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[Dhiro]

Cobrawar wrote...

I don't think Horns make a character visually distinct but rather much more menacing. Sten with horns looks totally different then a Sten without horns. Sten without horns is more welcoming.

Hardly. I'm guessing that people like Sten because of his personality. So if he's still a muscular giant that says "No." in that special, heart-breaking way, he'll be the same Sten. Also, he wouldn't have horns for in-lore motives.

[Razored1313]

Cobrawar wrote...

I don't think Horns make a character visually distinct but rather much more menacing. Sten with horns looks totally different then a Sten without horns. Sten without horns is more welcoming.

then dont worry, the devs already confirmed that sten will remain hornless not sure where though

[Dhiro]

Sorry, double post.

Modifié par Dhiro, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:08 .

[KhorinShizucor]

Cobrawar wrote...

I don't think Horns make a character visually distinct but rather much more menacing. Sten with horns looks totally different then a Sten without horns. Sten without horns is more welcoming.

Then, be glad to know that Sten would never have horns should we see him again. The fact that Sten is hornless is the reason why he was sent out to Fereldan.

I got ninja'd, twice! 

Modifié par KhorinShizucor, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:09 .

[Kail Ashton]

This was topical about 4 months ago, you missed the short bus to this whiney subject quite some time ago

[hawkmoondirge]

The horns are fine. The redesign is fine..If the inclusion of horns and lack there of is explained, and has signifgance then it's all good.

As for the changes to make it "Dragon effect" lets be honest here, a voiced protagonist, especially if they are named is important in this day and age. Combat changes are none existant other than console players control the auto attack.

The class redesigns, lets be honest do suck in some areas BUT allow distinction. The rogue in origins wasnt all that unique sometimes, especially in earlier levels. If you wish to be a duel wielder, be a rogue and take aggro and damage talents.

everything looks better, but like i said until it is played no one can accuratly state whether or not it will suck. But lets give them the benafit of the doubt.

Modifié par hawkmoondirge, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:11 .

[Cobrawar]

If Sten stays Hornless then there has to be a reason behind it. I do hope they explain it

[andar91]

Cobrawar wrote...

I don't think Horns make a character visually distinct but rather much more menacing. Sten with horns looks totally different then a Sten without horns. Sten without horns is more welcoming.

I laughed out loud at this.  I don't think I can see Sten as welcoming, even just visually, from any perspective.  His general design/demanor doesn't exactly say, "Let's have a nice chat by the fire where it's nice and cozy."


Seeing as how Qunari are hell-bent on converting everyone to their believes, by warfare if necessary, I don't think a menacing appearance is that much of a stretch.  And I'm sorry, but if horns don't make a race distinct, than nothing does.

[KhorinShizucor]

Cobrawar wrote...

If Sten stays Hornless then there has to be a reason behind it. I do hope they explain it

Because he was born without horns.

[andar91]

KhorinShizucor wrote...

Cobrawar wrote...

If Sten stays Hornless then there has to be a reason behind it. I do hope they explain it

Because he was born without horns.

This.  Already explained.

[hawkmoondirge]

Cobrawar wrote...

If Sten stays Hornless then there has to be a reason behind it. I do hope they explain it

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qunari

In Dragon Age II[/i], it is revealed that most qunari have horns. Some are born without them, but it is not considered a defect—on the contrary, those born without horns are considered special, as they are meant for a special role in qunari society such as a Ben-Hassrath or an envoy to the other races. Sten, as a soldier of the Beresaad, falls into this category. It is not uncommon for qunari who betray their beliefs to remove their own horns (as in the case of Armaas), though the reason for this act is not yet clear

There you go  boss, since sten still believes in the idealogy, he simply was born without them  

[Cobrawar]

I'm not judging the game. I'm examining the choices they are making which have me concerned. Is it a well thought out story that will entertain and make happy time in peoples pants or will it be a rushed out product flawed by bugs and story inconsistency's.

[Cobrawar]

Sten has no Horns because he just does.Sorry, that is the Crap writing I'm talking about.

[Razored1313]

Cobrawar wrote...

I'm not judging the game. I'm examining the choices they are making which have me concerned. Is it a well thought out story that will entertain and make happy time in peoples pants or will it be a rushed out product flawed by bugs and story inconsistency's.

no

[KhorinShizucor]

Cobrawar wrote...

Sten has no Horns because he just does.Sorry, that is the Crap writing I'm talking about.

Sten has no horns because there are Qunari born without them. Furthermore, they're used as envoys because they look less menacing. What's crap about that?

[Dhiro]

Cobrawar wrote...

Sten has no Horns because he just does.Sorry, that is the Crap writing I'm talking about.

Not everything needs to have a elaborate motive. He doesn't have a horn because he doesn't have a horn. Simple as that. The same way one is not red-haired because one simply is not red-haired.

[hawkmoondirge]

Cobrawar wrote...

Sten has no Horns because he just does.Sorry, that is the Crap writing I'm talking about.

Or, he was born without them? Really it doesn't matter. Look at comics, this retcon stuff happens all the time. It's stupid, but if it leads to something awesome, it can be forgiven.

The Qunari were pretty much tall really tan humans. if so, say they are a people like the orlisians. But no, they were a race. Now how to make the race more significant? Change the design.

It makes sense, if you remember in Ozammar you fought Qunari mercs. They had no horns, because they tore them off because merc work isn't part of their society.

it is a half decent retcon

[Cobrawar]

Then what about all those other Qunari we meet in the fade that didn't have any horns either? Were they special as well? It has to be explained not on some wiki, but rather in the story itself. Maybe Qunari DLC or expansion would fill this Void.

[Razored1313]

Cobrawar wrote...

Then what about all those other Qunari we meet in the fade that didn't have any horns either? Were they special as well? It has to be explained not on some wiki, but rather in the story itself. Maybe Qunari DLC or expansion would fill this Void.

"Some are born without them, but it is not considered a defect—on the contrary, those born without horns are considered special, as they are meant for a special role in qunari society such as a Ben-Hassrath or an envoy to the other races" everyone with sten were sent to ferelden, so it makes sense that they wouldnt have horns

[Melness]

Cobrawar wrote...

Then what about all those other Qunari we meet in the fade that didn't have any horns either? Were they special as well? It has to be explained not on some wiki, but rather in the story itself. Maybe Qunari DLC or expansion would fill this Void.

Not all Qunari have horns.

In fact, I think some take them off - the Tal-Vashtot  being a prime example.

[hawkmoondirge]

Hey more primary sources http://www.gameinfor...ri-evolved.aspx



“Not all qunari have horns,” says Dragon Age lead writer David Gaider. “Some are born without them, but it has never been considered a defect. Instead the mark is considered special, indicating one who is clearly meant for a special role in their society—as a Ben-Hassrath who enforces religious law or as an envoy to other races. It is also not uncommon for qunari who abandon their beliefs to remove their own horns, for reasons not yet clear.”



Oh a lead writer said so...and since he wrote the canon last game...

[Dhiro]

Cobrawar wrote...

Then what about all those other Qunari we meet in the fade that didn't have any horns either? Were they special as well? It has to be explained not on some wiki, but rather in the story itself. Maybe Qunari DLC or expansion would fill this Void.

Sten was dreaming about their companions, the ones that were killed in the Lake near the Circle. They, as Sten, were the "eyes" of the Arishok (I think that's the name?). Qunari like they don't have horns.

[Morroian]

Cobrawar wrote...

Then what about all those other Qunari we meet in the fade that didn't have any horns either? Were they special as well?

Can you not read? The wiki quote above explained it. As for an ingame explanation how do you know it won't be? And as for not judging it when you say the game will be crap cause they are giving the qunari horns you are judging it.

[Atakuma]

The only reason the qunari looked the way they did in origins was due to technical limitations.

they had to use the same rig as the other races, which is why they looked like tall humans.

[TheMadCat]

froogle345 wrote...

"Some are born without them, but it is not considered a defect—on the contrary, those born without horns are considered special, as they are meant for a special role in qunari society such as a Ben-Hassrath or an envoy to the other races" everyone with sten were sent to ferelden, so it makes sense that they wouldnt have horns

Part of the problem I think is that they decided to make those without horns "special", which seems incredibly odd and out of place considering the large amount of Qunari we encountered in Origins who had no horns or no scars left from their removal (Unless you cut the from the skull itself you're still going to have stumps and scars). I understand this is a total retcon to make things look cooler, but I'd think it would have played out better for both sides if horns were the unique trait  and viewed as a symbol of power and revered or something. The way they did it just feels way to much like a total change rather then a simple addition to the lore.

The only reason the qunari looked the way they did in origins was due to technical limitations.

they had to use the same rig as the other races, which is why they looked like tall humans.

Don't buy that, the game was in development for 5 or 6 years and went through a couple of technical overhauls. I'm sure they could have fit horns into the game if they wanted to, or at the very least stuck them into the lore.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:33 .