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[Bacchus22]

To put it simply, can you win the game without a spirit master?

I understand all mages have healing spells but that they won't be as powerful unless they are a spirit master. There is also herbs and potions but are they sufficient?

I'm interested in answers from the point of view of tactical efficiency for a game set to hard difficulty. 

I'd like to know because I will roll a spirit master if that is the case since I dislike Wynne  

Modifié par Bacchus22, 27 octobre 2009 - 03:05 .

[stfb1055]

lol well most of the players will be needed a healer... xD

[Herr Uhl]

Yes, you can win without a spirit healer. You can heal without being a spirit healer. I plan to only have one mage with 2 healing spells.

[stfb1055]

haha... for me i wanna try solo the whole game... but i heard it impossible... but u never know until u try! right?! xD

[hexaligned]

On easy, if all of your other characters focus on CC? I'm sure some people will make it work. Is it advisable? no.

Without a healer at all that is.  I'm sure plenty of people will beat the game without a spirit healer.

Modifié par relhart, 27 octobre 2009 - 02:00 .

[felix4200]

Probably, since you regain health and mana a healer won't be required (similar to NWN 2, where a healer is just a wasted slot). A healer might be necessary for some of the boss fights or at least make them easier.

[aragfore03]

I'm curious as to the availability of potions. Is it high? Limited? Will you be strapped for cash?

[hexaligned]

NWN 2 was a joke as far as difficulty went, I soloed it easily with a fighter/cleric. From all accounts this game is HARD, but yes I agree most people talking about no healer parties seem to conviently forget bosses, most trash fights I'm sure you can do pretty much anything you want and be fine.

[amrose2]

From the game previews it looks like combat is quite a bit harder- I think some kind of healing magic will be very useful. There seems to be alot of mage NPCs though, and potions seem pretty plentiful too. I suppose it depends how reckless/ careful you want to be.

[JMOR]

The Giantbomb PC quicklook made it seem as though they weren't to hard to get. Most of the enemies dropped them and the guy had about 15 health pots saved up by level 5

[Jayross]

Yeah, it would be pretty foolish to do a boss fight with no healer, your tank will go down pretty quickly.



I'm not sure if you needed a specialized healer, so maybe a hybrid would work, but again, we don't really have a lot of exact info, so can't say for sure.

[SyntheticC]

Correction there, JMOR. He started that video with around 10 and the video only being 20 minutes (some dialogue here and there amidst the battle) he used all of them by the end.



Someone else did make a post (linking to Bioware quotes) saying that Potions would be directly related to difficulty based on how frequently they were found. Now, in the Giantbomb he didn't loot absolutely everything so there may have been more.. and from what I could see they healed quite a lot.



The only thing that I see is the NPC's seemed to hit pretty hard and I doubt he was playing on anything harder than Normal (more potions) and his party members were going down pretty good (even if he wasn't paying that great of attention).

[Darthnemesis2]

Healers are for the weak! No, seriously though, I don't think a Spirit Healer will be necessary at all. Dev posts seem to indicate that no class is necessary, but it's certainly easier in some places if you have certain skills.

[LadyKarrakaz]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Yes, you can win without a spirit healer. You can heal without being a spirit healer. I plan to only have one mage with 2 healing spells.

Same for me here, as Wynne will certainly not be a companion in my first playthrough.

[Emma-Lath]

you don't need one, but be prepared to spend more money on potions



personally I've always liked having one person who can heal in a party, because I find them to be cheaper and more efficent than potion, but I also think that having one person whose sole purpose is healing is just a waste

[endaround]

Healing is only one spell. I'm thinking I'll have a two mage party and both will likely have healing spells.

Modifié par endaround, 27 octobre 2009 - 02:42 .

[foxwood1084]

Well since I tend to play a very melee heavy party a healer is really almost needed. Though I suspect you can do it without it. Also isn't herbalism part of building pots, if I remember correctly. Also if we look at the flash game you are quaffing pots right and left.

[gangly369]

Typically, I don't have a primary healer in my group, at least not on the first play through. But, I was planning on having Oghren and my dwarf noble as tanks with both of them weilding two handed great axes. From what I've heard, that means that I'll probably be sacrificing alot of defense. So having a healer like wynne in my party would probably be smart. I dunno. (By the way, the other slot will be filled by leliana)

[Arkeseth]

I'm not too keen on switching around party members (depends on how it will work) as I'll want certain characters in my team as much as possible, but Wynne isn't one of them and my (first) character's no Mage. So I'm hoping there's an alternative form of healing that's comparable (like potions), or others characters will be able to make up for it.



Going by that giantbomb video, though, that guy really didn't seem to be paying attention, nor was he really invested in the game. I bet if you keep up a good rotation of all the skills/spells at your disposal, you can really reduce the need for healing. I mean, I remember seeing lots of talents in the character creator for Warriors and Rogues that deal with killing things fast, or stunning the enemy, or reducing movement speed, etc... That guy used his talents every now and then, and more like he did it just to see what they looked like because it was just a little quick look demo for him. Players who really think tactically and know how to properly use the whole party's abilities efficiently will easily do a whole lot better, and thus shouldn't burn through potions.

[GhoXen]

The combat difficulty seems to be on par with WoW's group content difficulty. Just think of the normal mode as an instance run and the nightmare mode a heroic instance run.



An off-spec healer(e.g. an offensive mage with two heals) may work for normal, while a good dedicated healer will be necessary, as well as a good tank, for nightmare. I won't be surprised too if some bosses in nightmare will be difficult enough to require a main healer and a combat caster offhealing to get through the fight.

[Curry Noodles]

 Almost certain you can get through the game without a healer.  Just get herbalism and pick up potions and I'm sure you'll be fine.  Considering it's a spiritual successor to BG, in which dedicated healers were kind of a waste, I'd be surprised if it followed the stupid MMO convention of heals being the most important part of gameplay. 

[kaispan]

as a stupid MMO healer, I would have to say I don't consider healing to be the most important part of groups--you can have an epic healer and a crappy tank and fail every time (admittedly depending on other variables as well). Now, if the tank is doing his job well, you can pass by with even mediocre heals (again depends on situation, but I am generalizing ).



I don't know how that transfers to non-MMO rpgs, or more importantly DA, but I pretty much agree with what's been said; the trash pulls not requiring any heals... although it sounds like the boss battles might be kind of intense, so that could go either way.



I'm probably going to at least 'minor' in healing just to reassure myself.

[GhoXen]

Well, an epic healer can heal some crappy tank through Heroics, as long as the said tank at least have basic threat generation and defense capped. Then again the DK dps probably took more damage over the whole run in frost stance than the tank.

[kaispan]

ooh I never even said WoW specifically...how did you know?? XD