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[Gorath Alpha]

Having just had occasion to post the copy of the thread that this quote came from (elsewhere here on the Social Forums' site), the question now is whether any of the current desktop PC producers have gone bck to omitting a video bus?

Kiwi wrote:
Although the complaints seemed to stop coming up quite so often, so that the second iteration of this reference thread had been allowed to just age quietly, several recent recurrences of new members asking about these non-upgradeable (for gaming) add-in edge connector slots have appeared. 
 
     * Plain PCI video: it's worse than Integrated Video*
   
  Posted: Saturday, 04 November   2006 08:30PM 
 
Having just a few hours ago dug up another thread about IGPs, out of its own grave in the Archived Arts & Graphics Forum, this equally old one was going to wait for another day to rejoin the living, but that was just not to be the case, after all. I needed it back now ..

Plain PCI is a shared bus, running at the slow speed of 33 MHz. AGP 3 runs at 66 MHz and accellerates to 8 times that. PCI-e accellerates 16X. The PCI bus is just totally  too slow.  Despite the recently released ATI X1300 in PCI, that card's own, already bog-slow, performance is cut down by more than half when matched to this slow, general purpose bus.  You're looking at an expensive part (very low demand for it) and terrible return on the investment. 

During the period of 2002 to 2005, Dell, HP, and Sony produced milions of very cheaply made desktops that they omitted that era's video bus, AGP, from.  AGP was complex and expensive to implement.  They saved a lot by leaving it out, and passed on only part of their saving through price reductions.  Without any dedicated video bus, they were useless for games.  The old PCI bus is way too slow. 

When PCI Express replaced AGP, it included PCI-1, a better version of Plain PCI, but inertia has meant that a couple of PCI slots have usually been left on most newer desktop mainboard designs.  That was 2005, and the comparative cost of the PCI(16) and its follow-on updates for video compared to other add-on slot options has been quite small, so no one has omitted a video slot during 2006 to 2009, that I have heard about. 

I certainly hope that the new member complaining about performance is someone with an ancient, antique of a machine (not heard back from in nearly 24 hours), not something relatively new, starting up that same, bad idea for cheapening a system once again.

[Moondoggie]

I never realised Sony were doing it too. Dell produced some horrible crap over the years i often used to cringe whenever a family member bought one because i knew within 6 months there would be a major problem with it and i'd get a call from them. Same with HP stuff some of their models have been total garbage. Aren't Acer also guilty of producing some cheaply made tripe? Some of their laptops seem to fall apart in a few months.

[Gorath Alpha]

There were others, not including Gateway (which is now Acer), and you are correct about (some of) their laptops being only slightly better than yesterday's garbage; however, the desktops that my own worst apprehensions about was always the one we called Packard-Hell, which was purchased by one or another Japanese company, and transferred from the US to Scotland, to plague your part of the western world, rather than ours.

(I could've told you who owned P-B yesterday, I think, but today there is an empty pigeon hole in my memory where I'd put that datum.  Starts with an "N", and when that came to me, that name was almost in sight as well, but it got away before I could catch up to it)

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:10 .

[Moondoggie]

Packard Bell was worryingly popular in the UK for a while i dread to think how many people were suckered in I know my friends family had one that suffered an untimely death. My first Proper PC was a Compaq machine which lasted quite a while. i'm pretty sure was one of the people that became what is now HP but i can't be sure without looking it up.

[Bogsnot1]

You cant really go along and blame the computer manufacturers for dumb customers. Low end budget PC's exist to serve a small, but much needed corner of the market. Without those PC's, many people living near the poverty line would not have the capability to join the modern age.



The problem is with the idiots who seem to think buying a Morris 1500 will give them the same performance as a Ferrari, the towing capacity of a Kenworth, and safety of a Volvo.

[Gorath Alpha]

IMO, the producers and sellers exaggerated the capabilities of the badly crippled machines they were selling back then.  And I've remembered, I think, that it was NEC that purchased the P-B brand and started making them in Scotland for sale in Europe, to palm off on the unwary buyers there. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:18 .