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[JamieCOTC]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Yes. It was a Cerberus mission. They are ultimately accountable.

True. But, hell, I must take this to the next Zaeed-bashing thread. "Zaeed is innocent like a baby, it's all Cerberus' fault!!!"

Zaeed makes me happy. I half expected him to show me his "Bad Mother F***er" wallet that he stole from a museum exhibit honoring Samuel L. Jackson.

Zaeed had to grow on me, but I like him now.  He looks like he stepped off the set of the Wild Geese. 

[Nashiktal]

Love Zaeed, pissed that I lost him to the suicide mission. Since I never really talked to him on the ship, all I did was read his description before committing him to team leader. >.>



I was pissed that a merc vet couldnt hand a trip down the hallway.

[JamieCOTC]

Nashiktal wrote...

Love Zaeed, pissed that I lost him to the suicide mission. Since I never really talked to him on the ship, all I did was read his description before committing him to team leader. >.>

I was pissed that a merc vet couldnt hand a trip down the hallway.

*sigh* He probably started waxing goddamned nostalgic.  He tends to do that. 

[-Skorpious-]

Hate?! I love TIM!

[Zulu_DFA]

Nashiktal wrote...

Love Zaeed, pissed that I lost him to the suicide mission. Since I never really talked to him on the ship, all I did was read his description before committing him to team leader. >.>

I was pissed that a merc vet couldnt hand a trip down the hallway.

Those "specialist roles" on the suicide mission are suxx and plotholes. But Zaeed was initially meant to be a successful Fire Team leader. But then BioWare probably decided to Jacob needs some love too, and 4 right persons for the job were too much.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Love Zaeed, pissed that I lost him to the suicide mission. Since I never really talked to him on the ship, all I did was read his description before committing him to team leader. >.>

I was pissed that a merc vet couldnt hand a trip down the hallway.

Those "specialist roles" on the suicide mission are suxx and plotholes. But Zaeed was initially meant to be a successful Fire Team leader. But then BioWare probably decided to Jacob needs some love too, and 4 right persons for the job were too much.

They should have made Miranda not work then. I don't really understand how she's qualified to lead a fire team.

[JamieCOTC]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Love Zaeed, pissed that I lost him to the suicide mission. Since I never really talked to him on the ship, all I did was read his description before committing him to team leader. >.>

I was pissed that a merc vet couldnt hand a trip down the hallway.

Those "specialist roles" on the suicide mission are suxx and plotholes. But Zaeed was initially meant to be a successful Fire Team leader. But then BioWare probably decided to Jacob needs some love too, and 4 right persons for the job were too much.

They should have made Miranda not work then. I don't really understand how she's qualified to lead a fire team.

Me neither, especially when nearly everything that comes out of her mouth is wrong. 

"Any biotic can do it ... Oops, sorry Thane." 

-Skorpious- wrote...

Hate?! I love TIM!

funny.    At least my Shep complments TIM on his instincts.  

[PauseforEffect]

To the OP, no, the players have not forgotten the patronage of Cerberus just as they have not forgotten the actions Cerberus employees have inflicted on people. And if Shepard and Jack are considered to be Cerberus employees, I wonder what it says when your own employees hate you with a vengeance worthy of nuclear destruction.

And the paragons are not acting out of self-interest if they're cooperating with a long despised enemy for the sake of greater good.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

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They should have made Miranda not work then. I don't really understand how she's qualified to lead a fire team.

Probably due to her plot armor. Remember, of all the 12 squadmates, Miranda is by far the hardest to kill off. Her plot armor stops at the final battle with the Human-Reaper, at which point she will only die if she's not loyal.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:36 .

[Krimson_Wolf]

NO TRUST!!! TIM is the reason why. no TIM no problem. also the crap form ME1 dose not help the case

[Arijharn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And yet Jack still came to work on a Cerberus ship to help save humanity from an Alien threat, thereby fulfilling all the expectations and reasonings for making her who she was in the first place.

Ironies of fate. And a success against all odds (and itself).

I think it's wrong to attribute this as a success for Cerberus though. Funnily enough; I think that Jack's need for revenge against Cerberus meant that she needed to work for them for a bit. I agree, ironic, but it wasn't a situation where Cerberus could claim credit.

Frankly, given her past, I'm amazed that the Illusive Man even forwarded her dossier in the first place. It almost makes him seem even more a calculating bastard than usual in that he could see that she'd have enough reservations about working with them again, but dangling enough carrots so that she'd come 'willingly.'

Incidentally Dean, while I agree that Cerberus needs to be 'brought to heel' how exactly do you think that would happen/work? I think it might be more relevant for Cerberus if it stopped it's drug running operations, but I don't really think that Cerberus could afford to stop it's more slippery slope research if they're serious about exploring emerging avenues for potential human superiority in military/scientific/social circles. After all, the nature of unknown threats are that they're unknown.

[Arijharn]

Jagri wrote...

Council and the Alliance has one thing that Cerberus doesn't.... Accountability.

I have to ask, just how is the Council held to account? We know nothing of how the Councillor's are 'elected' (I mean, Shephard can 'elect' his good mate to the role, so much for 'due process.')

After the Genophage was deployed (and honestly, does anyone truly buy the Salarian's line of: "We didn't think the Turian's would ever use it") the Council published the Citadel Conventions to massage their collective guilt for (implicitly?) sanctioning it, but they still allowed the STG to modify and re-deploy the virus despite the fact that the Genophage was declared illegal by the own rules according to WMD's.

I guess Cerberus can be held to account by it's financial backers. If Cerberus can't get results, then sooner or later it's generous backers wont be as generous, or even backers anymore.

[Xewaka]

Short answer: because I played Mass Effect 1.

[crazyaz]

there are those that call him...tIM



+500 points if you got the reference!

[Bogsnot1]

What is your favourite colour?

What is the average velocity of a swallow? (Either european or african)



I take the points.

[The Smoking Man]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

What is your favourite colour?

Blue! No, yel-- AAHHHHH!

[highcastle]

To the OP: Just because Cerberus rebuilt one man, that can't excuse a tremendous history of vile acts in the name of another man's vision for the greater good. Heck, TIM is so insular and purposefully vague, he may just be making up all of that stuff about doing what needs to be done for humanity's benefit. It's not just the experiments we see in ME1, it's also the side of Cerberus we see in ME2. Like Jack's background. This is a group that, no matter what their intentions, operates without a moral compass.

There's also the fact that a third of Sheps are going to be sole survivors, which means they lost their unit to Cerberus. Look how close Shep is to his squad now. You don't think he had friends, maybe lovers in his unit? You don't think working for people who destroyed them is going to affect him? Or finding that one of his friends and colleagues had been tortured for years is going to make an impression?

[CroGamer002]

Aeowyn wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Really? What exactly have they done tha was beneficial for humanity as a whole.

I'll wait.

And Shep's ressurection doesn't count.

First, why does Shepard's resurrection not count?

Well here we go:
Made advancements in controlling Geth. Advancements that are unparalleled.
Developed EDI.
Lobbied for the creation of the Normandy SR1, and they actually built the SR2 by themselves.
Took down the SB and put a (potential) ally in charge.
The defeat of the Collectors (making safe all of the human Terminus colonies).

Also improved Alliance relations with the Salarians by taking down a Pope with strong views against the Salarians and Turians for the genophage, which remains a Council-sanctioned project.

They discredited an Asari Matriarch who was also noted as a biotic supremacist, who's views and influence were certainly not good for a largely biotic-less race that was Humanity at the time.

Out of curiosity, is this all in the codex? Because I want to read this.

Cerberus LotSB dossier.

[Jagri]

Arijharn wrote...
I have to ask, just how is the Council held to account? We know nothing of how the Councillor's are 'elected' (I mean, Shephard can 'elect' his good mate to the role, so much for 'due process.')

After the Genophage was deployed (and honestly, does anyone truly buy the Salarian's line of: "We didn't think the Turian's would ever use it") the Council published the Citadel Conventions to massage their collective guilt for (implicitly?) sanctioning it, but they still allowed the STG to modify and re-deploy the virus despite the fact that the Genophage was declared illegal by the own rules according to WMD's.

I guess Cerberus can be held to account by it's financial backers. If Cerberus can't get results, then sooner or later it's generous backers wont be as generous, or even backers anymore.

Council is a represenative body of the galaxy so it answers to the people of the galaxy and thus if the actions the Council take are widely protested by the masses I am sure there is a system established in place where they can be removed from their position. TIM can keep killing his own people and innocent  cause he doesn't have to account for his actions to anyone.

So Evidently no one really cried when the Krogans got the raw end of the deal.

I believe most of TIM's funds come from businesses and business fronts he manages personally under proxy CEOs. He may have a few backers but he doesn't have to answer to them and I am sure if worst cause happens he can seperate from them and continue his fight for humanity. Well after killing all of them for knowing way too much even if its so little.

Modifié par Jagri, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:20 .

[General User]

The Citadel Council is the disease, Cerberus is just a symptom.

In Mass Effect, the entire power structure of the galaxy is based on race, with the Citadel Council being the chief architects and perpetuators of this xeno-nationalist plutocracy.

The main problem I have with Cerberus is they are playing the Council’s game and are not above using rather horrific means to win. If they were truly noble, they would be working to destroy the Council or at least restructure the galaxy so as to render the Citadel Council irrelevant (no matter who sits on it), not just to move humanity to the top of the present heap.

Modifié par General User, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:41 .

[Encarmine]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Hate?! I love TIM!

you win lol

[Arijharn]

Jagri wrote...
So Evidently no one really cried when the Krogans got the raw end of the deal.

Surely that is irrelevant considering they did break their own legislature. The fact that 'no one cared' doesn't mean it's 'ok', it means that the 'checks and balances' didn't work  or were instructed 'not too.' Your mileage may vary, but that to me doesn't particularly strike me as 'accountability' so much as 'corruption.'

Psst; Medi-Gel is technically illegal as well, and while it's incredibly beneficial, I don't think the Citadel has enacted any laws to actually give it protection from prosecution, it's more like: "We'd be stupid if we actually enforced this law."

[Xilizhra]

I have to ask, just how is the Council held to account? We know nothing of how the Councillor's are 'elected' (I mean, Shephard can 'elect' his good mate to the role, so much for 'due process.')

The asari Councilor is almost certainly elected, the turian would advance through whatever means the Hierarchy has for discerning that... I'm less sure about the salarian. Remember, though, that Shepard just gives a strong endorsement, she doesn't actually decide the appointment.

[Encarmine]

hell people if this was real, think for a second here, aliens are real and we bump into them, and we have an immediate war with them.

I would be in cerberus FAST

paragons would end up like this

i would be like this

it worries me so many hippies would want to even contemplate peace with alien species, and if we have to work with them for a short time so we dont get wiped out, fair enough, but once were strong enough, do what us humans have been doing since we could walk. KILLSTUFF and then move there and take it over.