Dionkey wrote...
Have you even read retribution? Your looking at people in numbers, not the philosphical value of it. Cerberus have conducted experiments on abducted civillians once they gained control of the collectore base. I don't care if its 15 or 1500, what their doing is a load of BS.
Heh, around in circles we go. I don't pretend to say that what Cerberus is doing is nice or even palatable, but the fact of the matter is that I doubt anyone would want to die due to someone else's inaction. Let me try and explain in another way: everyone has hopes and dreams, but to not take steps that may damn a few but save the many is in my opinion incredibly
selfish.
Casting judgement on an entire species (plus more) because you don't want to cross an imaginary line drawn in the sand is the most morally vile thing I can think of, because I think if you really were serious about saving people; you'd want to save as many people as possible, even if that will kill others. This is why I actually liked the Virmire Survivor dilemna, although it was ruined for me in part because I think they alluded to this choice before the game came out (at least; I was aware of it before I played it).
Dionkey wrote...
The ends don't justify the means here. There are other ways to examine reaper technology without using live subjects, even if that means it takes a bit longer. You can't start sacrificing people for the greater good unless it is an absolute split second moment.
The point being is that we aren't in the position to find out what the timeline for the Reapers arriving in universe could be. It could be 6 months, 6 years or 6 decades or hell, 6 seconds. We know there's a sense of urgency (because it would be plainly stupid to assume there isn't any).
I'd like to ask you to ponder something else though. We have no idea how Indoctrination works. I'd rather test it in 'safe' lab conditions before the Reapers arrive though and since Indoctrination only works on organic targets and we have no idea where to begin, then honestly starting it on an enemy seems like the most prudent decision (I'm not going to ask my employee's or allies to do so after all). If I was TIM, I'd rather not have lose threads dangling.
The only thing that failed in Grayson's indoctrination test is that the Turian's kicked down their front door, which is something I can't honestly blame Cerberus for not seeing in advance simply because Cerberus isn't a standing army to defend itself against attack but principally rely's on stealth and misdirection to defend itself. They couldn't expect that Anderson would sell them to the Turian's of all people and more to the point; weaken the perception of the Systems Alliance within the greater galactic community.
Dionkey wrote...
If that costs us the war, thats not for us to decide.
What are you talking about? If I threatened to put a gun to your head I'd expect you to struggle and resist at some point. Since Cerberus see's themselves as something of a knight (although not a knight in shining armour) it makes sense to me that they'd want to empower humanity to defend itself (and to be 'proactive' in that defense).
Look, the point I'm trying to make is this: If you feel bad about actions such as Overlord, you can at least massage your conscience afterwards and seek absolution. You can't if your actions kill everyone.
Dionkey wrote...
I don't see any Cerberus operatives testing it on themselves or volunteering. Its because they know exactly what they are committing and aren't willing to use themselves for the "greater good". You can't condemn anybody to that kind of torture by randomly picking civillians. I am sure your opinion would change if you or your family was taken.
That's a fair comment, but lets face it, it would make a pretty boring story if Cerberus was completely successful all the time. I accept that some of their results are merely to add a sense of heroism for Shephard, others I accept for the point of trying to act some morale gray (which I prefer, since I think pure evil to be a pretty boring concept in a universe that otherwise tries to be pretty realistic).
The thing though is that I don't see how you as a rational person can say that Cerberus personnel
never test on themselves since you have obviously never seen
all their projects. I mean, isn't that highly presumptious? I can see how you came to your conclusion though, but I'm hesitant to say that's the only way they conduct business simply because my perspective is biased.
I'm sure my opinion would be clouded if it was my family too, but if my family's deaths would mean that many more could live on, then while I couldn't be trusted to make that call myself, I can understand the rationale and even intellectually agree.
Retour en haut
Renegade Shepards never found any blatantly "evil" Cerberus screwups, Paragons never got resurrected/worked for Cerberus in the first place.
