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[Atakuma]

Cobrawar wrote...

story > art. The writing sucks the game will suck

I liked fallout 3, and it had bad story and art.

[Chaia]

Cobrawar wrote...

story > art. The writing sucks the game will suck

Along with lots of other twaddle, you've said this before, but I still fail to see how the visual change of the game has anything to do with the writing abilties of David Gaider and his team.

[Bryy_Miller]

... I like Flemeth's "new" look.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 03 janvier 2011 - 07:52 .

[magicwins]

YoziMaiden wrote...

She might be an old lady... but... come on you have to admit there's still some sex appeal. Not to mention it looks like she has the body of an young twenty something.

LOL They all have the body of young twenty somethings . Ever seen Wynne minus clothes? Same body model. Kinda unnerving.

Flemeth is more likely to actually be twenty (what with the grab-new-body tactics and all) but I still expect to see old women with perfect figures and no signs of age whatsoever.

Modifié par magicwins, 03 janvier 2011 - 08:00 .

[YoziMaiden]

magicwins wrote...

YoziMaiden wrote...

She might be an old lady... but... come on you have to admit there's still some sex appeal. Not to mention it looks like she has the body of an young twenty something.

LOL They all have the body of young twenty somethings . Ever seen Wynne minus clothes? Same body model. Kinda unnerving.

Flemeth is more likely to actually be twenty (what with the grab-new-body tactics and all) but I still expect to see old women with perfect figures and no signs of age whatsoever.

Shush your ruining it for me...  

[wulfsturm]

YoziMaiden wrote...

Shush your ruining it for me...  

Flemeth romance?



Oh yeah.

[YoziMaiden]

wulfsturm wrote...

YoziMaiden wrote...

Shush your ruining it for me...  

Flemeth romance?



Oh yeah.

This would make me extremely happy! 

I... may have problems.

[wulfsturm]

YoziMaiden wrote...

This would make me extremely happy! 

I... may have problems.

You and I both, I wonder if BioWare has any psychologists on their team.

I'm not crazy! I'm not crazy!

[Ponchoe]

I'm pretty sure after you hand in Flemeth's Grimoire Morrigan makes some comment about how Flemeth will certainly "be back again in the future" or something like that.

[YoziMaiden]

wulfsturm wrote...

YoziMaiden wrote...

This would make me extremely happy! 

I... may have problems.

You and I both, I wonder if BioWare has any psychologists on their team.

I'm not crazy! I'm not crazy!

:happy:

[RosaAquafire]

I, too, hate it when things that look bad are redesigned to look better. I personally am literally incapable of recognizing these creatures as Darkspawn, and upon being told that they were, I fainted dead away in shock and distress.

What have you done, Bioware.

I also demand that ladies continue to walk like weird apes. It destroys my immersion and is a clear retcon of established lore when Morrigan doesn't lumber around like a skinny, hot primate.

[wulfsturm]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I, too, hate it when things that look bad are redesigned to look better. I personally am literally incapable of recognizing these creatures as Darkspawn, and upon being told that they were, I fainted dead away in shock and distress.
What have you done, Bioware.
I also demand that ladies continue to walk like weird apes. It destroys my immersion and is a clear retcon of established lore when Morrigan doesn't lumber around like a skinny, hot primate.

What you did there, I see it.

[Blacklash93]

Flemeth's new appearance isn't so odd. She is a shapeshifter. But there definitely are some issues, though.

I read The Calling and there were quite a few inconsistencies in the details of many areas compared to how they looked in the actual game. The Circle Tower and Deep Roads were described especially differently.

The Architect was also supposed to look like a Disciple, more like a regular Hurlock. Actually, pretty much everything about the Architect was retconned in Awakening besides his development with Utha.

There's obviously little respect for visual continuity but that's just something we're going to have to accept. Gaider's comments make that quite clear.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:26 .

[ankuu]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Flemeth's new appearance isn't so odd. She is a shapeshifter. But there definitely are some issues, though.

I read The Calling and there were quite a few inconsistencies in the details of many areas compared to how they looked in the actual game. The Circle Tower and Deep Roads were described especially differently.

The Architect was also supposed to look like a Disciple, more like a regular Hurlock. Actually, pretty much everything about the Architect was retconned in Awakening besides Utha.

There's obviously little respect for visual continuity but that's just something we're going to have to accept. Gaider's comments make that quite clear.

Utha should have looked different as well. As far as i remember her hair fell off...

[Blacklash93]

And she fought with her hands as a Silent Sister in the book. She uses a sword and shield in Awakening.

[David Gaider]

Blacklash93 wrote...
There's obviously little respect for visual continuity but that's just something we're going to have to accept. Gaider's comments make that quite clear.

I think, from my perspective, the entire visual element of the game has been re-envisioned... and you want to tell me that the darkspawn teeth are where it breaks down for you? Really? Did someone fail to notice that the entire look of the rest of the game has also changed?

In that context, I don't mind that many things look different if all the changes are made at once. Barring another shift in the game's visual style I really doubt we'd be changing it again. And, really, so long as you can tell that a darkspawn is a darkspawn and a qunari is a qunari I don't see the big deal... especially if it makes things look better on the whole, which I think they do. Flemeth in particular looks awesome.

If someone wants to throw up a strawman that this means we'll have darkspawn using laser guns and suddenly nothing in the world makes any sense at all... well, knock yourself out. I think they're missing the forest for the trees, but that's hardly news around these parts.

[Gill Kaiser]

One thing I wonder is why the Qunari skincolour was changed. It was emphasised pretty strongly in the lore that the Qunari are bronze-skinned, but now they're grey. I can understand the rest of the changes, but why not keep the Qunari at least a little bit bronze? Like brownish-grey?

[magicwins]

Do tell: Why? Why the complete redesign? What are you seeking to achieve with this art style that you could not with the first?



Just curious.

[SufferingTormentDarkness]

magicwins wrote...

Do tell: Why? Why the complete redesign? What are you seeking to achieve with this art style that you could not with the first?

Just curious.

They wanted top attract the fun loving World of Failcraft crowd

[MerinTB]

Geez, people -



think of comics books and different artists. Because George Perez, Alex Ross and Michael Turner all have different styles doesn't mean that when each of them drew Superman that it was a "different" Superman.



That's a writer thing.



And the DA2 writing corral is pretty much the DA:O bunch of people... so, really...



This isn't even as bad as a tv show or movie series that needs to replace one actor or actress for whatever reason.

[marshalleck]

David Gaider wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
There's obviously little respect for visual continuity but that's just something we're going to have to accept. Gaider's comments make that quite clear.

I think, from my perspective, the entire visual element of the game has been re-envisioned... and you want to tell me that the darkspawn teeth are where it breaks down for you? Really? Did someone fail to notice that the entire look of the rest of the game has also changed?

In that context, I don't mind that many things look different if all the changes are made at once. Barring another shift in the game's visual style I really doubt we'd be changing it again. And, really, so long as you can tell that a darkspawn is a darkspawn and a qunari is a qunari I don't see the big deal... especially if it makes things look better on the whole, which I think they do. Flemeth in particular looks awesome.

If someone wants to throw up a strawman that this means we'll have darkspawn using laser guns and suddenly nothing in the world makes any sense at all... well, knock yourself out. I think they're missing the forest for the trees, but that's hardly news around these parts.

I really enjoy your posts. That is all I have to add to this.

[David Gaider]

magicwins wrote...
Do tell: Why? Why the complete redesign? What are you seeking to achieve with this art style that you could not with the first?

Just curious.

We... think it looks better than the visuals in DAO?

Is that not obvious? I get that, in the absence of actually playing the game you might have already decided you don't agree, but I find this level of obtuseness a little baffling.

[magicwins]

David Gaider wrote...

magicwins wrote...
Do tell: Why? Why the complete redesign? What are you seeking to achieve with this art style that you could not with the first?

Just curious.

We... think it looks better than the visuals in DAO?

Is that not obvious? I get that, in the absence of actually playing the game you might have already decided you don't agree, but I find this level of obtuseness a little baffling.

Well, it takes a lot of effort. And time. And money. I don't see the need for a complete redesign myself. I was very happy with DAO's visuals on the PC, and honestly, yes, the pictures released so far make me believe DAO looks better than DA2. Previews say otherwise, so I guess I'll just wait and watch. I don't see an overwhelming need to revamp everything though, not unless you had severe issues with the last scheme.

[testing123]

David Gaider wrote...
we'll have darkspawn using laser guns

Someone get that thrown up on the sticky.

Modifié par jvee, 03 janvier 2011 - 09:50 .

[SufferingTormentDarkness]

jvee wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
we'll have darkspawn using laser guns

Someone get that thrown up on the sticky.

lol