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[marshalleck]

Kronner wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'm not that thrilled with Drew K's latest work either. From reading dev journals, I think Mass Effect was in the most capable hands with Chris L'etoile who quit Bioware before ME2 launched, and imo it kind of shows. In ME he wrote Ashley Williams, all the codex entries, all the planet descriptions, the Citadel mission "I Remember Me" and "Old, Unhappy, Far Off Things" and a few others, in ME2 he wrote most of Legion and EDI which unsurprisingly were some of the best characters in the sequel. 

Agreed, as far as I know he also did the whole Noveria mission, which is the best ME1 has to offer IMHO and Thane.
He has really interesting articles here.

Yes, those are the dev journals I was referring to. It not only gives insight into the background of Mass Effect, he also describes the characteristics he finds compelling about science fiction; to paraphrase what he says, it's not about lasers and shiny gadgets, it's about what people do when they can murder someone and not leave a body. I understand that some find that perspective overly cynical, but I think it adds a tenor of gritty realism throughout the entire first game that really sets it apart from Mass Effect 2, which focused much more on flashy gizmos and explosions to the expense of some of the headier themes of the first game. 

And you know, maybe I am being unfair to Mac Walters. Maybe he's just as capable, but I've seen no evidence in any of his work that suggests he approaches the material in a similar way. He's much more of a comic book Star Wars geek as far as I can tell, which is fine in its own right, I am a geek too. But it's just not the flavor I prefer. I'd take 2001: A Space Odyssey over Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope any day of the week. And ultimately I think I prefer the overall feel of Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2, as well. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 janvier 2011 - 12:24 .

[Jakeul200493]

It's because he's secretly the Shadow Broker, and that yahg and Liara were just decoys. He's spying on us all!!!!!!



Call me paranoid

[DOGGEH84]

I try avoid the threads where people talk about what they want in missions want for a final mission.



I would rather find out when I get there. I wouldn't like to think oh this might happen.



Leave the story to them. But let us help fix the gameplay issues.

[PsychoWARD23]

Babli wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Hah, nice... I'd like to know what the devs think about the constant ridicule of the ME2 plot.

I guess we'll know what they think if Mac Walters is retained for ME3. That guy needs to stick to writing comic books and pulpy Star Wars fanfic.

True. Drew Karpyshyn started ME, he should be the one who finishes it. Its like if George Lucas wrote first Star Wars and the rest was written by some random comics guy.

Also, if Bioware is listening their fans, then they really should take a look at this.

The only SW film George Lucas didn't direct was Empire Strikes Back, and look how that turned out.

[Loup Blanc]

I would assume either:

- Casey doesn't give a **** about the community.

- Casey is too busy and hard at work on ME3, so he doesn't have time to do that.

- Both.

[Mister Mida]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

Babli wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Hah, nice... I'd like to know what the devs think about the constant ridicule of the ME2 plot.

I guess we'll know what they think if Mac Walters is retained for ME3. That guy needs to stick to writing comic books and pulpy Star Wars fanfic.

True. Drew Karpyshyn started ME, he should be the one who finishes it. Its like if George Lucas wrote first Star Wars and the rest was written by some random comics guy.

Also, if Bioware is listening their fans, then they really should take a look at this.

The only SW film George Lucas didn't direct was Empire Strikes Back, and look how that turned out.

You forget Return of the Jedi.

[Babli]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

Babli wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Hah, nice... I'd like to know what the devs think about the constant ridicule of the ME2 plot.

I guess we'll know what they think if Mac Walters is retained for ME3. That guy needs to stick to writing comic books and pulpy Star Wars fanfic.

True. Drew Karpyshyn started ME, he should be the one who finishes it. Its like if George Lucas wrote first Star Wars and the rest was written by some random comics guy.

Also, if Bioware is listening their fans, then they really should take a look at this.

The only SW film George Lucas didn't direct was Empire Strikes Back, and look how that turned out.

I said "wrote" not "direct"

[cachx]

Well, Casey lives on a parallel universe where people loves planet scanning to bits. Reading the forums will just give him chronic depression.

[Cyberfrog81]

Casey Hudson could make tomatoes sound appealing. And I friggin' hate tomatoes.



That's a compliment by the way. Sort of.

[Burdokva]

After reading through Chris Létoille's blog, I'm really concerned about how Mass Effect 3 will play out. Not as a game, but as far as story maturity and themes are concerned. I was already wondering what happened to some of the deeper concepts that were omitted in the sequel - what happened to Terra Firma? Why the revival of a "dead as dead can be" man didn't raise any philosophical questions among the characters? Or the nature of the Reapers after the end game?



Not that it's a flat universe by any means, but... eh, some of the themes just aren't there anymore.



I hope Casey Hudson listens to this - BioWare has made mature games before and they've been hits. Please don't turn ME3 into a glorious summer blockbuster. Add depth to it, like a true sci-fi classic.

[syllogi]

Personally, I have TONS of doubts about DA2, since I enjoy traditional western RPGs, and felt that DA:O was great...but I'm willing to preorder, and give the new game a chance, because I believe that Mike Laidlaw really cares about making a good game, as David Gaider cares about giving us a good story. I don't know if I would have done so based on previews from video game "journalists" alone -- actually, no, I really wouldn't have, and I'd be much more skeptical of DA2 than I already am. But the devs who post in that forum have reassured me that even if it's not what *I* envisioned for DA2, it will still be a fun Bioware RPG.



I'm not saying that I won't preorder ME3 because Casey Hudson and Mac Walters don't post on these forums, but I do think that once information starts coming out on the game, having devs post, even once in a great while, *would* be beneficial, for anyone who is on the fence about ME3. Remember how people got excited about every new article and interview that appeared before ME2 came out? People would be even more excited to hear from Mac or Casey, even once, speaking directly to fans, when it's not a Best Buy chat or some other heavily moderated arena.



I understand that the devs are busy, but it does mean a lot to us fans to hear from them.

[Uszi]

Why would anyone voluntarily read through the poison here on the forums?



I got the impression that the mods do it because that's how they get the big bucks. Hazard pay, you know?

[Uszi]

Well on the note of fewer themes, I think that the theme of war and genocide and peace between the Quarians and the Geth was pretty deep. The decision to destroy or reprogram the Heretics was pretty deep. I mean, maybe that sort of depth wasn't as present throughout the whole game -- or maybe it was, I didn't really pay attention -- but all of the Geth plot lines made the characters ask questions... and then I asked questions of myself.



How much deeper can it get?

[flem1]

Burdokva wrote...

Why the revival of a "dead as dead can be" man didn't raise any philosophical questions among the characters?

Because that would be the Obsidian version.  Bio doesn't do introspection.

Compare KOTOR, where the twist certainly could have used some soul-searching that wasn't there, and KOTOR2 -- which has so much introspection that the plot disintegrates.

Speaking of KOTOR, it's hard to knock Drew K's "latest" work since we'll only see that with the release of TOR...  He did the Jedi Knight.

[Fiery Phoenix]

He lurks.

[marshalleck]

Well I was talking about his latest work in the Mass Effect milieu, which was Retribution. It seemed sloppy, like it was something he did in his free time only to meet contractual obligations. For one thing, it seemed like he definitely played fast and loose with Shepard's identity--I could be wrong, but didn't he actually refer to Shepard as male? That's a small detail, but in the previous book he went to great lengths to not establish any sort of official characteristics or decisions made by Shepard in the events of the first game. It also seems like Cerberus has access to the Collector base, and Udina is on the Council...these sorts of things he avoided in the past. But it has been a while since I read it, I could have some details wrong. Even then, the dialogue seems more blunt and the the settings just aren't as descriptive, etc.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Lol he actually reads through these forums? I understand why he would do it, but I feel sorry for him considering how much complaining/criticizing is done here (usually about incredibly nit-picky/irrelevant things, at that)

[Crimmsonwind]

C-Hud's too busy looking up the definition of "mono-gendered." >



No, he will never live that down.

[LiquidGrape]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

C-Hud's too busy looking up the definition of "mono-gendered." >

And no, he'll never live that down. Bless him.
But to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't expect it of any developer to hang around here. If I was one of the creative staff, I'd refrain from even acknowledging this place even existed most of the time.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 02 janvier 2011 - 07:47 .

[sinosleep]

marshalleck wrote..

Yes, those are the dev journals I was referring to. It not only gives insight into the background of Mass Effect, he also describes the characteristics he finds compelling about science fiction; to paraphrase what he says, it's not about lasers and shiny gadgets, it's about what people do when they can murder someone and not leave a body. I understand that some find that perspective overly cynical, but I think it adds a tenor of gritty realism throughout the entire first game that really sets it apart from Mass Effect 2, which focused much more on flashy gizmos and explosions to the expense of some of the headier themes of the first game. 

And you know, maybe I am being unfair to Mac Walters. Maybe he's just as capable, but I've seen no evidence in any of his work that suggests he approaches the material in a similar way. He's much more of a comic book Star Wars geek as far as I can tell, which is fine in its own right, I am a geek too. But it's just not the flavor I prefer. I'd take 2001: A Space Odyssey over Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope any day of the week. And ultimately I think I prefer the overall feel of Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2, as well. 

See, here's another one of those areas where I feel ME 1 gets far more credit than it deserves. Is that a cool theme that one of the people that worked on the game elaborated on? Yes. Is that a cool theme that the game itself elaborates on? Not from what I can remember.

Modifié par sinosleep, 02 janvier 2011 - 07:52 .

[KatieLovesBioware]

I think it is because all us ladeez would cyber rape him!

Nah it is probably because he is a very busy man.