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[Victia]

When I say more femanine I refute to the way she speaks, dialogues, and the way the character moves mostly! Not clothing or ott body proportions.

[andar91]

In an episode of the Dragon Age Podcast, Mike gave his impressions from the demo, and he mentions that the female Hawke actually looked feminine. This is because they used the male body model for both genders in Origins, but they have unique models in this game. I think even the walking animations are different. That should go a long way to giving the female Hawke some femininity but allowed her to still be strong by virtue of the situations she's in.

[Minxie]

andar91 wrote...

In an episode of the Dragon Age Podcast, Mike gave his impressions from the demo, and he mentions that the female Hawke actually looked feminine. This is because they used the male body model for both genders in Origins, but they have unique models in this game. I think even the walking animations are different. That should go a long way to giving the female Hawke some femininity but allowed her to still be strong by virtue of the situations she's in.

Thank the Maker. 

I cringe a tiny bit every time I see my female Warden hulking along, especially in the beginning of Ostagar when she's walking with Duncan.

[mopotter]

Victia wrote...

I always just refute to them as shep or hawke, my Canon is female but will play as males as well. My husband is the same as preference is female hero. The only exception being (generally in games) mass effect- as let's face it femshep is ugly pretty much no matter what you do and she acts very masculine, its just not of fun as playing a feminine female!
Maybe its the buffy fan coming out in me- that a female protagonist should be femanine and kick-ass but there is something not right about femshep. Femhawke of the other hand looks adorable, just hope her dialogues are different enought from males that she sounds like a different sex/person and not a man in a woman's body!

So do I.  It's Shepard this and Shepard that.  Unless I'm talking about all of them and then it's Fem Shep and Male Shep or their name.  

Shepard's face really does not bother me.  (Buffy fan also but before her there was Mrs. Peel who kicked ass without the Slayer benefits, of course she was pretty attractive also)  But since I like to pretend (emphasis on the pretend)  I could do that stuff, I don't mind the not-so-beautiful features.  Don't want a face only a mother could love, but I like the average look.

I have a couple of Fem Shep's  that I find attractive and I just keep using those over with minor changes.  I do tend to obsess a bit and when I first started playing ME1 I would get to Eden Prime, hate the way she looked and start over.
  
I do have a problem with the way she walks and the dress, she just should not wear sleeveless dresses imo.  i don't mind the way she walks quite so much, since my mother told me I walked like I was plowing a field but I do hope the do something about that in ME3.

Agree,  FemHawke does look darn cute.  I thought they did Shepard's dialogue pretty good, (except for Jacob).  I liked all her tone and comments in ME1 especially the razor blade and acid, so the dialogue doesn't worry me.

I have already seen some information about FemHawke in some of the magazines and reviews, which I don't remember ever seeing about FemShepard so I think she is already getting a better deal.

[Jane Shepard]

Each person will have his/her own Hawke. For me Hawke is only female as well as Shepard. It's just male characters are used more often in game trailers than female characters. That makes me upset a bit...

[mopotter]

andar91 wrote...

kya169 wrote...

There has got to be such a thing as strong and feminine both without turning the hero into a "Lara Croft"

The new Tomb Raider is working on that, and I'm VERY pleased.  http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=1

They're still letting her be sexy, but in a MUCH less objectified way.  There's a pic on the second page of her.

I was reading that and your right it does sound good and looks great.  

[Eleinehmm]

The way she speaks -And how's that connected with gender ? It's a personality thing, not a gender thing.

[BTCentral]

So which "neutral gender" term do you wish us to use OP?
"It"? That's even worse in my opinion.

If I talk about Shepard, or Hawke, I would not say it even applies to a specific gender, while others may agree, that's the way I see it. Unless of course I am talking about them in a gender specific context, in which case obviously I would say which it is.

Personally, I have always played characters with both genders in these sort of games.

Modifié par BTCentral, 02 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .

[AlexXIV]

I always say 'him' because it is easy. But I only had one playthrough in either ME and ME2 with a male Shep. Simply because femShep is too cool and maleShep stinks compared. So I don't see the problem, you prefer the one you prefer, and no matter how many people disagree won't change anything about it.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

every game that gives me the option to choose both gender i always go male and dont touch the female one unless is for achievement or something





just cant connect with a female protagonist just cant

[AlexXIV]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

every game that gives me the option to choose both gender i always go male and dont touch the female one unless is for achievement or something


just cant connect with a female protagonist just cant

Honestly it is just a matter of doing it. It probably feels strange for everyone to some degree, even if not the same degree. And the more you do it the less 'uncomfortable' it feels. I think both, girls and guys should try both gender, since the only thing that is going to happen is that you learn from it. There is nothing bad comming from it.

[Matchy Pointy]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

every game that gives me the option to choose both gender i always go male and dont touch the female one unless is for achievement or something


just cant connect with a female protagonist just cant

I'm a guy myself, and I feel practicly the opposite, I always have problem emerging myself into the game wiht a male main character. (But then again, I kinda grew up with Xena, so I love a female hero kicking ass).

Modifié par Matchy Pointy, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:24 .

[legbamel]

Gill Kaiser wrote...
That's not really so much due to the character. Since English has no gender-neutral pronoun for referring to people, the default tends towards "he" because, historically, men were the ones writing everything, and now it's just convention.

QFT.
I see a lot of support for and discussion of FemShep and FemWarden and FemHawke here.  If I'm playing a character I refer to him or her by the appropriate gender.  If I'm discussing their own character with someone I use the appropriate gender.  And if I'm talking about the marketing material I always use the male gender unless it's to express the same sort of disappointment, in which case I'll bemoan the lack of female promotional items.  But there isn't a word for s/he that doesn't make you look like an ass if you use it more than once in a sentence. 

PrinceofFallout13 wrote...
every game that gives me the option to choose both gender i always go
male and dont touch the female one unless is for achievement or
something


just cant connect with a female protagonist just cant

Try being a girl and wanting to play most RPGs. 

But honestly, if you refuse to play as a female then you miss the subtle differences and limit your experience of the game.  I have a tough time connecting with male characters but I play them anyway in part because I have had some practice by now and in part because a really good game will get me to invest in a character very different from myself.

Modifié par legbamel, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:33 .

[thomaswheeler94]

I'm a male games-player, and though in role-playing games I usually play as "myself" (as best as I can manage - see display picture), then playing as a female for the second playthrough, for Fable III, after Louise Murray (head of the Fable franchise) and another developer (I forget who), said that playing as a female actually results in, in their opinion, a much more engaging story, I decided to break tradition and play as a female (still making the choices I would make in "real life") for my first playthrough... It was awesome! Now, I can't say that it was better as playing as a male for my first playthrough, as I don't have that experience (and since completing my first run of Fable III, I've come back to Origins, now I have the Ultimate Edition, meaning I still haven't played as a male).



Anyway, after the Fable III experience, I am considering playing as a female for my first playthrough, but, after having to flip a coin for Fable III's gender at the last minute (landed on blue, for boy, but then I quit the game during the opening cinematic to play as a female), I think it'll be a spur of the moment decision again for myself...

[Ortaya Alevli]

I personally tend to use male pronouns whenever there exists gender ambiguity. It's just my own way of coping with gender-specific pronoun thing inherent in English. He/she and him/her kind of stuff grows tiresome quickly.

[upsettingshorts]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

I personally tend to use male pronouns whenever there exists gender ambiguity. It's just my own way of coping with gender-specific pronoun thing inherent in English. He/she and him/her kind of stuff grows tiresome quickly.

Same, though I still do the he/she him/her thing fairly often.  It doesn't "bug" me when others default to "she." 

...wait, this is a thread?

[Negix]

ummm ummm yeahh.... even tough i will propably be killed for that now but... why would anybody care if someby refers to a character with he or she???

[Ortaya Alevli]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...wait, this is a thread?

Yes, he is.

[Saberchic]

I usually refer to Shep as "Shep" or when using pronouns, I use "they," "their," etc. When referring to a certain character I made, I use "my FShep" or "MShep." I try to do the same for Hawke.



But honestly, it doesn't bother me when people refer to either protagonist as male only.

[Bourne Endeavor]

ZombieGeisha wrote...



I still think they need to re-think or make it more obvious when playing their games that you can alter gender, I was a late comer to Mass Effect and RPG's in general ( I didnt go onto forums or anything, rarely read reviews/magazines) and the only reason was due to me not wanting to play a male character, but once i read about being able to change genders I was all over it.



Some may say it's stupidity but if it's not clear or said on the packaging not a lot of people will not know, doesn't help with most always refering to Hawk/Shephard as "he" all the time, but sadly in the gaming market female players are probably 2:1 to males.{smilie}

2:1 is being extremely generous. While female gamers are steady on the rise. Video games are a medium still vastly dominated by a male audience. Regardless, I refer to Shepard as "she" more often these days because I am playing as Femshep. I am liable to do the same with Hawke whenever I discuss DA2. I will occasionally switch to "they," "he/she" or (s)he) when the discussion is more constructive however not always.



It would be nice if Bioware/EA offered an alternative cover art for Femshep/Hawke. Unfortunately, that shall never be. Custom covers FTW~

[FellowerOfOdin]

Majority of players play a male Hawke.

Hawke is a fantasy hero and heroes are male 99,5% of the time.

=> everyone says "he".

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:46 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Meh, honestly, if of 100.000 people, 2 people say "she"...I don't care. At all. More like a typo.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:49 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

every game that gives me the option to choose both gender i always go male and dont touch the female one unless is for achievement or something

just cant connect with a female protagonist just cant

Coincidently, I am the opposite. In any literary work such as when I use to roleplay on forums, fanfics and etcetera. I have noticeably difficulty playing the role of a male character despite that being my gender. I simply cannot easily meld myself into the persona and am too reliant on using my own characteristics. In contrast, I find my imagination works wonders when attempting to develop a female character. I speculate it has to do with women having a wider array of emotions, or at least a willingness to display them. Then you have the whole "female action hero" role that is such a rarity.

In any event, this has stemmed into gaming this past year or so and I am less likely to play a male role in anything.

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Meh, honestly, if of 100.000 people, 2 people say "she"...I don't care. At all. More like a typo.

I hope that is an exaggeration. We may have women beat by a wide margin but it is not remotely that large. Frankly, it is smaller than most would perceive.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:51 .