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[Jimmy Fury]

Xewaka wrote...
I didn't even bother with checking the backgrounds. The Qunari in front taking a good third of the screen and fighting essentially naked yanks me away from what the image is trying to communicate, telling me only: "Hey look, were so grittier and bloodier and sexier we don't need armor". When they do. Badly.
Then again, in the "Destiny" trailer, the general got stabbed with the staff side to side (the point comes out on the other side) and he didn't even flinch. So maybe the Qunari actually ARE invulnerable.
Which would be even sillier and more offputting.
Sorry, the art makeover might do wonders for the backgrounds, but the characters (the focus of the story) did NOT benefit from it.

There we go. You've now exagerated to the point of utter absurdity. The one Qunari has a slightly exposed chest and upper arms. His forearms, stomach, shoulders, and legs are completely covered. Even his chest is partially covered by the large straps going across it.
Under no definition does that get anywhere near "essentialy naked" and you know it.

[AngelicMachinery]

I just want to point out the quanari in the destiny trailer is dual wielding therefore he is a rogue. He cannot wear heavy armor.

[Ponchoe]

Xewaka wrote...


Show me a fully armored Qunari and I will concede the new, crispier art style might be better. Until then, the sacrifice of coherency for flashiness is not a sacrifice worth making.

That's your personal taste. Just because there are no "fully armored qunari" doesn't mean the game has suddenly lost artistic taste and style. That's your taste. This is mine.

And I disagree again. It isn't a "loss" in my eyes. It's a gain, it looks better (to me) and feels better (to me), and it was a "sacrifice" worth making. 

Dragon's Age: Origins looked like a complete rip off of Lord of The Rings, and for me, I couldn't stand that at all. It was too similar.

Modifié par Ponchoe, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:03 .

[EclipticOlive54]

Atakuma wrote...

New art direction, new look.

OMG MAKEOVER!

Lol

[Xewaka]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
There we go. You've now exagerated to the point of utter absurdity. The one Qunari has a slightly exposed chest and upper arms. His forearms, stomach, shoulders, and legs are completely covered. Even his chest is partially covered by the large straps going across it.
Under no definition does that get anywhere near "essentialy naked" and you know it.

His head, neck, and torso are completely unprotected; the straps do not seem armored, and the forearm impedes vision to the belt region to see how it's covered. The clothing in the legs looks like fabric, with only a reinforced leather strip and a groin cover that looks very uncomfortable in a fight.
So he has his upper limbs covered, and the whole vital organ region uncovered. How is that not fighting naked?

[Cobrawar]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cobrawar wrote...

Someone said it best they are trying to reinvent the wheel.

We get it Dragon Age two is the worst game ever,  go talk about something you enjoy.  It's a better use of time.

I woudlnt  say its the worst game ever but I would say its a game with rushed art and terrible storytelling.add to the fact that they are trying to appeal to console gamers more and  anyone that bought COD blackops knows how that series is dying. I think bioware is shooting themselves in the foot turning a great series into a dying, stale game while using  cheap gimmicks to get people to play rather then thought provoking character development and storytelling. I beliee we can see DA2 being the next game that will become pirated in the not so distant future.

 Oh yeah forgot to add no toolkit really bad idea

Modifié par Cobrawar, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:09 .

[gethslayer7]

next thing you know oghren will have one

[AngelicMachinery]

Cobrawar wrote...
rather then thought provoking character development and storytelling.

How do you know this?  I can understand your hatred of the new combat style,  I personally like it myself...  but that's just an oppinion.  We really don't know much about the story so far,   or the characters really.  So, please explain.

[magicwins]

Xewaka wrote...

magicwins wrote...
Are you seriously insinuating that those screenies do not look awash with beautiful colours?
Or are you merely more upset that plate armor is not returning?

I didn't even bother with checking the backgrounds. The Qunari in front taking a good third of the screen and fighting essentially naked yanks me away from what the image is trying to communicate, telling me only: "Hey look, were so grittier and bloodier and sexier we don't need armor". When they do. Badly.
Then again, in the "Destiny" trailer, the general got stabbed with the staff side to side (the point comes out on the other side) and he didn't even flinch. So maybe the Qunari actually ARE invulnerable.
Which would be even sillier and more offputting.
Sorry, the art makeover might do wonders for the backgrounds, but the characters (the focus of the story) did NOT benefit from it.

*sigh* People have opinions different from mine. I should have known.


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Modifié par magicwins, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:15 .

[Ponchoe]

Cobrawar wrote...
I woudlnt  say its the worst game ever but I would say its a game with rushed art and terrible storytelling.add to the fact that they are trying to appeal to console gamers more and  anyone that bought COD blackops knows how that series is dying. I think bioware is shooting themselves in the foot turning a great series into a dying, stale game while using  cheap gimmicks to get people to play rather then thought provoking character development and storytelling. I beliee we can see DA2 being the next game that will become pirated in the not so distant future.

 Oh yeah forgot to add no toolkit really bad idea

How would you know that the game has bad story telling...when you haven't even played it? All we've seen are snippets of the game from footage hardly less than 10 minutes long each...not even...

[Jimmy Fury]

Xewaka wrote...
His head, neck, and torso are completely unprotected; the straps do not seem armored, and the forearm impedes vision to the belt region to see how it's covered. The clothing in the legs looks like fabric, with only a reinforced leather strip and a groin cover that looks very uncomfortable in a fight.
So he has his upper limbs covered, and the whole vital organ region uncovered. How is that not fighting naked?

It's not naked because it's clothing. He's clothed. He's more clothed than Morrigan was when you first met her. He's more clothed than Dalish Females.  He's wearing pants for crying out loud. That's the definition of not naked.

You seem to assume he's a warrior. You are therefore ticked off that a warrior is not wearing armor. Nothing anywhere ever said that Qunari was a warrior. Nothing. Period.
You decided that  so you would have something to complain about. Like I said, you've crossed the line from reasonable debate into absurd complaining for the sake of complaining.

Off to watch The Expendables now 

[The Elder King]

I could understand why people complain about the art style, but whe don't know nothing about the storytelling. All we know is that there will be "A framed narrative story", about the story and the plot of DA2 we don't know quite nothing, except the first 10 minutes.
Man, I don't know that the game will be 10min long. Thank you all for telling me, now I won't bouying the gamE!

[Xewaka]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
It's not naked because it's clothing. He's clothed. He's more clothed than Morrigan was when you first met her. He's more clothed than Dalish Females.  He's wearing pants for crying out loud. That's the definition of not naked.

He's armed and amidst a melee fight. Not wearing any sensible armor. That's as good as naked. 

Jimmy Fury wrote...
You seem to assume he's a warrior. You are therefore ticked off that a warrior is not wearing armor. Nothing anywhere ever said that Qunari was a warrior. Nothing. Period.
You decided that  so you would have something to complain about. Like I said, you've crossed the line from reasonable debate into absurd complaining for the sake of complaining.

I'd say the fact that he's holding two heavy weapons in a defensive position and that he has a proper, trained grip on them indicates that he's a warrior. Not as in gameplay class, but as in profession. This is called deductive reasoning.
I used it as an example of my gripes with the new art style, which seems too fond of removing common sense from its shown subjects.

Enjoy the film.

Modifié par Xewaka, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:23 .

[Maria Caliban]

Or that he's a rogue as rogues have DW.

Xewaka wrote...
Not as in gameplay class, but as in profession.

His profession is Arishok. We have no idea how often he's expected to fight on the front lines. He appears to have a retinue of bodyguards around him.

That and it's always difficult to separate gameplay and setting.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 05 janvier 2011 - 08:26 .

[Xewaka]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Or that he's a rogue as rogues have DW.

If we're going that route, rogues cannot equip axes or heavy blades, only daggers and short swords. So he's not a rogue either.
That's why I pointed out "warrior as in profession, not game class". NPCs have their own rules.

[AngelicMachinery]

Xewaka wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Or that he's a rogue as rogues have DW.

If we're going that route, rogues cannot equip axes or heavy blades, only daggers and short swords. So he's not a rogue either.
That's why I pointed out "warrior as in profession, not game class". NPCs have their own rules.

His specilization is bad ass quanari,   which allows him to weild whatever the hell he wants.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

god i hate this whole assumption *insert bad word here* seriously now i understand why bioware doesnt release that much info you assume the worst and take everything out of context



pro tip: dont judge a book by its cover or you will fail at life



and i like the new artstyle and what can i say im an optimistic person

[addiction21]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

and i like the new artstyle and what can i say im an optimistic person

That means I can say your a child with ADD/ADHD who was dropped multiple times as an infant... just saving some of the other posters some time from needing to say it. No offense intended.

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...But are they awakened darkspawn? Considering they share the same coif as the Awakened ones in Awakening? Obviously not, but it doesn't help that BioWare lifted that visual cue from Awakening.

I just want to point out this is a dramatic inconsistency and problem with Awakening. The awakening darkspawn are not supposed to change physically. No more so than the Wardens change physically after the joining. The artists just designed a new darkspawn model for the disciples so they didn't look like generic mooks.

[In Exile]

Xewaka wrote...

I remember they had to gut Sten's horns due to problems with helmets. However, I don't remember any reference to horned Qunari in the codex in Origins.

Early in following DA, when thedas was still an acronym and the qunari were themor (the mysterious other race) and were part of the four race choices for origins, we thought they were lizard people, because they had tails.

The qunari went a lot of work in design.

[In Exile]

Xewaka wrote...
Then again, in the "Destiny" trailer, the general got stabbed with the staff side to side (the point comes out on the other side) and he didn't even flinch. So maybe the Qunari actually ARE invulnerable.
Which would be even sillier and more offputting.
Sorry, the art makeover might do wonders for the backgrounds, but the characters (the focus of the story) did NOT benefit from it.

In DA:O, people were set on fire or frozen solid and shrugged it off. They were repeatedly hit with swords, thrown around, crushed in the arms of a beast we saw crush a crowm man, then crushed beneath the mouth of a dragon... and come out with not even a bruise.

RPGs are unrealistic. The armour in DA:O was absurd and unrealistic in how protective in was. Hell, naked skin being set on fire didn't mean immediate death if you stripped your characters naked.

[NKKKK]

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Changing a character's looks so drastically with no way of using cosmetic make up as an excuse?

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Changing an enemy's look so he'll break the lore established in an earlier written novel?

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Changing the physiology of not one, not two, BUT THREE OF YOUR RACES.



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[Eorion_Moonwing]

NKKKK wrote...

Changing the physiology of not one, not two, BUT THREE OF YOUR RACES.

CALL NOW.

Maybe I missed something but as far as I know only Qunari physiology was altered. Elves was changed  very slightly to look more like another species and not some human race with strange ear mutation.
I didn't notice any changes in the dwarfs at all to be honest, exept new,run animation that is not human one.   

Modifié par Eorion_Moonwing, 05 janvier 2011 - 10:34 .

[TheRevanchist]

NKKKK wrote...

NEW ART DIRECTION, ANSWERING ALL YOUR RETCON QUESTIONS SINCE 2010,

"WTF HAPPENED TO MY GAME?" Are you a dev and are tired of being asked this question, boy do I have the answer to you.

NEW ARE DIRECTION.

Changing a character's looks so drastically with no way of using cosmetic make up as an excuse?
NEW ART DIRECTION.

Changing an enemy's look so he'll break the lore established in an earlier written novel?
NEW ART DIRECTION

Changing the physiology of not one, not two, BUT THREE OF YOUR RACES.

NEW ART DIRECTION

NEW ART DIRECTION, NOW AVAILABLE TO ANY SNAPPY DEV, SPECIAL PRE-ORDER AVAILABLE.

CALL NOW.

Whew...that comment simply drips with acid...

[The Elder King]

NKKKK wrote...

Changing the physiology of not one, not two, BUT THREE OF YOUR RACES.

NEW ART DIRECTION

NEW ART DIRECTION, NOW AVAILABLE TO ANY SNAPPY DEV, SPECIAL PRE-ORDER AVAILABLE.

CALL NOW.

sorry, I don't know that qunari, elves and dwarves are YOUR races.
From what I see about Varric and Fenris, they don't look so altered. Oh wait, now male dwarf can have a pleaseant face withouth the need of a beard, I understand....Fenris looks like an elf to me.