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[adam_grif]

Heavy Rain didn't get the high praise it is so justly due to the lack of maturity in the consumer market. I think it was robbed of GOTY due to teenage outrage over slow gameplay.

No, Heavy Rain didn't get high praise because it is a 100% story focused game whose story is mediocre and has a giant plot point that the writers just forgot about halfway through the game completely. There's also several smaller plot holes, and as a game, it is a series of quick-time-events.



If maturity means playing 6 hour long cutscenes full of QTE's, then I don't want to be mature.

[Fredvdp]

marshalleck wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...
That's the impression I get from watching videos.

So to be clear, your impression is formed not by having played the game, but by watching clips on youtube or somewhere else?

Not a full impression but enough to decide whether something is worth buying. I can't know if a game is good before I played it and sometimes I can't borrow the games from anyone. So I try to judge it based on previews, reviews (not just scores) and gameplay footage. isn't that how everyone else does it?

Modifié par Fredvdp, 03 janvier 2011 - 12:47 .

[djarlaks10]

Fredvdp wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...
That's the impression I get from watching videos.

So to be clear, your impression is formed not by having played the game, but by watching clips on youtube or somewhere else?

Not a full impression but enough to decide whether something is worth buying. I can't know if a game is good before I played it and sometimes I can't borrow the games from anyone. So I try to judge it based on previews, reviews (not just scores) and gameplay footage. isn't that how everyone else does it?

Yeah, a lot of people do that, but in the end you can't be sure if you are right or not till you played the game.
For example, I wasn't sure whether to buy Borderlands or not, but after reading reviews and watching vids I decided to buy it. In the end it turned out to be the worst game I've ever bought and I couldn't stand playing it after a couple of hours.
So, unless you played the game, you shouldn't tell everyone that it is a complete failure.

[djarlaks10]

Edit: nvm

Modifié par djarlaks10, 03 janvier 2011 - 01:00 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

IIRC Christina Norman tweeted a while back when someone else had posted a similar article that ME3 would have no 'Indigo Prophecy' style stuff in it. So that article is just pure unsubstantiated rubbish.

[Had-to-say]

adam_grif wrote...

Heavy Rain didn't get the high praise it is so justly due to the lack of maturity in the consumer market. I think it was robbed of GOTY due to teenage outrage over slow gameplay.

No, Heavy Rain didn't get high praise because it is a 100% story focused game whose story is mediocre and has a giant plot point that the writers just forgot about halfway through the game completely. There's also several smaller plot holes, and as a game, it is a series of quick-time-events.

If maturity means playing 6 hour long cutscenes full of QTE's, then I don't want to be mature.

I was just trying to defend a game I enjoyed. Lets face the facts. Call of Duty is successful because kids buy the crap out of this game as well as adults. The same can be said for games like GTA.  Heavy Rain is a game that isn't going to allow people to live out there wildest fantasies it is going to put them in a mundane sometimes violent  nightmare with emotional pain. The director of Heavy Rain is painting with a very different emotional brush. He is telling a different type of story.  I simply want to give the creator credit for attempting to take the genre in a fresh direction with content story and gameplay. I prefer my game play varied and diverse. He has added more weight to the emotional toolbox for game creators to employ and that type of innovation in these stale times should be encouraged. It is my hope the gamers are able to enjoy it as well as the next head shot.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 03 janvier 2011 - 02:20 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

khawaja07 wrote...

Looks like an Interesting read about the kind of decisions that we will be making In Mass 3.. take a look...

Link - www.nextgn.com/2011/01/02/heavy-rain-inspired-mass-effect-3/

[Edit: Image removed. Sorry, using images to get around the swear filter on these forums is not allowed. And such images are regarded as spam, anyway. - Pacifien]

Seriously What the ****? How the hell can Heavy Rain even be considered a good game let alone "a masterpiece in the game’s industry and a pioneer of it’s genre"? The person who wrote that article has his head up his arse, Heavy Rain was garbage, for a game with no gameplay and places all of its emphasis on telling a story you would expect that story to be pretty damn good however what Heavy Rain actually delivers is some shallow cliched garbage with plot holes bigger than David Gaider's ego, why can nobody see this? I feel like I am taking god damn crazy pills or something.

What is worse is anyone who actually has the guts to criticise the game is labeled an immature pre teen COD fanboy that was frustrated because he couldnt aim down the sights, the Emperor is naked however you are all to afraid to admit it.

I am sorry but Heavy Rain being called a good game let alone a masterpiece just really gets my back up, is this what the gaming industry has come to? Praising games for what we are told they should be rather than what they are?

Modifié par Pacifien, 03 janvier 2011 - 03:52 .

[Slayer299]

Isn't HR a PS3 only game?

[Dominus]

I thought this was a forum about mass effect. o_o Why does this sound like a flaming war on youtube? Come on now. >

Isn't HR a PS3 only game?

Correct. It was rumored after the ps3 release to get a PC version, but no dice.

Modifié par DominusVita, 03 janvier 2011 - 02:35 .

[Slayer299]

That's what I thought, thanks.

[Had-to-say]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

khawaja07 wrote...

Looks like an Interesting read about the kind of decisions that we will be making In Mass 3.. take a look...

Link - www.nextgn.com/2011/01/02/heavy-rain-inspired-mass-effect-3/

[Edit: Quoted image removed. - Pacifien]

Seriously What the ****? How the hell can Heavy Rain even be considered a good game let alone "a masterpiece in the game’s industry and a pioneer of it’s genre"? The person who wrote that article has his head up his arse, Heavy Rain was garbage, for a game with no gameplay and places all of its emphasis on telling a story you would expect that story to be pretty damn good however what Heavy Rain actually delivers is some shallow cliched garbage with plot holes bigger than David Gaider's ego, why can nobody see this? I feel like I am taking god damn crazy pills or something.

What is worse is anyone who actually has the guts to criticise the game is labeled an immature pre teen COD fanboy that was frustrated because he couldnt aim down the sights, the Emperor is naked however you are all to afraid to admit it.

I am sorry but Heavy Rain being called a good game let alone a masterpiece just really gets my back up, is this what the gaming industry has come to? Praising games for what we are told they should be rather than what they are?

 First let me say I admire your passion.  But the jury is closed the game got a 87% metacritic and the largest gaming website on the planet gave it a 90%. Like another poster said the game was either a love it or hate it . I happened to like it. Not for just how awesome it was but for how hard it tried. Effort alone should in some cases be rewarded and in Heavy Rain I see tremendous effort.  The story if a book wouldn't be on any best sellers list but how many games have A+ stories?  The emotional experience is something that completely blindsided me. So much so I can overlook the games flaws.  If you played this game and didn't feel anything but contempt I think you had already built up some type of bias towards the title. Madison getting attacked in her appartment had an emotional weight. I felt like I was responsible for her personal safety. That feeling is very unique to just this game. A feeling of real vulnerabilty. Madison isn't just going to respawn in 20 seconds.

Modifié par Pacifien, 03 janvier 2011 - 03:52 .

[matt coll]

wow, i would normally expect a journalist to be more literate than this guy- and where is exactly is his proof?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Slayer299 wrote...

Isn't HR a PS3 only game?

PS3 and X360.

[WilliamShatner]

Heavy Rain was an eight hour quicktime event with a rubbish TV movie of the week plot and rampant slimy sexism leading me to believe it was made by 15 year olds.



As for timed events in ME3 - bugger off!

[khawaja07]

DominusVita wrote...

I thought this was a forum about mass effect. o_o Why does this sound like a flaming war on youtube? Come on now. >

Isn't HR a PS3 only game?

Correct. It was rumored after the ps3 release to get a PC version, but no dice.

For Correction.. Heavy Rain when it was long before announced it was a multiplatform game(PC,PS3,360) then sony and Quantic Dream together i think announced it as a PS3 exclusive at E3 i think..

it also had rumors that it was gonna get turned into a PS3 exclusive and those rumors got true..it was the most horrible feeling back then coz after playing Fahreinheit(Indigo Prophecy), i really wanted to play Heavy Rain on PC..
But i guess you cannot do anything after its done... 

Modifié par khawaja07, 03 janvier 2011 - 03:24 .

[Fredvdp]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...
That's the impression I get from watching videos.

So to be clear, your impression is formed not by having played the game, but by watching clips on youtube or somewhere else?

Not a full impression but enough to decide whether something is worth buying. I can't know if a game is good before I played it and sometimes I can't borrow the games from anyone. So I try to judge it based on previews, reviews (not just scores) and gameplay footage. isn't that how everyone else does it?

Yeah, a lot of people do that, but in the end you can't be sure if you are right or not till you played the game.
For example, I wasn't sure whether to buy Borderlands or not, but after reading reviews and watching vids I decided to buy it. In the end it turned out to be the worst game I've ever bought and I couldn't stand playing it after a couple of hours.
So, unless you played the game, you shouldn't tell everyone that it is a complete failure.

I never said that. I implied I don't know if it's any good or not. Just that I have a feeling it's probably not.

[thatbwoyblu]

Heavy Rain was straight but cheeks.Bioware should be taking advice from Epic games so they can make a epic multiplayer feature in ME3.

Modifié par thatbwoyblu, 03 janvier 2011 - 03:37 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Had-to-say wrote...

The story if a book wouldn't be on any best sellers list but how many games have A+ stories? 

True, but then how many games try to sell themselves on story alone? As for the emotions Heavy Rain couldnt make me feel anything that other games failed to do, I tried to go into Heavy Rain with an open mind but the story in some points is just too rediculous to take seriously, the opening scene for instance is one huge cliche where they show you this over the top happy and carefree family in their perfect world just before it gets turned upside down (also how did the bird die? It looked fine just a moment ago), even when Ethan's kid dies I know it is supposed to be a sad and tense moment but between Ethan's inability to watch over his kid and the kid's ADHD it is just too stupid to take seriously, and dont dare get me started on when we find out who the killer is. Even Ethan's black outs and waking with an Origami figure in his hand made no sense at all and was all just one big red Herring.

I am sorry, you are entitled to your opinion of course however I really did not like this game and no metacritic rating is going to change my mind.

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 03 janvier 2011 - 04:10 .

[Chala]

sooo now we gonna have interactive sex scenes?

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 03 janvier 2011 - 04:12 .

[Epic777]

I despise these kind articles; assumptions presented as fact.

[ArcanistLibram]

From what we have seen and read of BioWare’s Mass Effect 3, it seems to have adopted the same kind of game-play rules — decisions need to be made in real time. The whole Renegade and Paragon system has been fully reworked to create a much more intense experience.

So based on the teaser trailer, this guy can tell that the Renegade and Paragon system got an overhauled into an endless series of quicktime events? I hate it when "reporters" make up bull**** to make themselves look interesting. This guy's an idiot.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

The interrupts in ME2 were timed events... so I don't see how Heavy Rain can be said to have inspired ME3.

[archurban]

don't try to ruin ME game. heavy rain is just another genre what sony tried to develop. there is nothing going on inspiration. don't try to make the connection. see, this is the problem.

[William Adama]

=D



Heavy Rain was my GOTY. It pushed the PS3 from a mediocre system into a strong system for me. I feel for the characters, I was out of my chair for most of the game and it was an enthralling and emotional videogame that I won't forget any time soon.



The immersion was unparalleled as was the music and storytelling. It was a very clever game and I am glad that Bioware acknowledges the art that this game had and is trying to incorporate some of its sotrytelling elements into ME3. That is a sign of maturity.