote...


That's exactly my point.  Cost is a
huge factor to a lot of people, and they see $299 once every 5-10 years
as a lot better than $400 now, and another $400 over the course of, say,
6 years to upgrade - or even as better than $899 every 6
years.

well the deal is. You buy a console to game, correct? If
you buy a computer to game, you aren't going to be buying a computer at
400$ and upgrade later, you're going to be buying that one at 699$ that
is capable of pulling MORE than the consoles or the whole point of PC
gaming is lost.

That's what i'd do anyway.

Well, yes.  And as I've been saying, if they don't have the $699, where does that leave them?

[In Exile]

Melca36 wrote..
Actually its not about committment, I prefer building my own as does my husband.  I like to know whats inside my computer. Those cheap low end PCs are built with garbage parts.  And most medium to high end machines are   over priced.

We have a 360 too and use it for some games but they don't look as nice as they would on a PC.

Building a PC is not easy, and most people will not want to deal with this. Saying that the solution to making PC gaming as affordable or cheaper than console gaming is to just familiarize yourself excessively with hardware, know where to find deals, buy all the components separately, them assemble them yourself is silly.

Not to back a horse in the race, but people need to appreciate that "build your own PC" for the majority of people is not a possible or realistic goal at all.

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:24 .

[slimgrin]

In Exile wrote...

Building a PC is not easy, and most people will not want to deal with this. Saying that the solution to making PC gaming as affordable or cheaper than console gaming is to just familiarize yourself excessively with hardware, know where to find deals, buy all the components separately, them assemble them yourself is silly.

I see nothing wrong with taking the time to familiarize myself with hardware. I'd be lazy otherwise. I regret not building my own pc. I have friends who did it and it wasn't torture for them. There's nothing silly about it - it's just buying responsibly. But I understand as a pc gamer I'm in the minority here. I just don't understand the hostility toward pc gaming. It's like me hating my neighbor because he drives a better car than I do.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 janvier 2011 - 09:34 .