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[Koffeegirl]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...
My bf had played it and loved it, but told me you could only play a male character.

Why would he tell you something so patently untrue?

I think because it had been a while since he played ME1, and I guess he didn't remember that you could be femshep. He kept encouraging me to play it, but I  wanted to be  female char. I guess it shows the selection to be male or fem didn't leave a lasting impression on him.

[Koffeegirl]

Wynne wrote...

Because he didn't realize you could play as a female? Or because he wanted it all to himself. Either way, she had her revenge.

Yeah, I did:wizard:

[SirOccam]

Is it really "suffering" a "fate" not to be referred to by a particular pronoun? It's either going to be one or the other or the awkward "he or she" all the time.

UKZenosis wrote...

it may have been linked already, but where can I see a picture of FemHawke?

[DaringMoosejaw]

Her jaw is too...huge, and...round...

Maybe it's the camera angle.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 02 janvier 2011 - 01:38 .

[Dhiro]

It's the angle. We have other shots of her, but I'm too lazy to get any of them.

[Victia]

I always just refute to them as shep or hawke, my Canon is female but will play as males as well. My husband is the same as preference is female hero. The only exception being (generally in games) mass effect- as let's face it femshep is ugly pretty much no matter what you do and she acts very masculine, its just not of fun as playing a feminine female!

Maybe its the buffy fan coming out in me- that a female protagonist should be femanine and kick-ass but there is something not right about femshep. Femhawke of the other hand looks adorable, just hope her dialogues are different enought from males that she sounds like a different sex/person and not a man in a woman's body!

[Eleinehmm]

Victia wrote...

I always just refute to them as shep or hawke, my Canon is female but will play as males as well. My husband is the same as preference is female hero. The only exception being (generally in games) mass effect- as let's face it femshep is ugly pretty much no matter what you do and she acts very masculine, its just not of fun as playing a feminine female!
Maybe its the buffy fan coming out in me- that a female protagonist should be femanine and kick-ass but there is something not right about femshep. Femhawke of the other hand looks adorable, just hope her dialogues are different enought from males that she sounds like a different sex/person and not a man in a woman's body!

Well that's your opinion - I would like to vote for non “femine” female option and definitely would not like forced girly-girly options for females.
Bioware has been pretty good with handling genders so far and I hope it stays the same.

[Leonia]

We've already been calling girl Hawke LadyHawke or FemHawke and boy Hawke as MaleHawke (or just Hawke). I don't see the problem?

[maselphie]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Her jaw is too...huge, and...round...

Y'all need to shut up about chins and jaws. Every woman put forth has been called ugly because of their chin and/or jaw. Frankly, I don't even see it. People can have non-Hollywood facial structure and still be beautiful. If all the girls get chin-o-plasty, then I demand all the men get bishi-fied.


In regards to Lady Hawke's fate ... the answer is, unfortunately, yes. Well. Unless we refuse to let her become obscure. Only thing we can do is acknowledge that two genders exist ourselves, because marketing has already made up their minds.

I agree that I avoided Mass Effect in the beginning because all I saw was Space Marine Jim. DAO could seem like another Ultima (and I daresay the word "Witcher") on the shelves if male Hawke is posing on the cover. And that screams lack of creativity and a boring RPG game in general. Bioware is known for it's flexibility and customization, and you'd think they'd advertise that every chance they got.

Modifié par maselphie, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:11 .

[Victia]

I don't mean girly girl, what I would like to see is a 'sexy-Lara croft-raw' female who is femanine and confident but not masculine.

[Victia]

EDIT esq not raw sorry! Damn predictive text

[andar91]

Victia wrote...

I don't mean girly girl, what I would like to see is a 'sexy-Lara croft-raw' female who is femanine and confident but not masculine.

I think Isabela comes under that heading.

I think it's just a marketing thing.  They use one image of Hawke (the male, default Hawke) in the marketing so people don't get confused.  Most if not all of the press coverage has mentioned that you can choose Hawke's gender, but since the demographic is mainly male, of course they show the male version more.  Based on what other people have said about ME2, femShep was shown extremely late and the opposite is true of DA2.  We saw the female Hawke a long time ago.  

I tend to think "He" as well when I think of Hawke at this point, but I tend to play as females and I think that'll probably change once I actually play the game.

One thing about the Lara Croft reference:  I think sexy females (and males for that matter) are great to have in video games or any form of media, but I don't like it when the sexiness is gratuitous.  Don't get me wrong, I love Tomb Raider and Lara, but I always rolled my eyes a bit at her ridiculous preportions.  I don't think you need to be like that to be sexy, and even the TR developers have discovered this, as she's MUCH more realistic in the new redesign.  I also think BIoware is fairly good about this.  They've explicitly stated, for example, that sexy is okay but they aren't doing any chainmail bikinis.  That aside, it's true that Isabela doesn't have pants.

Modifié par andar91, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:12 .

[Sutamina]

When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it would be about situations where female Hawke would be sitting down spreading her legs while wearing a dress; since that occured in Mass Effect 2 with Jane Shepard. Well hopefuly that will not occur in Dragon Age 2.

[maselphie]

Victia wrote...

Femhawke of the other hand looks adorable, just hope her dialogues are different enought from males that she sounds like a different sex/person and not a man in a woman's body!

I like my women heroes strong and I would despise a feminine hero alternative because it would seem, to me, to be sexualizing her when really she should be as equal to her alter-ego as possible. I applaud Bioware for resisting the urge to make FemHawke a Laura Croft/Bayonetta because they're not for women, they're for men.

That said, I agree that FemShep had a huge "man in woman's body" coming from her. And while that's not a bad thing if it were really the case, but it was more about the developers not wanting to do much of anything new for the gender. I'd say "laziness", but it was more about money and not realizing they had a substantial female demographic. So animations in cutscenes were bugged because no one checked to see what it looked like with a female sprite? That's offensive.

Victia wrote...

I don't mean girly girl, what I would like to see is a 'sexy-Lara croft-raw' female who is femanine and confident but not masculine.

I don't want to speak for all women, but Lara Croft does not help your case in the least.

Modifié par maselphie, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:12 .

[Maria Caliban]

Sutamina wrote...

When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it would be about situations where female Hawke would be sitting down spreading her legs while wearing a dress; since that occured in Mass Effect 2 with Jane Shepard. Well hopefuly that will not occur in Dragon Age 2.

When does Jane wear a dress in ME 2?

[Gill Kaiser]

If you have the Kasumi DLC, she gets a LBD that she can wear as your casual attire.

[Minxie]

Ray_x3 wrote...

I think it will be like that, yes. After all there are more male players and they play mostly males..
But I think its a pity than FemHawke looks really beautiful..and better than the male I think

Agreed!
CGI MaleHawke is hot, but the in-game version... not so much. He's just too... I dunno, blaarg.  And for some reason I always think he looks smelly.  *dives for cover*

Modifié par Minxie18, 02 janvier 2011 - 02:25 .

[nightcobra]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it would be about situations where female Hawke would be sitting down spreading her legs while wearing a dress; since that occured in Mass Effect 2 with Jane Shepard. Well hopefuly that will not occur in Dragon Age 2.

When does Jane wear a dress in ME 2?

i don't think she does, unless the casual counts as one 

but i think it would be better if she had done a "basic instinct leg crossing" (fully clothed of course).

[andar91]

kya169 wrote...

There has got to be such a thing as strong and feminine both without turning the hero into a "Lara Croft"

The new Tomb Raider is working on that, and I'm VERY pleased.  http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1

They're still letting her be sexy, but in a MUCH less objectified way.  There's a pic on the second page of her.

[Collider]

Tossed aside as an afterthought? I don't believe female Shepard fits that sentence.

[maselphie]

kya169 wrote...

There has got to be such a thing as strong and feminine both without turning the hero into a "Lara Croft"

I think so, too. But what would classify "feminine"? How she looks (more revealing clothes, more unrealistic proportions)? Because I would disagree that FemHawke or Shep need to look better outside of more variety in hairstyles/faces/etc. Their bodies are fine. As for how they act, I barely see a reason to establish "women do this, men do that", I would agree that the FemShep's cutscenes were downright insulting how obvious it was they just replaced the male sprite with the female one. I think flirting could maybe use some feminine touches. The blasé approach to bedding people in ME was a big turn off.

[Victia]

That's what I am trying to get at. Femshep walks, talks, and sits like a man (esp with the lbd). As a woman I like Lara croft but obviously she is a character who inspires divided opinion, but she was the only character I could think of at the time apart from buffy who retained their femininity bespite more steriotyped male role they are put in.