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[Asheer_Khan]

I really wonder how "paragon" Geth would really react if they would learn every single detail about Overlord purpose...



And seriously... even in vanilla game Anderson stated very clear that Geth threat for galaxy is reduced to minimal and Alliance/Council forces have right now upper hand because after Saren's defeat majority of Geth resumed their stance "Stay away from our yard and you be safe"...



Many paragons were bashed here on this forum for brainwashing heretics but then i ask.



What's difference (except that small well known orange logo) between brainwashing heretics and because of that eliminate possible Harbinger allies and Overlord attempt to enslave entire collective under human control?



Remember that Rael's research could end in Geth attack on flotilla if they would learn details so i doubt that they would stay idle knowing Overlord purpose...

[Arijharn]

Actually Asheer, I think that if Admiral Xen has continued Rael's research, then Overlord could become even more essential. I'd use it as the ace up the sleeve though and wouldn't open up with the Overlord strategy (preferring to use Legion and appeal to the Geth that way for pre-emptive strikes) but if Xen manages to rob the Geth of their 'free will' then Overlord would be a good way to mitigate any threat that Xen and Rael's research brings up, because by that time the True Geth wouldn't be the 'True Geth' at all, but Xen's Geth.

[Xilizhra]

This is why I shut down both Xen and Overlord.

[Arijharn]

How do you 'shut down' Xen? She doesn't listen to you and she sends you that email afterwards saying that if you were honest about your discoveries humanity might have 'reaped the benefits.

[Xilizhra]

True, I misspoke. But I have every intention of doing so in ME3.

[Asheer_Khan]

No, she is pretty much "shut down" if all data from Alarai remains in Tali's omni tool.



What she can "scrub" in Alarai's computers after Shep left are fractions of the main data but her delusion of grandure is still strong.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But it does contribute a ton of "evidence" for the "Cerberus is inept" argument.

You clearly missed the point of Overlord. It was definitely contributing evidence to the "Cerberus is evil" argument.

[Arijharn]

I'm pretty sure that it's actually really hard to completely get rid of data on a hard disk. That's why police can still find and prosecute people for stuff like child pornography if that crap was on their hard disk. As far as I know, you actually have to do pretty trippy stuff to properly 'scrub' that data.



Xen straight up tells you she's found stuff and enough for her to work out what was going on, so I'm not quite ready to completely dismiss what she says because I don't like the implications.

[lovgreno]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But it does contribute a ton of "evidence" for the "Cerberus is inept" argument.

You clearly missed the point of Overlord. It was definitely contributing evidence to the "Cerberus is evil" argument.

Hard to say exactly what the writers intended with that story. To me it seems like they wanted to make us question the worth of Cerberus wacky experiments. Well of course it mostly was to make Shepard look heroic like basicaly every story in ME.

[The Big Nothing]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Bad writing or not, what happened in Overlord realy happened.

In the context of a war like what is about to happen in ME3 what happened to a few dozen people ( including the autistic kid ) doesn't matter in my eyes when I think whether or not I will give David to Cerberus ( which I always do, judge all you want ).

I personally always try and fit into the shoes of whatever character I am playing in a RPG, and make choices based on what I feel is right or wrong. If such a situation as fighting the Reapers would arise IRL then I would **** my pants.

Given the context, morality takes a hike down a black hole for me. Not saying I am full Renegade as almost 90% of my major choices are Paragon, but you can't cut corners when dealing with the Reapers ( at least the way I view it ), nor can you just say I don't want X as an ally because he is a monster.

Morality is what separates us from animals, though. Does a race deserve salvation if it is willing to cannibalize itself to get it?

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 03 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .

[didymos1120]

Arijharn wrote...

I'm pretty sure that it's actually really hard to completely get rid of data on a hard disk. That's why police can still find and prosecute people for stuff like child pornography if that crap was on their hard disk. As far as I know, you actually have to do pretty trippy stuff to properly 'scrub' that data.

Uh, no.  It's not that difficult.  There's about a bajillion free utilities that can obliviate data.  Police constantly find stuff because people are sloppy about it, or don't bother out of hubris or stupidity.  Or both. 

[didymos1120]

The Big Nothing wrote...
Morality is what separates us from animals, though.

Not all of them. We're very much more sophisticated about it, but rudimentary moral systems are not exactly uncommon in social species.  Especially mammals.

[Zulu_DFA]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

No, she is pretty much "shut down" if all data from Alarai remains in Tali's omni tool.

What she can "scrub" in Alarai's computers after Shep left are fractions of the main data but her delusion of grandure is still strong.

Data on Tali's omni-tool only incriminate Rael'Zorah. Xen is mad at you if you present them in public during the trial, because it makes it more difficult for her to continue his research. but she gets the "scrub" and sends you the same e-mail regardless.

That's why I think the best way to prevent the Quarians from going to war is:

1) Take Legion to the Rayya.
2) Advise all admirals against going to war.
3) Reveal the truth about Rael'Zorah.

[Zulu_DFA]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But it does contribute a ton of "evidence" for the "Cerberus is inept" argument.

You clearly missed the point of Overlord. It was definitely contributing evidence to the "Cerberus is evil" argument.

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

[Jagri]

Ah yes, Cerberus being competent. We have dismissed that claim.

[Vaenier]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But it does contribute a ton of "evidence" for the "Cerberus is inept" argument.

You clearly missed the point of Overlord. It was definitely contributing evidence to the "Cerberus is evil" argument.

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

Idiot Ball/Villain Ball

Here, use these. Sums it up nicely for you.

[Annihilator27]

I wouldve used the Cain...........

[Teknor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

Then you should dismiss ME too with it's pathetically conducted Cerberus experiments.

[Zulu_DFA]

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

Then you should dismiss ME too with it's pathetically conducted Cerberus experiments.

I am fine having dismissed "Overlord" only.

[Vaenier]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

Then you should dismiss ME too with it's pathetically conducted Cerberus experiments.

I am fine having dismissed "Overlord" only.

Why not derelict Reaper too? Another obvious screw up just so Shepard could have something to fight through. How else do you get thousands of Husks from a handful of scientists and nobody knowing anything?

[Zulu_DFA]

Vaenier wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

Then you should dismiss ME too with it's pathetically conducted Cerberus experiments.

I am fine having dismissed "Overlord" only.

Why not derelict Reaper too? Another obvious screw up just so Shepard could have something to fight through. How else do you get thousands of Husks from a handful of scientists and nobody knowing anything?

Well, I can suspend my disbelief here under the gameplay vs. story segregation protocol. It is, of course, dam shame that BioWare decided to make ME2 into a 3D-arcade, but that's what it is. Storywise there were just a couple of dozen husks on the Reaper.

A bigger plothole is the Klendagon Gun. A weapon shooting slugs from one star system to another, seriously? Well, maybe it's a sort of a warp gun or some such. And the shot at Klendagon was a target practice.

But the thing on the brink of dismissal next to the "Overlord" DLC is the "crew abduction" sequence, in part due to the idiot ball the Collectors brought with them on the Normandy instead of seeker swarms and a nuke.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:37 .

[luakel]

Vaenier wrote...
Idiot Ball/Villain Ball

Here, use these. Sums it up nicely for you.

I dunno, maybe Cerberus is handling the ball alot more in ME2 and Overlord, but most of the people Shepard meets even in ME1 seem rather lacking in the brains department. Not Lorik Qui'in though, that guy's got style and brains.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
A bigger plothole is the Klendagon Gun. A weapon shooting slugs from one star system to another, seriously? Well, maybe it's a sort of a warp gun or some such. And the shot at Klendagon was a target practice.

Maybe the Reaper just drifted from the system with Klendagon to the system it's found in? It has been 37 million years or so, though that doesn't account for how it wasn't found by anyone before Cerberus (or maybe it was...)

Zulu_DFA wrote...
But the thing on the brink of dismissal next to the "Overlord" DLC is the "crew abduction" sequence, in part due to the idiot ball the Collectors brought with them on the Normandy instead of seeker swarms and a nuke.

I thought it was a bit worse how Shepard decided to go on a mission so crucial that he needed to take the entire squad with him, and we didn't even get an explanation as to what it was.

Modifié par luakel, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:41 .

[Jagri]

luakel wrote...
I thought it was a bit worse how Shepard decided to go on a mission so crucial that he needed to take the entire squad with him, and we didn't even get an explanation as to what it was.

Hot Springs Planet... It was great

[Zulu_DFA]

luakel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
But the thing on the brink of dismissal next to the "Overlord" DLC is the "crew abduction" sequence, in part due to the idiot ball the Collectors brought with them on the Normandy instead of seeker swarms and a nuke.

I thought it was a bit worse how Shepard decided to go on a mission so crucial that he needed to take the entire squad with him, and we didn't even get an explanation as to what it was.

Sure, I include that in the meaning of "sequence". It's a sequence of plot holes, starting with taking away the decision to activate the IFF from the player. Then the "all crew on shuttle" nonsense, then how quick the Collector Cruiser is to arrive and home on the signal (and it's the biggest, practically impossible, unless the Collector Ship uses some other travel method and doesn't need the mass relays save for the O-4, which however is never hinted on). And then the ineptitude of the Collectors' boarding party. All for the cheap way to "amp things up" and add "urgency" to the mix.

[wolfsite]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

But it does contribute a ton of "evidence" for the "Cerberus is inept" argument.

You clearly missed the point of Overlord. It was definitely contributing evidence to the "Cerberus is evil" argument.

Maybe it was trying to, but it came across as "Cerberus is utterly inept". But it's an inept piece of writing, nothing more.
Anyway, I have dismissed it.

Then all future posts from you are invalid and no longer have any say in this.  If you want to support Cerberus you have to take everything that is Cerberus which includes Overlord, you can't just say oh Cerberus is great but since this makes us looks bad I declare it didn't happen.

There are quite a few real world examples I can use but frankly I feel I would be dishonouring those who died in them to use it in comparison to a video game.