didymos1120 wrote...
Eradyn wrote...
Of course the quarians don't know it. This is metagame knowledge. c_c Thought that was pretty obvious to all involved here.
Then why bring it up and then immediately get on the quarians case for still wanting to take their homeworld back in the very next sentence? Whether intended or not (and apparently it's "not") you give the impression of condemning that attitude on the basis of the geth not being oppossed to peace. I mean, if you're trying to say that's a reason players don't like them, OK, yes: that's true enough of some people. But, otherwise, why even bring it up? Just to remind everybody? Because it's got nothing to do with why the people in Council Space don't like quarians, which is what the OP was asking about.
You'll realize, if you use your eyes for further reading, that my post was not solely composed of that one section you chose to clip out. I'm not here to play to your needs for having things posted to your taste. If you can't grasp my post for what it was, then so be it. I'm really not interested in going back and forth with you on it. Have a nice day. :D/
ElectricZ wrote...
For the record, I'm 100% on the geth side when it comes to the quarian/geth situation. The geth didn't ask to be created, nor did they ask to gain sentience. But there they were, trying to figure their place in the universe when their creaters decided they were too big of a threat and tried to exterminate them.
The geth response was extreme, but if you're a "species" that can be turned off like a switch if some hacker gets in and messes with your code, you have to be extreme in your measures. And, the early geth were probably pretty cold in their calculations. The concept noncombatants or children don't register to a machine. The threat of existance is the quarians. Logic dictates that the threat be removed.
But I still feel sympathy towards the quarians. Everyone says "the quarians" violated the rules and got what was coming to them.
The problem is the quarians who did that died 300 years ago. The ones in the migrant fleet are probably 10 or 11 generations removed from the crimes of their ancestors. They're paying the price for a mistake that was made centuries before they were born.
I do not have sympathy for Admiran Xen or her followers who want to subjugate the geth. They are just as guilty as the ones who tried to shut the geth down back in the Morning War. Nor would I support any faction supporting a forcible takeover of Rannoch. It's a suicide mission based on nothing but species pride and will only get a lot of people killed.
But what about the average quarian? Not the admiralty board, but the other 17 million quarian? Are they all the same? Do they all deserve to drift in space as long as their ships hold out? If they were all foaming at the mouth to
re-enslave the geth, or screaming "charge" as they rammed the flotilla into their homeworld I'd say let them rot. But the exposure of "day to day" quarians shows on the whole they're decent beings who want the same thing that everybody else wants. Live life, raise a family, try to get by. Odds are, just like most of the quarians who died on Rannoch, most of them have no idea what idiotic plans their decision makers are cooking up that are going to get them all killed.
Again, the geth tried to universally wipe out the quarians at the time because it made sense for them to do it. But now, the only ones who were really wronged by the quarians are indicating they're willing to live in peace* (*if
Legion is on the level.) To condemn the entire quarian species to a slow, miserable extinction in deep space, as most of the galaxy and some posters here seem in favor of is cruel.
I agree with this. It's a damned shame all these quarians have these types of leaders making these decisions and most of those leaders seem ready to make the same damned mistakes their ancestors did. And they'd all suffer for it. We'll see how ME3 pans out...I think that group of quarians that went in search of a new planet will show up in ME3 in some capacity...or perhaps a future game. Not entirely sure, but I think something will have to be resolved on some level in ME3 between the quarians and geth.
Bennyjammin79 wrote...
I can see why other species wouldn't like them.
- They skirt the boundaries of intergalactic laws when constructing the Geth
- They fail to be intelligent enough to monitor their Geth creations and then all of a sudden "OMG. Sentience!"
- This second lapse of judgement is followed yet another when instead of trying to understand the recent developments with the Geth, the Quarians decide that exterminating a species they'd designated to be slaves was
the best course of action - After losing their homeworld and colonies in a fight they started, the Quarians then ride around in their El Space Caminos for such a lengthy period time that they lose the already feeble immune system they had. They've had 300 hundred years to park their winnebagos and set up shop but they don't.
- In one case the Quarians began to settle a planet instead of going through the proper channels first. The result is eviction. Sorry guys, but this isn't it about time to stop with the mistakes? Tried the Terminus?
- Where are the business minded Quarians? You know, the smart ones who could've offered to trade some of their ships and tech (while still in good shape) for pre-fab units and supplies. Did no Quarian ever become
wealthy and thus have access to large amounts of credits or property outside of Quarian space? Seems the answer is no. - A "Poor us" attitude when ultimately, they are the cause of all their problems.
- Remember the time the Quarian people created a race of sentient machines who could be replicating like crazy but nobody knows for sure because that afore mentioned race of machines has a deep and lethal distrust of
organics thanks again to the Quarians. - There are still Quarians like Rael Zorah and Admiral Xen who are dumb enough to keep trying to muck about with the Geth at the very probable expense of the Quarian species.
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In summary, the Quarians have a crappy track record and I don't begrudge other species for thinking little of the
Quarian people. However, enough is enough. I think the Council could and should step in and provide aid.
Also agree with this with one sole exception: The quarians need to get off their duffs and help themselves. They have the means and manpower they can rectify or prevent all, or at least most, of the points you outlined. They're smart enough to tinker trash into usable tools, they can be smart enough to solve their problems successfully. When they show they are taking strides to do this, then perhaps the Council should extend their own olive branch if the quarians have shown a desire to work with the Council species...not to do everything for the quarians but to help enable them to succeed and thus help everyone as a whole.
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How is for Quarians mistake for wanting their homewolrd back?
