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[Magnus_The_Red]

When people talk about Shepard, nobody ever uses gender neutral terms. They always use words like "Him", "His", "He", etc.
I can only assume this is because MaleShep is more poular, which is not suprising considering FemShep gets no publicity.
But this sort of thing does not happen with the Warden. When people talk about the Warden they often say; "My Warden" or "The Warden".
My theory as to why is because unlike Shepard and Hawke the Warden can not only be a different gender they can only be a different person entirely. The problem with making only a human from one origin the only possible protagonist of DAII, Hawke has been reduced to two people; a man or a woman. And since MaleHawke is going to be getting all the publicity, I can only assume FemHawke will be tossed aside as an afterthought like FemShep.

So is the female Hawke going to get the same treatment as the female Shepard?

[Gibb_Shepard]

I don't get your point, you're afraid people will say "he" instead of "she" when talking about Hawke? Because that is ridiculous, who cares what others refer to as Hawke.

[SocialButterfly]

I think it will be like that, yes. After all there are more male players and they play mostly males..
But I think its a pity than FemHawke looks really beautiful..and better than the male I think

[soteria]

I thought the convention was for males to refer to Hawke as a "he" and females to refer to Hawke as a "she," with possible exceptions for males who play females and vice versa.

[Matchy Pointy]

I don't use him about Shepard, so I don't think saying all says he about Shepard is truth.

Modifié par Matchy Pointy, 02 janvier 2011 - 12:39 .

[otherarrow]

What? They said "she" when speaking about femshep... did I miss something?

Or are you talking about the forums/game sites? Well, people usually refer to unidentified genders as "he". Like with dogs. Would you prefer it if they called shep "it"?

[highcastle]

I've heard plenty of people call Shep "she." Heck, the official strategy guide did it plenty of times. I think you tend to refer to Shep by the gender you usually play as, or the gender you consider your personal canon. And it's easier than saying s/he all the time.

[Irkalla]

I don't really see the problem, let people refer to their character with whatever gender they most feel connected to. I refer to all my characters with the female gender. What does bother me is the official marketing of males...Heck, Fem Hawke's screenshot is not even on the main site. Had it not been for the press, I wouldn't even know about the female character option in bioware games.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Im afriad she will, because Bioware will probably never ever make any female trailer either is: Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect 3. If they would, im 100% sure people would play with female alot more.

[JediMB]

Well, hey, at least FemHawke has a decent default face morph.



Can't really say the same about FemShep, when comparing it to MaleShep's.

[Magnus_The_Red]

Some of you are missing the point of what I was saying.

I meen is that I don't want the female Hawke to be a "lesser" protagonist than the male Hawke.

If you are talking about Shepard or Hawke in the particular save file you are playing, then by all means use whatever gender term you are playing as.

But what i'm talking about is when people are talking about Shepard or Hawke as an entity,

Modifié par Magnus_The_Red, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:02 .

[Dhiro]

Regardless of how people will call Lady Hawke, she's ridiculously popular here, so it doesn't bother me at all.

[Maria Caliban]

soteria wrote...

I thought the convention was for males to refer to Hawke as a "he" and females to refer to Hawke as a "she," with possible exceptions for males who play females and vice versa.

This is what I do. I also do the same when I talk about Commander Shepard.

Sometimes I use 'they.' When I feel generous.

[Dhiro]

Maria Caliban wrote...

soteria wrote...

I thought the convention was for males to refer to Hawke as a "he" and females to refer to Hawke as a "she," with possible exceptions for males who play females and vice versa.

This is what I do. I also do the same when I talk about Commander Shepard.

Sometimes I use 'they.' When I feel generous.

I'd think you would use 'it'. Don't ask me why.

[Gill Kaiser]

That's not really so much due to the character. Since English has no gender-neutral pronoun for referring to people, the default tends towards "he" because, historically, men were the ones writing everything, and now it's just convention.

[Kail Ashton]

How does this effect anything really? in the grand scheme of things it's a noun, that's it



Whatever noun people use it will effect virtualy nothing, not the game, the gameplay, plot, charecter, bioware as a whole, sales, everything that matters for a video game as a whole, nothing.

[Fault Girl]

I still think they need to re-think or make it more obvious when playing their games that you can alter gender, I was a late comer to Mass Effect and RPG's in general ( I didnt go onto forums or anything, rarely read reviews/magazines) and the only reason was due to me not wanting to play a male character, but once i read about being able to change genders I was all over it.

Some may say it's stupidity but if it's not clear or said on the packaging not a lot of people will not know, doesn't help with most always refering to Hawk/Shephard as "he" all the time, but sadly in the gaming market female players are probably 2:1 to males.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:11 .

[Matchy Pointy]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I still think they need to re-think or make it more obvious when playing their games that you can alter gender, I was a late comer to Mass Effect and RPG's in general ( I didnt go onto forums or anything, rarely read reviews/magazines) and the only reason was due to me not wanting to play a male character, but once i read about being able to change genders I was all over it.

Some may say it's stupidity but if it's not clear or said on the packaging not a lot of people will not know, doesn't help with most always refering to Hawk/Shephard as "he" all the time, but sadly in the gaming market female players are probably 2:1 to males.

I'm with you on this, not everyone as as into it as most of the peopel on these forums, and it should be obvious you can play as either gender or whatever.

[Maria Caliban]

Dhiro wrote...

I'd think you would use 'it'. Don't ask me why.

I never refer to people as 'it.' Save for babies.

[Wynne]

Magnus_The_Red wrote...

And since MaleHawke is going to be getting all the publicity, I can only assume FemHawke will be tossed aside as an afterthought like FemShep.

So is the female Hawke going to get the same treatment as the female Shepard?

Thing is, in DAO, they actually put forth videos with a female in the gameplay from early on. ME... not so much. ME2... well, a very tiny bit of info was released, pretty late, and got mostly lost in the shuffle.

Shooters kinda have to be more "macho" in the eyes of most people--I think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, personally. People assume only guys want to play shooters, so it became tradition to market to guys and women who might otherwise try a game think, "Oh, that stuff is for guys" rather than being drawn in by the story and giving the gameplay a chance. 

For me, I think that's essentially how it began. I tried Wolfenstein 3D and it gave me a headache, but then I later tried Thief: the Dark Project and from there it wasn't so big a step to try something like System Shock 2. Neither of those games were terribly "heterosexual macho man" in their delivery, and it changed my way of thinking about shooters--I stopped thinking of them as being a guy thing and just thought of them as games.

DA2's LadyHawke could suffer the same fate as FemShep. I'm a little nervous there. But DA as a series has the advantage that the first game already marketed to females a little bit from fairly early on, and the series is widely known as having both genders of protagonist, not to mention that it leans more towards being a classic RPG than a shooter.

Also, LadyHawke? Is WAY hotter than DefaultFemShep, who kinda looks like she took a frying pan labeled "generic" to the face and forgot how to properly use the obviously-fake red hair dye. So despite not having Jennifer Hale, she's got a better setup than FemShep, especially since Garrett Hawke and Marian Hawke are equally good-looking and Hawke is less obviously defined in personality than Sheploo.

Modifié par Wynne, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:26 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Hey, me too! To me, children aren't people until they can hold a proper conversation, with information retention and comprehension of novel concepts.

[Koffeegirl]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I still think they need to re-think or make it more obvious when playing their games that you can alter gender, I was a late comer to Mass Effect and RPG's in general ( I didnt go onto forums or anything, rarely read reviews/magazines) and the only reason was due to me not wanting to play a male character, but once i read about being able to change genders I was all over it.

Some may say it's stupidity but if it's not clear or said on the packaging not a lot of people will not know, doesn't help with most always refering to Hawk/Shephard as "he" all the time, but sadly in the gaming market female players are probably 2:1 to males.

I was also a late comer to Mass Effect. My bf had played it and loved it, but told me you could only play a male character. It wasn't until I got DA and came to the bioware forums that I realized you could play as a female Shepard. As a result, I got ME and then got ME2 and beat the second game before he even played it:devil:

[Gill Kaiser]

Koffeegirl wrote...
My bf had played it and loved it, but told me you could only play a male character.

Why would he tell you something so patently untrue?

[Wynne]

Because he didn't realize you could play as a female? Or because he wanted it all to himself. Either way, she had her revenge.

[UKZenosis]

it may have been linked already, but where can I see a picture of FemHawke?