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[BiancoAngelo7]

Hear me out before you pass judgement.

If you're like me, and like Sci-fi, then you've probably seen at least a few if not all of Claudia Black's appearances in games and tv.

Ive seen her in Far Scape, Stargate SG1, Pitch Black, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2 and these are only the ones I remember.

Claudia Black is a very talented woman and she has my (as I assume many others) appreciation of her hard work and talents.

However.

In a game that is supposed to be about immersing you into a story and into the universe created by that game, it really stands out like a black eye when they use famous actors for voices of video game characters.

It was bad enough trying to adapt to the Illusive Man and stop imagining Martin Sheen even with my eyes wide open whenever he talked in game.

But for me it's really horrible when I run into a character like Xen or whatever Claudia Black's character was called in ME2 when Ive heard her in a bunch of other shows and movies and other games that have literally come out a few months distance from ME2.

So this is just my personal way of trying to tell the dev/decision team that Claudia black is not an unkown actress that you can just supplant into different roles and expect nobody to notice.

When I got to the flotilla, and she starts talking, my first and only reaction throughout the game was

<_< Oh hey Morrigan.

Can you cast invisibility? So the Reapers don't see me?

Seriously.


There are certain mediums and forms of art that just aren't compatible with famous or well known actors. Whether they are just voice acting or doing live action, it doesn't really matter imo.

I mean, can you imagine how it would have affected the believability of say the new version of Battlestar Galactica if Claudia Black had just randomly shown up with a part?

Well, it's the same thing here I believe. Part of the illusion and wonder of the ME universe is how it's brought to us through talented, but not over used actors. This helps the gamer take the "believability" factor just a bit further whe immersing oneself into the game.

So in conclusion, I'm not saying that Claudia Black is a bad actress. My problem is quite the contrary actually. Because of her talents, she has been over used and her voice has saturated the game market to a point now where having her in a game "breaks character" with the game universe, instead of making it unique, making it associated to the other things Claudia Black has been involved in.

I wish the best for her, and hope she gets good movie roles soon, but  I hope for our (gamers) sake, she is done with video games. At least for a while.

[BeardedNinja]

Thats an interesting opinion, and your welcome to it. But I have to disagree. I like all the cameo voice acting. If you ask for Claudia Black to stop giving voice to characters because you cant see past her other work do you also want the other voice actors who cameoed voices in the game to stop just because they have been in other things? Like Michael Dorn (Worf) voicing the Rival Krogan on Tuchanka or the guy from Firefly voicing Kal Reegar? Or Carrie Ann-Moss (Matrix) who voiced Aria. And what if these actors enjoy voice acting, and dont do it just for money but because they enjoy it and bringing joy to fans.

Anyway, ,thats my view on it.

[The Big Nothing]

Sounds like your problem.

Illusive Man sounds like Illusive Man to me.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 03 janvier 2011 - 10:58 .

[The Big Nothing]

Further more, how do you watch any movies? Ellen Ripley sounds a lot like Sigourney Weaver. Oh, no.

[Copyright Theft]

Surely by the same logic you object to seeing famous actors in films? I always felt that Mr Sheen (teehee!) as the illusive man was no different from him playing the part in a movie. Same with evyone else I recognised - Michael Dorn / Claudia Black / Adam Baldwin would be able to play their respective parts in live-action due to the race in question.

[adam_grif]

You think Claudia Black is Jarring? How about Steve Blum portraying like 30 different characters in every single game ever made. Or Martin Sheen. Or Jennifer "Naomi" Hale. Or Seth Green FFS!

[DJBare]

I was pleasantly surprised to hear Claudia, I really enjoyed her VA as Morrigan, and Martin Sheen as TIM really works for me, so I guess it's a matter of opinion.

[marshalleck]

Claudia Black does have a fairly distinctive voice, but I don't think it's so distinctive that it immediately "BREAKS MY IMMERSION OH MY GOD." Her role as Admiral Xen (Xan? Whatever) was fine.

Modifié par marshalleck, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:17 .

[KMYash]

understand what you are saying. I'm constantly complaining to my friends (because I can force them to listen XD) about big name actors taking up a bunch of iconic rolls. It ruins it for me because in my brain it is someone else. I had no problem with Martin Sheen as TIM. Though that may be more my thought process of TIM = Bruce Greenwood = Pike....O.O?



There were a few times that immersion was hurt for me because random characters would talk and I could immediately recognize Quinton Flynn and kept imagining the random npcs as either being Axel (KH) or Raiden (MGS).



I think it is more, with video games at least, how immersed you are in the first place. I missed a few people that I recognized the first time through because I was so into everything that was happening. Later run throughs had me recognize people.



I guess my point is, that it bothers me on a more case by case basis.

[rokeeb]

 I only kind of skimmed through the first post and haven't read any others, but I just want to say this:

Martin Sheen as The Illusive Man was the first time i'd ever heard him, so now I love him. (The Illusive Man being my favourite character in the mass effect series).

EDIT: Now for a proper post:

I agree, I do get sick of hearing the same voice actor over and over. However, I am also pleasantly surprised when I find out that two completely different sounding characters are the same actor. My whole world was turned upside-down when I found out that Chris from Resident Evil and Ezio from Assassin's Creed are the same actor.

Modifié par rokeeb, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:30 .

[Phategod1]

adam_grif wrote...

You think Claudia Black is Jarring? How about Steve Blum portraying like 30 different characters in every single game ever made. Or Martin Sheen. Or Jennifer "Naomi" Hale. Or Seth Green FFS!

 Or Nolan North you wanna complain about C Black and not him?!

[BiancoAngelo7]

Yeah Im not saying that I can't watch movies or play games that have shared actors. That would be just silly.



What I am trying to say is that all the other actors don't have immediately recognizable voices because they train themselves to inflect on their tone and create subtle differences between one character and the next.



Also, someone mentioned that the guy who played Worf on Star Trek is in the game, but I have no clue who he plays, even though I've watched every frikin Next Generation episode.



My point is that Claudia Black has done several voice acting jobs for several very different games recently and it gets increasingly hard to ignore it when someone has been a sultry thief, a pseudo evil mage temptress and a Quarian fleet admiral all in the span of about 3 or 4 months. (in terms of release dates)



It's actually quite a unique circumstance if you think about it, because she is the only voice actor in games that I can think of that doesn't change her voice at all and has been featured in very prominent roles in different games, even though her appearance in ME2 isn't as important as the others, and thankfully she has the Quarian mask filtering her voice a little.

[BiancoAngelo7]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Sounds like your problem.

Illusive Man sounds like Illusive Man to me.

Uh dude...I think you missed the point of my post. I only used Illusive man as an example, and I said that eventually its not as noticeable.

The Big Nothing wrote...

Further more, how do you watch any movies? Ellen Ripley sounds a lot like Sigourney Weaver. Oh, no.

Uh...Sigourney Weaver is not a character...she's the real person who acts the character of Ellen Ripley...so ....yeah.

Did you read the OP?

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .

[The Big Nothing]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Sounds like your problem.

Illusive Man sounds like Illusive Man to me.

Uh dude...I think you missed the point of my post. I only used Illusive man as an example, and I said that eventually its not as noticeable.

The Big Nothing wrote...

Further more, how do you watch any movies? Ellen Ripley sounds a lot like Sigourney Weaver. Oh, no.

Uh...Sigourney Weaver is not a character...she's the real person who acts the character of Ellen Ripley...so ....yeah.

Did you read the OP?

Did you read the OP?

You are complaining that familiar voices break the immersion of a game for you. Now read what I wrote before, and then think about it.

Going by what you are saying, you cannot enjoy Assassin's Creed and Uncharted, because Desmond Miles and Nathan Drake are the same person.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 03 janvier 2011 - 12:36 .

[Dominus]

Probably a futile request, but no more Claudia Black please!

 
Well someone has to say it, I guess I'll have to take up the mantle:
Resistance against Claudia Black is futile! 
There. I said it. It's over... 

Modifié par DominusVita, 03 janvier 2011 - 12:53 .

[Severyx]

I'm sorry to say, Bianco, I don't have the same issues that you do with the choice of voice actors. I happen to think the voices they have for the characters fit rather well, regardless of who does the acting. When I heard the Illusive Man for the first time, I was all "Hey, that's Martin Sheen! Sweet!" And then I moved on. I knew the actor, but that didn't shatter the Mass Effect experience. As The Big Nothing said, and I agree, "Illusive Man sounds like Illusive Man."



Similarly, when I first realized that the voice actress for Admiral Daro'Xen was the same as the one for Morrigan, my reaction was thus: "Oh hey, I know that voice. *Continues playing*" The end.



Personally, I think you're just dwelling on it a bit too much. If knowing a voice well breaks immersion for you, then I pity you. Games/Animated shows/Movies must be crappy entertainment mediums for you. Just make the realization and move on like the rest of us. I'm not trying to be offensive here, but you're complaining on a general Mass Effect forum about personal issues with the voice acting before seeing if this is an audience-wide concern. Why not ask if anyone else has the issue before going on a rant?



And yes, I read the OP.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Yeah Im not saying that I can't watch movies or play games that have shared actors. That would be just silly.



What I am trying to say is that all the other actors don't have immediately recognizable voices because they train themselves to inflect on their tone and create subtle differences between one character and the next.



Also, someone mentioned that the guy who played Worf on Star Trek is in the game, but I have no clue who he plays, even though I've watched every frikin Next Generation episode.



My point is that Claudia Black has done several voice acting jobs for several very different games recently and it gets increasingly hard to ignore it when someone has been a sultry thief, a pseudo evil mage temptress and a Quarian fleet admiral all in the span of about 3 or 4 months. (in terms of release dates)



It's actually quite a unique circumstance if you think about it, because she is the only voice actor in games that I can think of that doesn't change her voice at all and has been featured in very prominent roles in different games, even though her appearance in ME2 isn't as important as the others, and thankfully she has the Quarian mask filtering her voice a little.

So basically put, despite what you said earlier, you ARE saying she is a bad actress because you don't think she is changing her voice so it sounds unique for each character. Gah heaven forbid someone from a game sounding exactly like they do in something else, that would be like Gatatog Uvenk sounding like Worf from Star Trek... oh wait, that is probably because Uvenk is voiced by Michael Dorn.

Oh and considering Morrigan's story most likely ain't over yet, I think we will be hearing more of Claudia Black in future Bioware games, not to mention she'll most likely be back as Xen in ME3. So your right, resistance is futile

Edit: Dammit! Just realised my last sentence had got ninja'd by DominusVita muhahah 'great minds think alike'

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 03 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[Lord Phoebus]

I get what you're saying and sometimes an actor with a distinctive voice can break immersion for me. Claudia Black and Tim Russ did this for me in DA but Kate Mulgrew didn't. I prefer unknown actors in video games myself for this reason and they've got to be cheaper to hire so the game developer has more zots to spend on gameplay. That said, I realize that my point of view is in the minority and the big names might draw fans of the actors to the game. You can always do what I do, turn off the sound and turn on the subtitles.

[didymos1120]

It was infinitely more distracting to hear the Tick reading elevator news and trying to sell me gene mods in ME1....

...I got over it.

Modifié par didymos1120, 03 janvier 2011 - 01:26 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

The Big Nothing wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Sounds like your problem.

Illusive Man sounds like Illusive Man to me.

Uh dude...I think you missed the point of my post. I only used Illusive man as an example, and I said that eventually its not as noticeable.

The Big Nothing wrote...

Further more, how do you watch any movies? Ellen Ripley sounds a lot like Sigourney Weaver. Oh, no.

Uh...Sigourney Weaver is not a character...she's the real person who acts the character of Ellen Ripley...so ....yeah.

Did you read the OP?

Did you read the OP?

You are complaining that familiar voices break the immersion of a game for you. Now read what I wrote before, and then think about it.

Going by what you are saying, you cannot enjoy Assassin's Creed and Uncharted, because Desmond Miles and Nathan Drake are the same person.

Ok, that's really pretentious and condescending saying that being the OP I didn't read what I wrote. It really reads like you're lashing out instead of simply saying that you misunderstood or misread.

I simply asked you if you read my op because your answers seemed confused and irrelevant. As they still do.

I am not complaining about generic familiar voices in games, whether its ME2 or not. In fact, as I already stated before, even though I personally found it weird to listen to the Illusive Man, I said I got over it.

Furthermore, I was talking about ME2 and Claudia Black, not AC or UC. I was saying how Claudia Black is more noticeable (at least to me) because she is featured in several games in a short time span and with no inflection in her tone, basically keeping her voice the exact same every time.

You still haven't responded to anything I've said about Claudia Black, instead making sweeping generalizations and assumptions on what I've wrote.

[SirKillsalot]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Yeah Im not saying that I can't watch movies or play games that have shared actors. That would be just silly.

What I am trying to say is that all the other actors don't have immediately recognizable voices because they train themselves to inflect on their tone and create subtle differences between one character and the next.

Also, someone mentioned that the guy who played Worf on Star Trek is in the game, but I have no clue who he plays, even though I've watched every frikin Next Generation episode.

My point is that Claudia Black has done several voice acting jobs for several very different games recently and it gets increasingly hard to ignore it when someone has been a sultry thief, a pseudo evil mage temptress and a Quarian fleet admiral all in the span of about 3 or 4 months. (in terms of release dates)

It's actually quite a unique circumstance if you think about it, because she is the only voice actor in games that I can think of that doesn't change her voice at all and has been featured in very prominent roles in different games, even though her appearance in ME2 isn't as important as the others, and thankfully she has the Quarian mask filtering her voice a little.

Did you know she plays the Asari Barkeeper on Ilium? Bet you didn't recognise her

Modifié par SirKillsalot, 03 janvier 2011 - 01:51 .

[sinosleep]

SirKillsalot wrote...
Did you know she plays the Asari Barkeeper on Ilium? Bet you didn't recognise her

OH SNAP!!!!!! 

But seriously, I couldn't care any less. No different from watching my favorite actors over and over and over again.

[Amyntas]

Hearing Mark Meer talk to himself in the Biotic God scene felt weirder to me than hearing Morrigan on a Quarian ship.

[Slayer299]

SirKillsalot wrote...
Did you know she plays the Asari Barkeeper on Ilium? Bet you didn't recognise her

Did she really?? 

DAMN! I gotta go back and listen to that more carefully.

[SufferingTormentDarkness]

Female shepard should not sound manlier than male shepard

Modifié par SufferingTormentDarkness, 03 janvier 2011 - 02:34 .