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[crimzontearz]

BTCentral wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

yes and your abilities were simply reset (or you got a bonus of like 5 levels).......

NG+ is for people who believe 1 work playthrough is enough and want to keep playing with the same character

So basically, there is no real reason for having it, you just want it?

[/topic]

Keep playing the SAME game with the same skills stats and equipment, not a sequel

By your logic we should axe the option to pick your sex in DAO since it has positively no bearing on DA2 (I am oversimplifying I know) 

point is, it is a way to improve replayability for a lot of people around her, the dfevs know it by now (look at what happened with NG+ in ME2)...I just would like to know if it is in or not

[slimgrin]

Post got screwed up there.

All I said was if it really is taxing on resources, then I'd take a toolset as an added feature any day. At any rate it's a moot point. If it's not implemented by now, it ain't gonna happen.


Edit: agree with Scyphozoa's post below. ME1 ng+ all the way.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:41 .

[crimzontearz]

BTCentral wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

^Seems like a valid reason to me. It
helps replay value imo. I thought this idea was brilliant when Zelda
first did it eons ago.

Yes, but in this case if you want to play with the same character, and your skills, level, etc. are being reset anyway, why not just create a save at the start of the game, and play again from that?

No extra programming involved.

My point is, this will take up valuable programming time that could be put to much better use elsewhere.
I'll leave this topic at that.

oh really?

let's take DAO ok? Dao was structured so that after ostagar you could do ANY quest in any possible order with any possible equipment you could pick up on the way (save the landsmeet and final battle). The game had to, de facto, accopunt that you could arrive at denerim for the first time at level like 2 or at level 20 wearing the best gear in the game. NG+ would have affected nothing at all in that respect aside for the need for a few flags for certain objects because all it did was letting you start the game with an already fleshed out build and more equipment...which the game was already made to account for.

and guess what else? you could exploit your way  to level 25 at ostagar and wear the BEST armor and weapons in the whole game before even startign the first vanilla post lothering quest and EVERYTHING worked totally fine.. Even experienced modders AND developers themselves (preston if I remember right) said multiple times that the feture is trivial to implement and all they have to worry about is quality assurance.

so where do you see all this extra programming needed?....

[thomaswheeler94]

Crimzontearz, haha, yeah, like Mass Effect 1 - also like The Force Unleashed; once you've completed the game once, you can replay any level of the game with the levelled-up Starkiller, but if you start a new game/profile, you start off as the "newbie" Starkiller.



Unfortunately, I've never really had the chance to play either the Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights series, so I can't really make the comparison there. Sorry about that.

[BTCentral]

crimzontearz wrote...

Keep playing the SAME game with the same skills stats and equipment, not a sequel

point is, it is a way to improve replayability for a lot of people around her, the dfevs know it by now (look at what happened with NG+ in ME2)...I just would like to know if it is in or not

No, having a sex option is essential, having an optional NG+ feature is not.
As already said, as we haven't heard anything it's pretty unlikely it's going to be happening anyway.

I have played through ME2 and DA:O multiple times, with different sexes, classes, etc. and that works just fine.

I just don't see a valid reason for NG+ as it's not like ME1/2 where you get achievments for getting to certian levels/playing trhough more than once.

I must admit, I have not yet used ME1's NG+ feature, as i've only played through it once on the 360, though as I recently bought it on the PC I will be playing through it again, and possibly seeing how NG+ was done for ME1.

Modifié par BTCentral, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:59 .

[crimzontearz]

thomaswheeler94 wrote...

Crimzontearz, haha, yeah, like Mass Effect 1 - also like The Force Unleashed; once you've completed the game once, you can replay any level of the game with the levelled-up Starkiller, but if you start a new game/profile, you start off as the "newbie" Starkiller.

Unfortunately, I've never really had the chance to play either the Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights series, so I can't really make the comparison there. Sorry about that.

the difference was that in BG you could pluck your character from midway through a run of the game and restart the game with that without having to finish the run you were on

[crimzontearz]

BTCentral wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Keep playing the SAME game with the same skills stats and equipment, not a sequel

point is, it is a way to improve replayability for a lot of people around her, the dfevs know it by now (look at what happened with NG+ in ME2)...I just would like to know if it is in or not

Yes, but in ME2 when you used NG+ you did not keep your skills or items (excluding choosing one bonus skill).

Therefore I would assume, if they did implement it, you would not keep your skills or items either - which kind of defeats the whole point in them implementing it (if that's what you wanted it for - replaying with the same equipment, stats, items etc.) surely? As it would not happen that way?

And no, having a sex option is essential, having an optional NG+ feature is not.

As already said, as we haven't heard anything it's pretty unlikely it's going to be happening anyway.

did we play the same game????

in ME you kept all weapons equipment and skills in NG+ you only lost the upgrades

WTF are you on about? are you confusing NG+ with ME1 character import?

[thomaswheeler94]

Crimzonteaz - oh, in that case, definitely not like Baldur's Gate.. No, that's definitely not what I want... That almost feels like cheating to me. Definitely not - only once completed the game, and only with the same character.



BTCentral, your "And no, having a sex option is essential, having an optional NG+ feature is not", there's lots of things in the game that aren't essential (to be honest, I'd put the sex option as non-essential - so long as the story and gameplay are Bioware standard, I'd be happy with whatever sex I played as), but NG+ is something that a lot of us would like the option of using.



Maybe even for those people who like to create the same custom hero (be it Shepard, the Grey Warden, Hawke, or anyone else), but don't want to have the NG+ features, maybe each custom face/body created could be added to the pre-made character models that are available for the character creation... If that helps sway those against NG+ at all?

[BTCentral]

crimzontearz wrote...

did we play the same game????

in ME you kept all weapons equipment and skills in NG+ you only lost the upgrades

WTF are you on about? are you confusing NG+ with ME1 character import?

Ugh, no, i'm just getting confused. It's been a while since I used ME2's NG+ and obviously got confused with a different game. Just checked, you do indeed keep your skills.

thomaswheeler94 wrote...

BTCentral, your "And no, having a
sex option is essential, having an optional NG+ feature is not",
there's lots of things in the game that aren't essential (to be honest,
I'd put the sex option as non-essential - so long as the story and
gameplay are Bioware standard, I'd be happy with whatever sex I played
as), but NG+ is something that a lot of us would like the option of
using.

We'll have to agree to disagree there. If there was only one sex, I am sure it would alienate many people.

That, and it does change the story at least to some extent. If there was one sex, they may as well scrap half the companions. (Ok, over exaggerating, but you get the idea).

Modifié par BTCentral, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:55 .

[crimzontearz]

BTCentral wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

did we play the same game????

in ME you kept all weapons equipment and skills in NG+ you only lost the upgrades

WTF are you on about? are you confusing NG+ with ME1 character import?

Ugh, no, i'm just getting confused. It's been a while since I used ME2's NG+ and obviously got confused with a different game.

in ME2 you have 3 options

-start a brand new shepard
-import a ME1 endgame shepard, your skills will be rest and depending on what level you were at endgame you get a XP bonus + money
-start NG+ with a shepard you finished a ME2 game with. Yoy keep the level, the weapons, the Armor and whatnot you only lose upgrades

[BTCentral]

crimzontearz wrote...

in ME2 you have 3 options

-start a brand new shepard
-import a ME1 endgame shepard, your skills will be rest and depending on what level you were at endgame you get a XP bonus + money
-start NG+ with a shepard you finished a ME2 game with. Yoy keep the level, the weapons, the Armor and whatnot you only lose upgrades

Right, I think I must have got mixed up between the import ME1 and ME2 features for NG+ somehow.

I only ever bothered with ME2 NG+ the once (quite some time ago) then went back and started again by importing my FemShep from ME1 to play the game from a different perspective/class.

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Anyhow, I think i've made my opinion clear that if the devs have already planned/are implementing this then fine, but if not that they have better things they could be doing.

I'll leave this topic at that

Modifié par BTCentral, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:02 .

[crimzontearz]

BTCentral wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

in ME2 you have 3 options

-start a brand new shepard
-import a ME1 endgame shepard, your skills will be rest and depending on what level you were at endgame you get a XP bonus + money
-start NG+ with a shepard you finished a ME2 game with. Yoy keep the level, the weapons, the Armor and whatnot you only lose upgrades

Right, I think I must have got mixed up between the import ME1 and ME2 features for NG+ somehow.

as further notice

the ME2 NG+ feature was announced only on dec 24th before the release in february.....so, there is hope since the devs did not deny it's existence they just said they could not talk about it in DA2

[Atakuma]

Devs, how can you torture poor crimzontearz like this?

[thomaswheeler94]

BTCentral - I do understand your point, and though yes I know it would alienate (again, exaggeration) half the players of the game, I'll agree to disagree with you and leave it at that (before it does become the new subject of the thread).

[crimzontearz]

Atakuma wrote...

Devs, how can you torture poor crimzontearz like this?

 hold me?

[slimgrin]

I wouldn't get your hopes up tearz. An awful lot of talk about limited resources whenever the devs post...

This is simply not a priority.

~edit for sp.

Modifié par slimgrin, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:09 .

[ladydesire]

crimzontearz wrote...

as further notice

the ME2 NG+ feature was announced only on dec 24th before the release in february.....so, there is hope since the devs did not deny it's existence they just said they could not talk about it in DA2

NG+ is only useful for DA2 if there are no plans for an expansion pack, which we have know way of knowing at this time. I'm pretty sure that most games that have it are one's that don't ever have expansions made for them. Of course, I think I've pointed this out before.

[crimzontearz]

slimgrin wrote...

I wouldn't get your hopes up tearz. An awful lot of talk about limited recourses whenever the devs post...

This is simply not a priority.

it wasn't in ME2 either......look at what happened 

[Chaia]

Atakuma wrote...

Devs, how can you torture poor crimzontearz like this?

The BioWare building is probably filled with the sounds of evil giggerling all coming from Evil Chris Priestly's Den of Doom!

[crimzontearz]

ladydesire wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

as further notice

the ME2 NG+ feature was announced only on dec 24th before the release in february.....so, there is hope since the devs did not deny it's existence they just said they could not talk about it in DA2

NG+ is only useful for DA2 if there are no plans for an expansion pack, which we have know way of knowing at this time. I'm pretty sure that most games that have it are one's that don't ever have expansions made for them. Of course, I think I've pointed this out before.

not necessarily if you have a level cap (which is 50 now) and the expansion simply raises it

[ladydesire]

crimzontearz wrote...

not necessarily if you have a level cap (which is 50 now) and the expansion simply raises it

Expansions (at least from Bioware) have always been about new challenges for your imported character, not making it easy for them to complete the expansion. If they are doing away with full expansions, then sure, they can do whatever they want with the game, including adding NG+.

[crimzontearz]

ladydesire wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

not necessarily if you have a level cap (which is 50 now) and the expansion simply raises it

Expansions (at least from Bioware) have always been about new challenges for your imported character, not making it easy for them to complete the expansion. If they are doing away with full expansions, then sure, they can do whatever they want with the game, including adding NG+.

aaaaaand you cannot add challenge in an expansion and NG+? right.......I'll leave it at this but honestly if they start releasing goold like LOTSB for DA2 I'll definitely not miss an expansion

[ladydesire]

crimzontearz wrote...

aaaaaand you cannot add challenge in an expansion and NG+? right.......I'll leave it at this but honestly if they start releasing goold like LOTSB for DA2 I'll definitely not miss an expansion

I'll just say that I've not played LotSB, but the other DLC for ME2 (and ME2 itself) weren't all that appealing to me (yes, I do own most of them), whereas I enjoyed all of the DAO DLCs except for Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song. Apparently our tastes in DLC differ, so if the ME2 stuff is the way Bioware is going with DA2 DLC, I'll miss the expansions if they don't make any, and likely pass on DA2 DLC, other than the Staff of Parlathon.

[BTCentral]

ladydesire wrote...

other than the Staff of Parlathon.

Even if you don't plan on getting paid DLC, you might want to pickup the free Hindsight belt too.

Modifié par BTCentral, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:43 .