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[D.Kain]

YoziMaiden wrote...

That's not what I'm saying. Ignoring the main plot in a video game seems odd, why are you playing said game if you do not want to get involved in said plot in the first place. What you are asking for is a completely different game to be written into the game because a few people want to ignore the storyline. A storyline you knew you were getting into when you purchased said game. The time and cash involved alone suggests that at this time this isn't really a possibility.

And that is right. You can always play Overlord for example.

[Schneidend]

Origins' main plot spans a couple months at the most.

[Mecha Tengu]

Schneidend wrote...

Origins' main plot spans a couple months at the most.

like a year actually

[marshalleck]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Origins' main plot spans a couple months at the most.

like a year actually

More than a year. 

[Schneidend]

I personally haven't seen anything that suggests to me that the game is that long, unless we're counting all the times a player treks across the entire countryside from the Frostback Mountains to Denerim finishing side quests.

Modifié par Schneidend, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:31 .

[iEthanol]

AlanC9 wrote...
Sure, if they changed the universe from the one that they actually created, then they could make things work the way you want them to. I thought you were attacking the coherence of the actual DA universe rather than taking about a hypothetical alternate DA that exists only in your own mind. My bad.

I don't get if you're purposely pretending to be ignorant, if you are doing it on accident, or if you're just trolling. I can't state this enough, THE STORY CAN EASILY BE SHIFTED IN ANY DIRECTION.

Think Origins. The Dark Spawn are said to to an evil force that cannot be reasoned with. They are made out to be pure evil with no logic that cannot be stopped in any other way than armed force. Come Awakening, suddenly we get the character Architect who explains that "Oh, no, they're not really evil actually. Help me out and I'll just have them all go away." See that? See how easy it is to manipulate the narrative? The only limit is the writer's imagination.

Please get that through your head.

Schneidend wrote...

I personally haven't seen anything
that suggests to me that the game is that long, unless we're counting
all the times a player treks across the entire countryside from the
Frostback Mountains to Denerim finishing side quests.

Kinda answered your own doubt there, didn't ya?

Modifié par iEthanol, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:34 .

[Schneidend]

Side quests.

Main plot.

Yep, those sound like different things to me.

[HolyJellyfish]

I love saving the world. The world needs to be saved.



I mean, its a lot better than a game built around saving a couch... or someone's cute pet puppy.

[iEthanol]

Schneidend wrote...

Side quests.
Main plot.
Yep, those sound like different things to me.

I was talking about the traveling, bro. You do realise that they are basically travelling on foot over an entire Kingdom, right?

Not to mention the time lapses within the actual narrative (The Warden & Allister getting their ass handed to them only to be saved by what's her face).

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I love saving the world. The world needs to be saved.

I mean, its a lot better than a game built around saving a couch... or someone's cute pet puppy.

/facepalm

Modifié par iEthanol, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:48 .

[Negix]

@iEthanol: youre kinda talking around the point here: just because something is possible it doesn't mean its worth it from a financial point of view. video games are business, so you dont do things that arent worth it from a financial point of view. And: if somebody who has the account since about three days, has no games registered and who proves to be completely immunte to reason should call OTHERS trolls is questionable...

[Morroian]

Schneidend wrote...

I personally haven't seen anything that suggests to me that the game is that long, unless we're counting all the times a player treks across the entire countryside from the Frostback Mountains to Denerim finishing side quests.

IIRC there's some dialogue near the end about how long since Ostagar and the devs have confirmed in the past on the forum that it was over a year.

[Schneidend]

iEthanol wrote...

I was talking about the traveling, bro. You do realise that they are basically travelling on foot over an entire Kingdom, right?

Gee, were they? I assumed that map represented a 1/1 scale.

[iEthanol]

Negix wrote...

@iEthanol: youre kinda talking around the point here: just because something is possible it doesn't mean its worth it from a financial point of view. video games are business, so you dont do things that arent worth it from a financial point of view.

Where you absent during the entire discussion we've had so far? Plenty of reasons were given, maybe you should give this thread another go instead of replying to my most recent comments. It might make you a little more credible.

Negix wrote...
And: if somebody who has the account since about three days, has no games registered and who proves to be completely immunte to reason should call OTHERS trolls is questionable...

My brother already registered the key and I sure as hell am not buying another copy just to have a little icon under my username. In two months I can just get a DA2 one.

Also are you really going to say that a little icon under a username is more credible than logic in a post? No comment.

Schneidend wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

I was
talking about the traveling, bro. You do realise that they are basically
travelling on foot over an entire Kingdom, right?

Gee, were they? I assumed that map represented a 1/1 scale.

It's okay bro, we all make stupid mistakes. :happy:

Modifié par iEthanol, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:59 .

[Schneidend]

Like thinking some French Grey Warden was more qualified than your player-character?

[Negix]

"Where you absent during the entire discussion we've had so far? Plenty
of reasons where given, maybe you should give this thread another go
instead of replying to my most recent comments. It might make you a
little more credible."

we already had the discussion about video games being business and so on and you kinda avoided my point so im repeating it. over and over again

"My brother already registered the key and I sure as hell am not
buying another copy just to have a little icon under my username. In two
months I can just get a DA2 one.

Also you're really going to say that a little icon under a username is more credible than logic in a post? No comment."

point taken . i was just saying that it isn't your place to call anybody a troll. the "no icon" thing is sometimes considered a sign of trolls in this forums, especially when your acc isn't really old. i didn't intend to call you a troll, if i did i apologize^^

[AlexXIV]

Schneidend wrote...

Like thinking some French Grey Warden was more qualified than your player-character?

Orlesian. We all know french couldn't put up a good fight if their life depended on it.

[Negix]

AlexXIV wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Like thinking some French Grey Warden was more qualified than your player-character?

Orlesian. We all know french couldn't put up a good fight if their life depended on it.

they still kicked germans ass during WWI.....

[iEthanol]

Negix wrote...

"Where you absent during the entire discussion we've had so far? Plenty
of reasons where given, maybe you should give this thread another go
instead of replying to my most recent comments. It might make you a
little more credible."

we already had the discussion about video games being business and so on and you kinda avoided my point so im repeating it. over and over again

I haven't avoided anything. I'll look through but I'm pretty sure I already replied to you.

The notion that a video game is a business is obvious though. Hell, any media is a business (whether it be books, songs, television, movies, or anything else). They still require writers though--- and those said writers are the Gods of the given diegesis.

"My brother already registered the key and I sure as hell am not
buying another copy just to have a little icon under my username. In two
months I can just get a DA2 one.

Also you're really going to say that a little icon under a username is more credible than logic in a post? No comment."

point taken . i was just saying that it isn't your place to call anybody a troll. the "no icon" thing is sometimes considered a sign of trolls in this forums, especially when your acc isn't really old. i didn't intend to call you a troll, if i did i apologize^^

Well I see your point and now I'm actually kinda pissed I didn't get the game during the steam sale. Hmm... maybe if I look around I can find my Mass Effect or Jade Empire case. That is assuming the idiot didn't take those too.

Schneidend wrote...

Orlesian. We all know french couldn't put up a good fight if their life depended on it.
they still kicked germans ass during WWI.....

You must have not heard of a little someone (no pun intended) called Napoleon Bonaparte.

Modifié par iEthanol, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:14 .

[AlexXIV]

I said 'good fight'.

[Schneidend]

iEthanol wrote...

You must have not heard of a little someone (no pun intended) called Napoleon Bonaparte.

You mean that guy who thought it would be a great idea to invade Russia in winter and proceeded to be exiled to an island where he died suffering miserably?

Oh, yeah, he is a badass.

[Negix]

"The notion that a video game is a business is obvious though. Hell,
any media is a business (whether it be books, songs, television, movies,
or anything else). They still require writers though--- and those said
writers are the Gods of the given diegesis."

agreed. however, those writers arent the ones who decide what game will be made. not entirely at least. every feature is something that has to be checked if it works and if it sells copies. now take the not save the world storyapproach for example: the whole game gets more complicated since you suddenly have more places to go to since you can also go where it doesn't help the issue. this makes developing more expensive.
anyhow, it doesn't matter wether something unique becomes more expensive or not, mainstream fantasy is just not risky. save the world, kill that and that blah blah is something that sells. experiments can totally fail (look at planescape torment for example... one of the best storylines ever but completely overlooked) and thus cost a lot of money. not many companies want to risk that..

[iEthanol]

And I said "You must have not heard of a little someone (no pun intended) called Napoleon Bonaparte".

[Negix]

@iEthanol

"I haven't avoided anything. I'll look through but I'm pretty sure I already replied to you."

you propably werent avoiding, i was saying something along the lines of "video games are business so the writers arent entirely free" and you were saying something like "theyre still close to it" while I tried to say they are not because they are told by others (business in common, managers) what they kinda have to write.

please excuse my bad use of the english language, its not my native language.

[iEthanol]

Negix wrote...

"The notion that a video game is a business is obvious though. Hell,
any media is a business (whether it be books, songs, television, movies,
or anything else). They still require writers though--- and those said
writers are the Gods of the given diegesis."

agreed. however, those writers arent the ones who decide what game will be made. not entirely at least. every feature is something that has to be checked if it works and if it sells copies. now take the not save the world storyapproach for example: the whole game gets more complicated since you suddenly have more places to go to since you can also go where it doesn't help the issue. this makes developing more expensive.
anyhow, it doesn't matter wether something unique becomes more expensive or not, mainstream fantasy is just not risky. save the world, kill that and that blah blah is something that sells. experiments can totally fail (look at planescape torment for example... one of the best storylines ever but completely overlooked) and thus cost a lot of money. not many companies want to risk that..

Of course it's a collaborative process, but in the end it is something that is still given to the writers to do. They sit in a room and figure out what will happen from the beginning to end. Think Jordan Mechner. He wrote The Sands of Time, it went on to be a hit, it spawned sequels, and in the end he was even hired to write the screenplay for the movie.

I'm not asking for Bioware to completely reframe their work flow. I'm simply requesting that their be variety in the games. You make it sound as if I'm requesting an entire rework of the genre. Hell, one of the best selling RPGs of all time is the Fable series and their whole marketing campaign is about the fact that you can play as either good or bad. Clearly the sales of that game have proven than allowing a darker path is hardly a sub genre that may be risky. The Fallout series also allows you to go down different paths.

please excuse my bad use of the english language, its not my native language.

That's cool. It's not my native language either.

Schneidend wrote...

You
mean that guy who thought it would be a great idea to invade Russia in
winter and proceeded to be exiled to an island where he died suffering
miserably?

Oh, yeah, he is a badass.

Yeah, because that is totally the only thing he ever did.  It's not like he conquered most of Europe and it's also not like he's the first man to sit in the Czar's throne despite being a foreign Emperor. Every General has wins and losses, that's how it works. Few, however, are remembered in the history as being brilliant tacticians. Napoleon just happens to be one of those few.

Anyway I'm going to stop feeding the trolls.

Modifié par iEthanol, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[blothulfur]

There was a point near the end of the original campaign of neverwinter nights (the only bioware game i've ever disliked) where somebody told my character that only he could stop the old lizard lass and I just stopped playing sat back and said why.

My character didn't posess special powers or artifacts and was just a normal joe who had got lucky at the academy and since that time had been stumbling around blind and ignorant, thats what I don't want from a save the world plot and since then bioware has never put me in that position so I guess i'm going to go out tomorrow order my siggy edition and wait for the sweet role playing goodness of mike hawkes phallic fantasy to arrive.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and so far the good doctors and team have provided us with some tasty vittels.