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[Vaenier]

rma2110 wrote...

I'd respect Miranda lot more if she ditched the cat-suit and quit shoving dat ass in my face, Straight woman here and all it does is annoy me.

She is not a bad person, but Bioware just makes me hate her. I am sick of having the camera go out of its way to show off her body. The fact she tries to act perfect is also annoying, but i can get past that. Bioware shoving her in my face is just plain unacceptable.

I am very tempted to just kill her in the suicide mission so I dont have to deal with it for my imports. I dont want to kill her, but if they give me no other choice, so be it.

[Destroy Raiden_]

The only reason she is your XO is because TIM put her there. I get annoyed and want to hit her everytime she says it too but I'm really hoping in 3 I can pick my own XO from Garrus, Jacob, and Miranda at least sense in the current crew line up most agree these three are qualified for the job.

[rma2110]

Vaenier wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I'd respect Miranda lot more if she ditched the cat-suit and quit shoving dat ass in my face, Straight woman here and all it does is annoy me.

She is not a bad person, but Bioware just makes me hate her. I am sick of having the camera go out of its way to show off her body. The fact she tries to act perfect is also annoying, but i can get past that. Bioware shoving her in my face is just plain unacceptable.

I am very tempted to just kill her in the suicide mission so I dont have to deal with it for my imports. I dont want to kill her, but if they give me no other choice, so be it.

Haha! I actually like Miranda. I just don't like that BioWare made her such blatant eye candy and then proceded to shove it in my face every chance they got. Way to be subtle. Plus, that outfit strikes me as unprofessional. 


 

[Freddizm]

rma2110 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I'd respect Miranda lot more if she ditched the cat-suit and quit shoving dat ass in my face, Straight woman here and all it does is annoy me.

She is not a bad person, but Bioware just makes me hate her. I am sick of having the camera go out of its way to show off her body. The fact she tries to act perfect is also annoying, but i can get past that. Bioware shoving her in my face is just plain unacceptable.

I am very tempted to just kill her in the suicide mission so I dont have to deal with it for my imports. I dont want to kill her, but if they give me no other choice, so be it.

Haha! I actually like Miranda. I just don't like that BioWare made her such blatant eye candy and then proceded to shove it in my face every chance they got. Way to be subtle. Plus, that outfit strikes me as unprofessional. 


 

I don't know. Operative Lawson's uniform is very official. It always makes me stand at attention

[Pacifien]

Garrus is a fine leader in combat, but I don't find much in the game that indicates he has the best skills in running the day-to-day operations of a ship, much less a ship full of Cerberus personnel. If you listen to the crew (not Shepard's squad, but the ship's crew), they do mention Miranda specifically when talking about the mission. They see her as their boss.

And the reality is that sometimes you must work with people who you don't personally like. Why? Because 1) they're good at their job in spite of what you feel about them and it isn't always your choice to decide who gets which job. The Illusive Man put Shepard in charge of combating the Collectors, but it's obvious the Illusive Man didn't give Shepard carte blanche over he entire operation no matter what the he claims.

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

Modifié par Pacifien, 01 janvier 2011 - 05:22 .

[CroGamer002]

Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

[Chignon]

Mesina2 wrote...



Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

"This isn't a popularity contest, lives are at stake."

- Miranda Lawson

[Count Viceroy]

Most people seem to believe that just because someone is a good combat leader it also makes them suited to the tasks of an XO. Hardly the case. Miranda is the obvious choice.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 01 janvier 2011 - 05:35 .

[Pacifien]

Mesina2 wrote...
Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

Are we talking about the Normandy crew or Shepard's squad here?

[Count Viceroy]

Mesina2 wrote...

Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

Think it's a safe bet that a turian would never be commanding a cerberus vessel. What Shepards group of misfits think of Miranda is irrelevant. The actual cerberus crew is under the command of miranda already as she leads the lazarus cell.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

I like him; he struck me as competent and willing to think issues through.  And I think Miranda's good at her job; she just needs to work on the people-skills a bit.

[Vaenier]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

He is not shoved in our faces as blatent eye candy. He is an ok guy who did his job. Not much else to it.

[Elcirith]

I would prefer Garrus as my second in command but miranda still handling those logistical matters and the daily ship matters

[Count Viceroy]

Vaenier wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

He is not shoved in our faces as blatent eye candy. He is an ok guy who did his job. Not much else to it.

Unfortunatly he decided to wear his favourite red shirt underneath his uniform that day...

[General User]

Pacifien wrote...

Garrus is a fine leader in combat, but I don't find much in the game that indicates he has the best skills in running the day-to-day operations of a ship, much less a ship full of Cerberus personnel. If you listen to the crew (not Shepard's squad, but the ship's crew), they do mention Miranda specifically when talking about the mission. They see her as their boss.

And the reality is that sometimes you must work with people who you don't personally like. Why? Because 1) they're good at their job in spite of what you feel about them and it isn't always your choice to decide who gets which job. The Illusive Man put Shepard in charge of combating the Collectors, but it's obvious the Illusive Man didn't give Shepard carte blanche over he entire operation no matter what the he claims.

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

For me, an interesting aspect of the XOs in Mass Effect is that they seem to be expected to lead, or participate in, groundside combat missions. Miranda certainly has this covered, but Pressley didn’t. 
 
In a way that makes me think all the more highly of Pressley as an officer and a person because of the way he seemed to step up and fulfill the administrative side of an XO’s duties, freeing Shepard to concentrate on the mission as a whole.  Shepard said it to Yeoman Chambers, but it could be just as easily applied to Pressley: “The Normandy crew delivered, including you.”
 
There’s a certain respect I have for people (especially those in uniform) who are able to put their personal feelings and opinions aside in order to do their duty, and do it well. I think Pressley falls into this category more readily than Miranda does, as Miranda has frequent recurring conflicts with Jack while Pressley grows progressively more accepting of the aliens on the crew.

[Winterfly]

I honestly think Shepard got no **** to say. Cerberus returned him to life, Miranda is the stationed Cerberus officer at place. So Garrus might be second in command to Shepards crew for example, but Miranda is clearly the highest Cerberus command on the ship.

And people complaining on the cat suit and the rear. Well, Bioware did it this way. Send your complains to them

PS: We need a Pressly memorial if we dont have one already A true man who did his service with pride!

Modifié par Winterfly, 01 janvier 2011 - 05:56 .

[Ieldra]

Winterfly wrote...
And people complaining on the cat suit and the rear. Well, Bioware did it this way. Send your complains to them

We did that in the Miranda thread wish list. I would wish for more realistic outfits for everyone that don't fly in the face of common sense, and those ass shots are demeaning.

[CroGamer002]

Pacifien wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

Are we talking about the Normandy crew or Shepard's squad here?

Normandy squad.


Normandy crew would listen both of them, but I'd put Jacob in front of Garrus for that since I think some of them are pro-human and might disobey Garrus's orders.


Also Jacob is worst for leadership of squad since nobody really cares much about him besides Miranda but he used to take orders from her, but he has a lot of experience of leading squad so he has a pass for being successful fire team leader.

[CroGamer002]

Chignon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

"This isn't a popularity contest, lives are at stake."
- Miranda Lawson

That.

[luakel]

Pacifien wrote...
I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

I never like Pressly that much, but I never had any problem with leaving the ship under his command either. As General User said, he seemed like a fundamentally good officer with some slight bigotry who was going to do his job anyway. And the fact that he was open enough to change his opinions on aliens says alot about him. He did have a bit of a mouth on him though... IIRC, the very first line we hear out of Pressly's mouth in ME2 is him whining about how there aren't any geth and the whole mission is a waste of time. Rather unprofessional, at least in front of the crew like that.

One thing I definitely preferred about Pressly was that he had to stay on the ship during missions. Obviously ME is already testing credibility in this area, since I'd imagine that most COs of warships aren't simultaneously the head of the marine squad, but I'll let that pass due to Shepard's awesomeness. But Miranda shouldn't even be an option for the squad, if she is really the XO. If something bad happens to Shepard on the mission, then the XO should be back on the ship in order to coordinate rescue efforts. And if something happens to the Normandy while Shepard is onshore, there needs to be an official commander still on the ship to deal with it. So if Miranda would stay on the ship no matter what (and get a change of clothes too, along with Jack & Samara), then I'd have no problem with her as the XO. It's when the game treats her as a part of the ground squad that I'd take issue, since she's much better off as the bureaucrat back on the ship handling all the paperwork.

As for Garrus, he would definitely fit as second-in-command of the ground squad, and my Shepard takes him along constantly because he wants someone he can trust watching his back. But for the reasons mentioned above, Garrus would be a bad XO, both because he's clearly not one for bureaucracy and because then I'd have to leave him on the ship. Maybe Miranda wouldn't have been my Shepard's first choice for XO, but he wouldn't have been working for Cerberus in that case either. And as long as she stays more loyal to her CO than to Cerberus, Miranda can keep her position.

Chignon wrote...

"This isn't a popularity contest, lives are at stake."
- Miranda Lawson

Exactly, that's why you need someone commanding the squad who they all respect enough to listen to. For example, Jack's threatened to kill Miranda before, which doesn't exactly correlate with respect; if Shepard leaves her under Miranda's command, he should expect to come back to one of them dead. Miranda is better as XO of the Normandy, but when it comes to commanding the squad, Garrus or even Jacob would be preferable.

Modifié par luakel, 01 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .

[CroGamer002]

^Bring Jack with you?

Also Jack said that she will deal with her after all is done.

[Badpie]

AntiChri5 wrote...

TIM made her the XO.

Yeah. I guess you could dislike it all you want, but she actually is second in command.  This probably could have been posted in the Miranda character discussion thread, but whatever.

[Element_Zero]

Well Miranda came off a bit prissy, to Jack who (by my take) came off as a person who is still trying to find herself after being so conditioned to do one thing . . find the limits of human biotics. Jack to me is someone deeply troubled, was lacking social skills in a sense, and Jack is searching for something to aspire to be. (Jack has had her childhood stolen as well as her connections to people though her experiences growing up from what I can tell.) Plus Bioware's efforts in flashing Miranda off the way they did kinda effected my attitude too.

Also I don't think some folks realize what a XO's duties actually are. . . Some posters eluded to it, but I'm not sure some really realized that the crew and ship needs things to run. Do you really want to put Garrus in charge of that? I also felt Garrus's skills, uniform, and experience were better suited for ground operations and should be honed in that direction.

Miranda's attitude also put her on this pedestal where she's used to garnering everyone's attention and being incharge. And when Shepard came onto the scene Miranda felt she lost that pedestal and thus in someways felt compelled to constantly remind Shepard of her skill set. . . This can be misinterpreted as a lack of confidence in some ways (and folks may think it applies to the entire crew while it only applies to Shepard.) To others well just she comes across as a competition for that coveted pedestal. (My humble opinion.) Still if you take her on some missions with you, you can shake her confidence in her support structure - Cerberus. . . Especially when ole TIM sends the team on the collector ship. (she had some interesting reactions when I got pissed about TIM not warning me about the trap.) (I was fishing out various characters reactions on multiple playthoughs, and looking for easter eggs!)

With me. . . On my first playthough. My inclnation was to keep Miranda on the ship alot due to her uniform, and attitude unless I needed her skillset. I guess my thinking was to make sure as many as possible go home at the end of the day, so she kinda made me think . . . Oh great, gun battle + spandex + a need to prove to Shepard that I'm worthy. Humm not a good mix.

[lazuli]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Winterfly wrote...
And people complaining on the cat suit and the rear. Well, Bioware did it this way. Send your complains to them

We did that in the Miranda thread wish list. I would wish for more realistic outfits for everyone that don't fly in the face of common sense, and those ass shots are demeaning.

They get a lot better when you view them as satiric commentary on the state of female objectification in video games and western culture in general.  It's so over the top it almost has to be tongue-in-cheek.  Oh... no.  No pun intended.

[Ieldra]

Lazuli, you are absolutely correct - but there are people who take them at face value, and that hurts the image of the character.