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[Sylvius the Mad]

If there is NG+, please make it optional.

While I fail utterly to see the appeal of such a feature, I also know that I strongly dislike the effect it has on subsequent playthroughs if you can't disable it. Like all the bonuses you get in ME for having already completed the game once.

[crimzontearz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

If there is NG+, please make it optional.
While I fail utterly to see the appeal of such a feature, I also know that I strongly dislike the effect it has on subsequent playthroughs if you can't disable it. Like all the bonuses you get in ME for having already completed the game once.

in ME2 NG+ yelded very little bonuses (aside like 25% more XP or something) if you just started a brand new game,,,,,,

[crimzontearz]

I know how broklolly felt before the PC gameplay vid was released -sniffles-

[Sylvius the Mad]

crimzontearz wrote...

in ME2 NG+ yelded very little bonuses (aside like 25% more XP or something) if you just started a brand new game,,,,,,

A 25% XP bonus is a huge difference.  I absolutely do not want that foisted on me.

[BTCentral]

David Gaider wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

come on Gaider.....listen to Maria!

and aside from the warm and fuzzy feelings Maria gave me.... you know what kinda gets me is, why the silence?

I started to ask Mike about this, but lost interest half-way through the question.

I propose a new forum smiley for situations such as these:

Modifié par BTCentral, 06 janvier 2011 - 07:03 .

[crimzontearz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

in ME2 NG+ yelded very little bonuses (aside like 25% more XP or something) if you just started a brand new game,,,,,,

A 25% XP bonus is a huge difference.  I absolutely do not want that foisted on me.

you DO realize tho Sylvius that those bonuses had nothing to do with NG+ right? those bonuses are tied to just completing the game once not to the NG+ feature. Justy like certain achievements (the companion achievements) gave the players bonuses on every subsequent playthrough. You really cannot pin any of those on NG+ since they would have been there even if NG+ was not (just like unlocking specializations in DAO or bonus items from compleated DLC)

[FieryDove]

crimzontearz wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

in ME2 NG+ yelded very little bonuses (aside like 25% more XP or something) if you just started a brand new game,,,,,,

A 25% XP bonus is a huge difference.  I absolutely do not want that foisted on me.

you DO realize tho Sylvius that those bonuses had nothing to do with NG+ right? those bonuses are tied to just completing the game once not to the NG+ feature. Justy like certain achievements (the companion achievements) gave the players bonuses on every subsequent playthrough. You really cannot pin any of those on NG+ since they would have been there even if NG+ was not (just like unlocking specializations in DAO or bonus items from compleated DLC)

This is true...so NG should be in.

[crimzontearz]

FieryDove wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

in ME2 NG+ yelded very little bonuses (aside like 25% more XP or something) if you just started a brand new game,,,,,,

A 25% XP bonus is a huge difference.  I absolutely do not want that foisted on me.

you DO realize tho Sylvius that those bonuses had nothing to do with NG+ right? those bonuses are tied to just completing the game once not to the NG+ feature. Justy like certain achievements (the companion achievements) gave the players bonuses on every subsequent playthrough. You really cannot pin any of those on NG+ since they would have been there even if NG+ was not (just like unlocking specializations in DAO or bonus items from compleated DLC)

This is true...so NG should be in.

yes it should but I get the feeling Gaider is reeeeeeeeeeeeeally enjoying tormenting me

[Khayness]

crimzontearz wrote...

I know how broklolly felt before the PC gameplay vid was released -sniffles-

Atleast he became an inside joke, and he was funny about it.

[crimzontearz]

Khayness wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I know how broklolly felt before the PC gameplay vid was released -sniffles-

Atleast he became an inside joke, and he was funny about it.

pfft I got recognition and compassionate words + compliments from Maria Caliban......that thrumps everything

[Khayness]

crimzontearz wrote...

pfft I got recognition and compassionate words + compliments from Maria Caliban......that thrumps everything

You aim too low. Product a thousand inquries and maybe you make it as an ingame NPC.

[nightcobra]

Khayness wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

pfft I got recognition and compassionate words + compliments from Maria Caliban......that thrumps everything

You aim too low. Product a thousand inquries and maybe you make it as an ingame NPC.

he already is, just take a look at the stuff leaking from the hurlocks eyes...crimson tears:lol:

[Sylvius the Mad]

crimzontearz wrote...

you DO realize tho Sylvius that those bonuses had nothing to do with NG+ right?

No.  I maintain that those bonuses are NG+, and they should be optional.

Every feature that changes how the game plays on subsequent trips through should be optional.

Justy like certain achievements (the companion achievements) gave the players bonuses on every subsequent playthrough.

Those also should have been optional.

You really cannot pin any of those on NG+ since they would have been there even if NG+ was not (just like unlocking specializations in DAO or bonus items from compleated DLC)

I don't care what NG+ features are in the game, as long as they're optional.

[magicwins]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

magicwins wrote...

I believe it hurts roleplaying but enhances gameplay. It was fine for ME2 because that was what it was going for anyway. I hope that's not what DA2 is going for. And I don't know whether I'd sacrifice the former for the latter.

But yes, devs, throw the poor guy a bone, wouldja?

How would it hurt roleplaying?  Being level 50 or what have you will make you a wrecking ball throughout the game,  but,  I don't see how that strips away the character's ability to make choices.  By a similiar vein I would suggest playing the game at all a second time hurts roleplaying because you understand the consquences of choices that you've already made.

It depends upon how it's implemented. ME2 in that aspect had a relatively mild implementation, just gave you a beginning mineral boost. GOW (I've been told) had something much more impactful and turned you into a gigantic badass.

Look, I just think it hurts roleplaying to start off really powerful. The fun part for me in any RPG is the lower levels when stuff is still new, inventory is much less cluttered and fights are actually challenging. NG+ is only really fun when you've already played through half a dozen times and really don't care about story or choices anymore. Otherwise it feels weird. Not wrong, but weird.

Oh, and if you believe that making the same choices twice over does not mean I play as the same person twice over and have the same dilemmas in the same places, you are very wrong.

DAO had very few choices where things turned out completely different from where you expected them to be. Dagna and Bhelen come to mind. Those are perhaps the only two choices I retrospectively changed. Most of the choices are moral dilemmas with no singular answer. Do I kill the mother, or the child? Do I steal the wounded elf's belongings (in the forest) or return him as is? These are questions with no right or wrong, and I can always make the exact same decision and feel good about it.

But that's besides the point. I believe that if it is implemented, it should be optional. That is all.

[crimzontearz]

yeah well.....I'm still on a warm and fuzzy patch from Maria's post so

[Annihilator27]

David Gaider wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

come on Gaider.....listen to Maria!

and aside from the warm and fuzzy feelings Maria gave me.... you know what kinda gets me is, why the silence?

I started to ask Mike about this, but lost interest half-way through the question.

My god, They repurposed him!!!!

[magicwins]

crimzontearz wrote...

yeah well.....I'm still on a warm and fuzzy patch from Maria's post so

Hey, if somebody made me a really nice post like that complete with puppy pictures, I'd feel warm and fuzzy too

Modifié par magicwins, 06 janvier 2011 - 09:35 .

[crimzontearz]

oh, and Sylvius, as much as you may consider it NG+ those post completion bonuses are not NG+. NG+ is not "everything that modifies a subsequent playthrough" otherwise little things like extra outfits in RE2 or additional story paths unlocked after game completion would be NG+ as well and they are not.



I understand what you are saying and I totally agree that those perks should be optionals..BUT...they are not NG+

[Atakuma]

[crimzontearz]

awwww I feel the wuv

[Sylvius the Mad]

crimzontearz wrote...

BUT...they are not NG+

Then kindly define the scope of NG+ so we can have an intelligent conversation.

[nightcobra]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

BUT...they are not NG+

Then kindly define the scope of NG+ so we can have an intelligent conversation.

NG+ = starting a new game with features such as character level and inventory items/gold from the previous playthrough (features may vary, if bonuses are apparent even when not in NG+ they do not not count since they would not be specific to the mode itself)

at least, that's my take on it.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 06 janvier 2011 - 10:56 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

NG+ = starting a new game with features such as character level and inventory items/gold from the previous playthrough

Replaying the game, and in doing so receiving benefits based on the results of a previous playthrough.

I don't see how that's different from what I was describing.

[crimzontearz]

one involes importing an endgame character and starting the game playing him/her (and only him or her) already levelled and geared. The other involves bonuses applicable to to ANY new character and not just imports from previous finished runs.

[nightcobra]

crimzontearz wrote...

one involes importing an endgame character and starting the game playing him/her (and only him or her) already levelled and geared. The other involves bonuses applicable to to ANY new character and not just imports from previous finished runs.

this, it is by nature an optional mode and not an obligatory one. at least i've never seen a game which forced me to have to begin a new game with my previous character's levels and treasures.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 06 janvier 2011 - 11:24 .