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[Markinator_123]

Chignon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

"This isn't a popularity contest, lives are at stake."
- Miranda Lawson

This. Miranda is your XO whether you like her or not. I have to say that she does a good job as one.

[ADLegend21]

Yannkee wrote...

Miranda is my Shepard XO and I hope she will remain it in ME3. She's the most competent for this job and I don't want someone else.

All of this.

[xarthas2]

Element_Zero wrote...

 Still if you take her on some missions with you, you can shake her confidence in her support structure - Cerberus. . . Especially when ole TIM sends the team on the collector ship. (she had some interesting reactions when I got pissed about TIM not warning me about the trap.) (I was fishing out various characters reactions on multiple playthoughs, and looking for easter eggs!)

Whow, maybe I missed that. Do you remember what was her reaction?

[ToshiStation38]

Shepard having Garrus as his XO kind of reminds me of Adama having Colonel Tigh as his XO on Battlestar Galactica. I have trouble believing that Adama chose Tigh because he was the best man for the job, but that he did it because Tigh was his best friend, and he wanted him to be at his side, because Tigh was a pretty terrible XO.



Your XO shouldn't be your bestest bud, but someone who's competent, and willing to offer advisement if needed. Garrus also seemed extremely submissive to me in ME1. How many times does he say "Yeah, I guess you're right" in the game?

[Praetor Knight]

Hmm... I think I just might RP her as the permanent XO. Only taking her ashore when absolutely necessary like her LM.

And if we do not have a new XO on the Normandy in ME3 and Miranda is a squadmate, she'll fulfill the same role with the Normandy's crew.

She seems like a solid administrator, and her Combat AI always has irked me, but I don't agree with having to put her in her place, I must have missed something else in my playthroughs.

[Dean_the_Young]

Pacifien wrote...

Garrus is a fine leader in combat, but I don't find much in the game that indicates he has the best skills in running the day-to-day operations of a ship, much less a ship full of Cerberus personnel. If you listen to the crew (not Shepard's squad, but the ship's crew), they do mention Miranda specifically when talking about the mission. They see her as their boss.

And the reality is that sometimes you must work with people who you don't personally like. Why? Because 1) they're good at their job in spite of what you feel about them and it isn't always your choice to decide who gets which job. The Illusive Man put Shepard in charge of combating the Collectors, but it's obvious the Illusive Man didn't give Shepard carte blanche over he entire operation no matter what the he claims.

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

I don't think we can really say this. If Shepard had put his foot down and thrown a fit, I don't see much indication that TIM would have said No back.

Things is Shepard wouldn't say no. Just like Shepard's words and possible actions are confined with a scope of possibilities. It might be a moment of dissonance between Shepard and the Player, but it's no more different than, say, not being able to kill bystanders, or punch Udina, or tell someone 'shut the **** up.' What the player might want, and what Shepard wants, sometimes differ.

In-universe? Shepard, whether (s)he hated or loved Miranda, doesn't try to get Miranda fired. Just like Shepard doesn't join Saren right at the end of ME1, dooming all the galaxy to a Reaper invasion, no matter how many times I try.

[PsychoWARD23]

Vaenier wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I'd respect Miranda lot more if she ditched the cat-suit and quit shoving dat ass in my face, Straight woman here and all it does is annoy me.

She is not a bad person, but Bioware just makes me hate her. I am sick of having the camera go out of its way to show off her body. The fact she tries to act perfect is also annoying, but i can get past that. Bioware shoving her in my face is just plain unacceptable.

I am very tempted to just kill her in the suicide mission so I dont have to deal with it for my imports. I dont want to kill her, but if they give me no other choice, so be it.

This, it makes it seem like Miranda was made for the hormone-raging 12-year olds. Oh wait...

[PsychoWARD23]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Half of crew doesn't like Miranda, but most of crew doesn't care about Garrus.

"This isn't a popularity contest, lives are at stake."
- Miranda Lawson

This. Miranda is your XO whether you like her or not. I have to say that she does a good job as one.

But Bioware really f***ed up developing her and spent more time constructing her ass then her personality.

[CheeseEnchilada]

I always got the impression Shepard didn't really care if Miranda thought she was the XO. The new Normandy is far more relaxed in rank than the old one; it's a civilian ship after all. The only time an issue is ever raised is during the final mission when she says that she'll lead the second squad. Even then you can pick someone else to do it. If she actually came down and talked to the new crew members besides Jack, I think Shepard might care a little more.



Really, it all comes down to your own interpretation on the game, since you don't see many squadmates interact. In my own headcanon, Garrus is the unofficial XO and everyone knows it, but in someone else's, Tali or Miranda or Jacob might be.

[Iakus]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

rma2110 wrote...

I'd respect Miranda lot more if she ditched the cat-suit and quit shoving dat ass in my face, Straight woman here and all it does is annoy me.

She is not a bad person, but Bioware just makes me hate her. I am sick of having the camera go out of its way to show off her body. The fact she tries to act perfect is also annoying, but i can get past that. Bioware shoving her in my face is just plain unacceptable.

I am very tempted to just kill her in the suicide mission so I dont have to deal with it for my imports. I dont want to kill her, but if they give me no other choice, so be it.

This, it makes it seem like Miranda was made for the hormone-raging 12-year olds. Oh wait...

Bolded for truth

[Ieldra]

Those who say Miranda was made for "the hormone-raging 12-year olds" are unable to see beyond the facade presented by her outfit and the admittedly annoying camera angles, and so are just as guilty of being superficial as they accuse Bioware of having acted when creating her.



Also, one would think that target group to be better served by a younger character.

[GodEmperor0956]

If the XO's duty is to make sure the Normandy is supplied then why is Shepard running around the Citadel shopping for Spices.

[Nightwriter]

How can you be wasting good complaining on Miranda when there are important things like the character creator that so desperately need to be complained about.

[NanQuan]

Pacifien wrote...

Garrus is a fine leader in combat, but I don't find much in the game that indicates he has the best skills in running the day-to-day operations of a ship, much less a ship full of Cerberus personnel. If you listen to the crew (not Shepard's squad, but the ship's crew), they do mention Miranda specifically when talking about the mission. They see her as their boss.

And the reality is that sometimes you must work with people who you don't personally like. Why? Because 1) they're good at their job in spite of what you feel about them and it isn't always your choice to decide who gets which job. The Illusive Man put Shepard in charge of combating the Collectors, but it's obvious the Illusive Man didn't give Shepard carte blanche over he entire operation no matter what the he claims.

I'm curious to know what people felt about XO Pressley. His views didn't exactly win him any fans either.

Agree with this ^.  I was shocked when she announced that she was XO, but I know that TIM is calling the shots, no matter what he tells me.  While I'm not a cerberus fan, I needed them for their resources and there was little point in making enemies with Miranda over something like who gets to be XO. I didn't like Pressly, but I wasn't pissed that he was XO. Miranda is perfectly capable of doing the job, so she can have it. All that really matters is that Shepard is captain.

Modifié par NanQuan, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Nightwriter wrote...

How can you be wasting good complaining on Miranda when there are important things like the character creator that so desperately need to be complained about.

Mine's broken.

No matter what I come up with, it always tells me it's Commander Shepard.

[GodWood]

From what I understand an XO is responsible for management of day to day things such as maintenance and logistics thus allowing the commander to focus on tactical planning, execution and whatnot.



Isn't this the kind of stuff EDI should be doing?

[Ryzaki]

I have to agree with Godwood EDI's the most suited to the task.



Hell I like Miranda and wanted a couple of my Sheps to tell her to STFU about being his second in command. Really that powertrip was unnecessary. Jack's already enough of pain in the ass Shep didn't need Miranda's "LISTEN TO ME!" to get in the way.

[ilostmycookie]

I need to make her die on the suicide mission the next time I do it..

[Iakus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Those who say Miranda was made for "the hormone-raging 12-year olds" are unable to see beyond the facade presented by her outfit and the admittedly annoying camera angles, and so are just as guilty of being superficial as they accuse Bioware of having acted when creating her.

Also, one would think that target group to be better served by a younger character.

To specify, her appearance was made for hormone raging 12 year olds.  As a character concept, she's not bad.  A genetically engineered "perfect" human.  Cold, proud, even arrogant about her perfection, but perhaps not so certain as she appears, and in the end is as fallible as any human.  Good stuff.

But the outfit so tight you can see her navel, not so good.  Pure raging hormone service there.

[upsettingshorts]

Her outfit was actually a detriment to her character, I felt. The horny parts of me were like "DAT ASS" but my brain was saying, "You know, she might use sexuality as a tool to do her job but flaunting her body like this all the time doesn't mesh well with her professional, serious attitude. In fact, as a subject of genetic modification, by wearing skin tight clothes she's highlighting the very things about herself she resents."

[Count Viceroy]

iakus wrote...


But the outfit so tight you can see her navel, not so good.  Pure raging hormone service there.

Funny that this is always brought up, yet no one ever rages on Jacob who wears an identically 'revealing' outfit. In addition, his ass also have significant screen time.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Funny that this always is brought up, Yet, no one ever rages on Jacob who wears an identically 'revealing' outfit.

I have.  But at least in Jacob's case that's a result of hard work, that he's clearly proud of.  His showing off - even if it's equally silly in the sense that it's supposedly a uniform - is at least more in character than in Miranda's case.

[Aeowyn]

Count Viceroy wrote...

iakus wrote...


But the outfit so tight you can see her navel, not so good.  Pure raging hormone service there.

Funny that this always is brought up, yet no one ever rages on Jacob who wears an identically 'revealing' outfit. In addition, his ass also have significant screen time.

Please don't get me started on that.

[Nightwriter]

The camera doesn't focus on Jacob's ass near as much as Miranda's.

[luakel]

Count Viceroy wrote...
Funny that this is always brought up, yet no one ever rages on Jacob who wears an identically 'revealing' outfit. In addition, his ass also have significant screen time.

Jacob's outfit is just as annoying (as is Femshep's apparent inability to not hit on him)... but Jacob also seems to be the least-liked squadmate. Miranda's a much better character, so that's why her outfit comes up as a common problem; there aren't many other things to criticize.