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[Xilizhra]

Your bloodlust is duly noted. However, any aliens who've established an interstellar society will almost certainly be far more powerful than we are, and if aggressors within humanity become too strong, we may well be squashed. Which we'd deserve, in that case.

[General User]

Ah, yes, the dangers of the all-human Council. Given what happened to the rachni and the krogan, I would be surprised if the salarians weren’t already making at least contingency plans to “deal with” humanity.

Modifié par General User, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:19 .

[Arijharn]

General User wrote...

Ah, yes, the dangers of the all-human Council. Given what happened to the rachni and the krogan, I would be surprised if the salarians weren’t already making at least contingency plans to “deal with” humanity.

Perhaps ironically, I think these 'contingency' plans validate Cerberus' existence more than anything else.

[General User]

Aye that it does. Every group, be they individuals or nations, needs someone to champion its interests against competing groups. Especially when those competing groups are as greedy, brutal, and power hungry as the Citadel Council and its member races.

[Vaenier]

People hate Cerberus because Bioware beat them over the head with the Idiot Ball/Villain Ball.

[Xilizhra]

And how is that?

[Phaedon]

They are incompetent and they lack moral boundaries. Those by themselves make me hate someone.



This is also a brief list of their crimes.



But torture and murder are good things, right BSN?

[RideUrLightning]

I love Cerberus and TIM. Everyone hates them because most people are too politically correct and bounded by beauracratic governments, but I see them as an organization that truly shows the benefits of laizze-faire. I'd say with a little regulation for things such as forced experimentation and other other rights issues, they could be an important Alliance asset.

Modifié par RideUrLightning, 02 janvier 2011 - 04:25 .

[Phaedon]

RideUrLightning wrote...

I love Cerberus and TIM. Everyone hates them because most people are too politically correct and bounded by beauracratic governments

I like to call them moral principles.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

RideUrLightning wrote...

I love Cerberus and TIM. Everyone hates them because most people are too politically correct and bounded by beauracratic governments

I like to call them moral principles.

In the Twenty Second century your moral principles will become outdated and irrelevant.

[Asheer_Khan]

RideUrLightning wrote...

I love Cerberus and TIM. Everyone hates them because most people are too politically correct and bounded by beauracratic governments, but I see them as an organization that truly shows the benefits of laizze-faire. I'd say with a little regulation for things such as forced experimentation and other other rights issues, they could be an important Alliance asset.

That's the whole ****ing point of cerberus exsistence... EXPERIMENTING ON ANY SUBJECT (CHILDRENS INCLUDING) WITHOUT ANY LAW AND MORAL BOUNDARIES ... that's why they go rogue and break official ties to the Alliance... But don't worry... thier days are counted.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:00 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

RideUrLightning wrote...

I love Cerberus and TIM. Everyone hates them because most people are too politically correct and bounded by beauracratic governments

I like to call them moral principles.

In the Twenty Second century your moral principles will become outdated and irrelevant.

maybe in your renegade universe....<_<

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
In the Twenty Second century your moral principles will become outdated and irrelevant.

You know, I kinda agree. Killing, robbing, raping and torturing people are not bad things, just outdated stereotypes! 

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
In the Twenty Second century your moral principles will become outdated and irrelevant.

You know, I kinda agree. Killing, robbing, raping and torturing people are not bad things, just outdated stereotypes! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Not necessarily. But the "political correctness" that precludes a comprehensive discussion of such things these days is a temporary phenomenon.

[Fixers0]

I disapprove of Cerberus Morals,Goals,Methods,Action, some of these are even in conflict with galactic or Alliance Laws.



That's it no reason to get to complicated, just saying the facts.

[Xilizhra]

What sort of "comprehensive discussion" would you like?

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Not necessarily. But the "political correctness" that precludes a comprehensive discussion of such things these days is a temporary phenomenon.

Can you be more specific?

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

What sort of "comprehensive discussion" would you like?

It's not 22nd century yet, so it can't happen. I'll just say that I'm a little bemused every time people call Cerberus/TIM amoral.

[General User]

Whatever else they may have done, Cerberus can claim with 100% truth that; when the Collectors were attacking human colonies in the Terminus Systems, Cerberus was the group that put a stop to it.



Does that excuse their past offenses and excesses? No it doesn’t, nothing can. But it does, to my mind, at least start to atone for them.



Where Cerberus goes from here is the critical question. And as long as Cerberus remains under the exclusive control of The Illusive Man I say it’s prospects for reform, to become a true champion of humans and human liberty are bleak to say the least.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Not necessarily. But the "political correctness" that precludes a comprehensive discussion of such things these days is a temporary phenomenon.

Can you be more specific?

I can see no point in it.

[Xilizhra]

It's not a terribly damning charge. Many organizations are amoral; corporations, for instance, are legally obligated to be.



The trouble with Cerberus is that its means are frequently immoral--at least according to prevailing moral standards. If your own morals differ, then obviously not much can be done about that and you won't think that they're immoral.

[Sbri]

Are some of you people even listening to yourselves?!?!?!? The world went to war in the 1940's because certain governments were conducting just these sorts of actions. WW2 is still considered one of the few "just" wars of the past century. The WORLD reacted with horror at the atrocities committed which included torture, murder and depraved medical experiments. Are those of you who are saying that such acts are "justified" believe that we were wrong to go to war to end those regimes? Or are you saying that such acts would be ok if they benefited "your side", but should be stopped if they are used against you?

[Zulu_DFA]

Somebody, say HITLER already! Oh, yeah, I just did!

[Xilizhra]

Actually, Japan was the country more involved in unpleasant medical experiments for the sake of information; Germany, or at least its poster boy Mengele, seemed to mostly do it for the lulz.

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Somebody, say HITLER already! Oh, yeah, I just did!

Your political correctness attack was ineffective. It should also be noted that it is only effective to Cerberus fans.
Comparing TIM to a racist war criminal isn't as extreme as you think.