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[Pedonecrophile]

Umm and you want  Russian for Tevinter because they used blood magic to build a magic empire ? Oh, wait... <_<

I don't want it, but that's how things are. Italy was famous for city-states and trade centers, so we got Antivia. Russians used by almost every computer game as villains\\opressors\\killers, so we got Tevinter Imperium.

[Heretical Sound]

Pedonecrophile wrote...

Umm and you want  Russian for Tevinter because they used blood magic to build a magic empire ? Oh, wait... <_<

I don't want it, but that's how things are. Italy was famous for city-states and trade centers, so we got Antivia. Russians used by almost every computer game as villains\\\\opressors\\\\killers, so we got Tevinter Imperium.

Germans and English accents are used just as frequently to depict the villain. The latter has its own TV trope. Doesn't help us much.

[drahelvete]

The Antivan accent is supposed to be Italian? Then why do Zevran sound like Antonio Banderas?

At first I thought it was a shout out to Puss in Boots.

[legbamel]

I do believe Zev was intended to sound Spanish, not Italian.

[drahelvete]

I always assumed that Antiva was based on/inspired by Al-Andalus, much like Calimshan in the Forgotten Realms.

[Herr Uhl]

drahelvete wrote...

The Antivan accent is supposed to be Italian? Then why do Zevran sound like Antonio Banderas?
At first I thought it was a shout out to Puss in Boots.

The country is inspired by italian city-states in general and Venice in particular.

[Eleinehmm]

Pedonecrophile wrote...
I don't want it, but that's how things are. Italy was famous for city-states and trade centers, so we got Antivia. Russians used by almost every computer game as villains\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\opressors\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\killers, so we got Tevinter Imperium.

And Russia is famous for killing people? You know, I am tempted to report you.
Because (purely on “historical” ground) I can justify using the American accents here – Like they oppressed the native population (elves) and used an atomic bomb (Magic for sinking the Arlathan) during the war.

See  - It was done using your “famous for” logic

P.S No offence to People from the States – I am merely trying to show the main flaw of “famous for" reasoning.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:11 .

[Herr Uhl]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Pedonecrophile wrote...

Goddamn that's accent! Used in computer games to show similarities with some ethnic group fictional nations are based on. Nothing more. We got French, because they got one of the most powerful knights during medieval ages=> they invaded Ferelden and were feared for their powerful chevaliers. That's just accents!

Also, they're opressive sexist pigs while the Fereldans plucky nation of people doing whats "right".

Thank you Herr Uhl. Couldn't  have said it better

Well, to be fair, we've mostly gotten the Fereldan version thus far.

[Eleinehmm]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Pedonecrophile wrote...

Goddamn that's accent! Used in computer games to show similarities with some ethnic group fictional nations are based on. Nothing more. We got French, because they got one of the most powerful knights during medieval ages=> they invaded Ferelden and were feared for their powerful chevaliers. That's just accents!

Also, they're opressive sexist pigs while the Fereldans plucky nation of people doing whats "right".

Thank you Herr Uhl. Couldn't  have said it better

Well, to be fair, we've mostly gotten the Fereldan version thus far.

We hear some thing from Leliana - I am referring to “It’s ok your are an elf” conversation. Doesn’t help us, Orlisians,  even a little bit 

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:27 .

[drahelvete]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Pedonecrophile wrote...
I don't want it, but that's how things are. Italy was famous for city-states and trade centers, so we got Antivia. Russians used by almost every computer game as villains\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\opressors\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\killers, so we got Tevinter Imperium.

And Russia is famous for killing people? You know, I am tempted to report you.
Because (purely on “historical” ground) I can justify using the American accents here – Like they oppressed the native population (elves) and used an atomic bomb (Magic for sinking the Arlathan) during the war.

See  - It was done using your “famous for” logic

P.S No offence to People from the States – I am merely trying to show the main flaw of “famous for" reasoning.

He's only saying that Russians tend to be portrayed as villains in movies and video games. Which is true... or at least it used to be that way.

Edit: http://tvtropes.org/...aMakesYouStrong

Modifié par drahelvete, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:16 .

[Eleinehmm]

drahelvete wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Pedonecrophile wrote...
I don't want it, but that's how things are. Italy was famous for city-states and trade centers, so we got Antivia. 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so we got Tevinter Imperium.

And Russia is famous for killing people? You know, I am tempted to report you.
Because (purely on “historical” ground) I can justify using the American accents here – Like they oppressed the native population (elves) and used an atomic bomb (Magic for sinking the Arlathan) during the war.

See  - It was done using your “famous for” logic

P.S No offence to People from the States – I am merely trying to show the main flaw of “famous for" reasoning.

He's only saying that Russians tend to be portrayed as villains in movies and video games. Which is true... or at least it used to be that way.

Edit: http://tvtropes.org/...aMakesYouStrong

Why did he mention Italy then?  He should have said something like "It's an old and sacred tradition to discriminate people based on their accents, we do not want  to change it.  It’s fine really, cause it's a tradition , if you don't like it - STFU

edit : P.S Reminds me of No Female protagonist in marketing btw - Cause it's a tradition and all of that.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:24 .

[TheMadCat]

Herr Uhl wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

The Antivan accent is supposed to be Italian? Then why do Zevran sound like Antonio Banderas?
At first I thought it was a shout out to Puss in Boots.

The country is inspired by italian city-states in general and Venice in particular.

I don't think because an area's government and economic structures are inspired from a particular doesn't mean everything about the area is going to be replicated. No real reason why they can't be inspired by the Italian city-states and the people have a spanish accent.

[drahelvete]

TheMadCat wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

The Antivan accent is supposed to be Italian? Then why do Zevran sound like Antonio Banderas?
At first I thought it was a shout out to Puss in Boots.

The country is inspired by italian city-states in general and Venice in particular.

I don't think because an area's government and economic structures are inspired from a particular doesn't mean everything about the area is going to be replicated. No real reason why they can't be inspired by the Italian city-states and the people have a spanish accent.

No, there isn't. I just didn't know that it was inspired by Venice. I assumed, based on the accent, that it was based on one of the old Iberian kingdoms.

[Eleinehmm]

drahelvete wrote...

Eskarne wrote...

Don't speak it, it corrupts you. Like the darkspawn taint, just less subtle.

Subtle like rødgrød med fløde.
Almost indistinguishable from the Black Speech of Mordor.
 

rødgrød med fløde.
First time I heard that,  I couldn't even make out the words, let alone to pronounce them

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:33 .

[Pedonecrophile]

Eleinehmm wrote...
And Russia is famous for killing people? You know, I am tempted to report you.
Because
(purely on “historical” ground) I can justify using the American
accents here – Like they oppressed the native population (elves) and
used an atomic bomb (Magic for sinking the Arlathan) during the war.

See  - It was done using your “famous for” logic

P.S No offence to People from the States – I am merely trying to show the main flaw of “famous for" reasoning.

Learn the difference between "actual" history(which is matter of constant
debate) and something based on historical events and public image of
that events.
The latter can produce Pictish tribes assaulting palisades with help of trebuchetes(King Arthur) and Braveheart.
P.S. Also, "based on", does not mean "equal in every part".

Modifié par Pedonecrophile, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:35 .

[drahelvete]

Eleinehmm wrote...

drahelvete wrote...

Eskarne wrote...

Don't speak it, it corrupts you. Like the darkspawn taint, just less subtle.

Subtle like rødgrød med fløde.
Almost indistinguishable from the Black Speech of Mordor.
 

rødgrød med fløde.
First time I heard that,  I couldn't even make tout the words, let alone to pronounce them

No one can. No one who isn't Danish, that is. It's something of a Danish shibboleth, or so I've heard.

[Eleinehmm]

Pedonecrophile wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...
And Russia is famous for killing people? You know, I am tempted to report you.
Because (purely on “historical” ground) I can justify using the American accents here – Like they oppressed the native population (elves) and used an atomic bomb (Magic for sinking the Arlathan) during the war.

See  - It was done using your “famous for” logic

P.S No offence to People from the States – I am merely trying to show the main flaw of “famous for" reasoning.

Learn the difference between "actual" history(which is matter of constant debate) and something based on historical events and public image of that events.
The latter can produce Pictish tribes assaulting palisades with help of trebuchetes(King Arthur) and Braveheart.

So, we should reinforce those views by using the stereotypes each and every time we can? 

[Pedonecrophile]

I doubt it is possible to "overcome" that stereotypes. I don't think someone would bother with changing things because stereotypes are easily recognisable.

Which is sad.

[ankuu]

legbamel wrote...

I do believe Zev was intended to sound Spanish, not Italian.

I've recently read an article with his VA. He was supposed to sound latin, Spanish preferably, but his VA only learned French in school.

http://www.gamespot....=m-100-25775317

[Eleinehmm]

Pedonecrophile wrote...

I doubt it is possible to "overcome" that stereotypes. I don't think someone would bother with changing things because stereotypes are easily recognisable.
Which is sad.

If people thought like that we would still have Slavery in the States and general woman-get-back-to-the-kitchen attitude.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 02 janvier 2011 - 11:44 .

[Pedonecrophile]

...and if they didn't then people still be sending Perpetum Mobille models to French Academy.

Every comparison is true only to a certain degree, after which it's turning to utter absurd.

[Eleinehmm]

Pedonecrophile wrote...

...and if they didn't then people still be sending Perpetum Mobille models to French Academy.
Every comparison is true only to a certain degree, after which it's turning to utter absurd.

They still do, actually

[drahelvete]

Since the Dalish (whose language seems to have greatly influenced Arcanum, the language of the Tevinter Empire) speak with Welsh accents, I wouldn't be surprised if the Tevinter just spoke with a West Country dialect.

Based on what I've read about Arcanum on Dragon Age Wiki, it seems to be a mostly Germanic-inspired language with a few Romance-inspired words thrown in.

Modifié par drahelvete, 03 janvier 2011 - 02:18 .

[Cwilso]

Aristorum wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I dont recall the Tevinter mages and slavers in the alienage with the plague having any specific accents

The Dalish had no accent either in Origins, but, if memory serves, they're getting Welsh accents in DA2.

They had American accents, right?

[Pitrus]

I say let the darkspawn learn Danish. It would be an interesting twist if they learned to speak only to realize they could just as well have stuck with grunts and growls.