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[PSUHammer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Not everyone thinks in-game romances are the be-all and end-all of BioWare games, and not everyone believes that this forum constitutes the totality of the "hype-generating" for Dragon Age II. That's all I'm saying besides "please relax" and it's okay to disagree with Chris, just don't freak out about it.

so let me get this straight....you and/or Bioware at large do not see anythinng wrong with this kind of comment made to the public by someone in your own company who is supposed to work in a field similar to PR/CR?

I mean Stanley, I may have had friction with you are Chris in the past about purely conceptual arguments and all but professionally speaking that was just wrong.

Are you serious?  

[andar91]

crimzontearz wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...





Not everyone thinks in-game romances are the be-all and end-all of BioWare games, and not everyone believes that this forum constitutes the totality of the "hype-generating" for Dragon Age II. That's all I'm saying besides "please relax" and it's okay to disagree with Chris, just don't freak out about it.

so let me get this straight....you and/or Bioware at large do not see anythinng wrong with this kind of comment made to the public by someone in your own company who is supposed to work in a field similar to PR/CR?





I mean Stanley, I may have had friction with you are Chris in the past about purely conceptual arguments and all but professionally speaking that was just wrong.

It's just Chris' opinion, which he's said many times before.  It's not like he's spouting off at a press conference or on a video interview about how terrible romances are.  We and the other consumers are generally smart enough to tell the difference between a marketing strategy and someone's opinion.

[TJPags]

Milana_Saros wrote...

TJPags wrote...

wouldn't it be interesting to perhaps have pregnancies result from the romances? We do have 10 years, after all.

Now I'm having a hard time understanding these comments...Do FemSheps/FemHawks simply not excist for some people? I personally can't imagine my FemHawk swinging a sword 8 months pregnant. Not to even talk about FemShep. "Blah blah blah but it could happen during a phase shift blah blah blah" Yeah I know, doesn't make it any more rational tbh. I didn't even know about the whole Aerie's pregnancy thing in Throne of Bhaal but after a friend told me about it, I checked it out and honestly? Just reading about it online fealt incredibly stupid. Think about the poor kids for starters...

If romances are going to remain a solid feature in Bioware games of the future then I would also like to see some development in that aspect, like party members taking note of the romance more. Even if I wasn't a fan of Alistair becoming king and me ruling beside him through marriage, it was a refreshing change to the non-romance-reacting gameworld. I like the fact that the LI is someone, not just some dude I picked up cos' he was offered as a party member.

But marriage and kids and whatnot? Sure, maybe in epilogues if you get to talk about and "decide" about stuff like that in romance sub-plot dialogue (aka Origins) but ongoing during the actual game? No thanks. These games still aren't dating sims. I also don't feel comfortable about letting people bring a child into a war riddled gaming universe...

Which part of the comment do you not understand?  The part about a potentially 10 year long sexual relationship resulting in a pregnancy?  Or the part about wanting to see more out of a romance then "hi, I admire you . . let's sleep together . . great we're a couple now"?

I'll assume the former, since that's the prt you quoted.

Tell me, is that so "out there" of a concept?  People have sex, and someone might get pregnant?  Wouldn't matter to me if it was FemHawke getting pregnant or MaleHawke's LI.  It happens both ways, you know.

Now, I don't remember details of Throne of Bhaal - it was, like, 10 or so years ago? - but again, people having sex get pregnant.  It is a consequence of the action, and consequences to romances is what we - or at least, I - and talking about.

FemHawke is 8 months pregnant?  Well, maybe that needs to be factored into the decision of whether to fight someone or try to talk and make a deal with them.  Maybe MaleHawke is more cautious, since he now has a new child.

I suppose, if your happy with character interaction that essentially ends or stagnates once they have sex, that's your choice.  But if I'm going to play a game that takes place over a 10 year span, I'd like to have some interaction with my LI - assuming I choose to partake in any of the romance options - after we have sex, beyond having them say "your so attentive" when I click on them.  And some consequence to choosing to pursue that romance would be nice.

Or not, I suppose.

[Reidbynature]

Milana_Saros wrote...

TJPags wrote...

wouldn't it be interesting to perhaps have pregnancies result from the romances? We do have 10 years, after all.

Now I'm having a hard time understanding these comments...Do FemSheps/FemHawks simply not excist for some people? I personally can't imagine my FemHawk swinging a sword 8 months pregnant. Not to even talk about FemShep. "Blah blah blah but it could happen during a phase shift blah blah blah" Yeah I know, doesn't make it any more rational tbh. I didn't even know about the whole Aerie's pregnancy thing in Throne of Bhaal but after a friend told me about it, I checked it out and honestly? Just reading about it online fealt incredibly stupid. Think about the poor kids for starters...

If romances are going to remain a solid feature in Bioware games of the future then I would also like to see some development in that aspect, like party members taking note of the romance more. Even if I wasn't a fan of Alistair becoming king and me ruling beside him through marriage, it was a refreshing change to the non-romance-reacting gameworld. I like the fact that the LI is someone, not just some dude I picked up cos' he was offered as a party member.

But marriage and kids and whatnot? Sure, maybe in epilogues if you get to talk about and "decide" about stuff like that in romance sub-plot dialogue (aka Origins) but ongoing during the actual game? No thanks. These games still aren't dating sims. I also don't feel comfortable about letting people bring a child into a war riddled gaming universe...

Did anyone specify what gender the pc had to be?  Maybe it would be more interesting if it was Hawke getting knocked up.  I'm not so sure about just leaving people getting married or having children to the epilogue.  That's been done to death and there's nothing wrong with thinking outside the box for solutions to features people didn't exactly rate that well.

Hammer6767 wrote...

You mean as new and refreshing as another thread on romances?  

Ooh, where!?  Tell me.... aw you just meant in general.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 04 janvier 2011 - 10:41 .

[Maria Caliban]

I assume if there was a possible pregnancy for FemHawke, they'd just skip over the 'pregnant' part and go from conception to two-year-old baby Hawke.

Given that you're becoming the Champion, it's not that odd to think that you'd have a wet nurse and nannies for the kid. Even if you were to fall in battle, there's always Ma Hawke and your bother or sister who'd probably raise your child.

[Milana_Saros]

TJPags wrote...

but again, people having sex get pregnant.

You seriously think you have to tell that to a grown woman over and over again just because I don't happen to agree with the fact that making this LI stuff escalate to "let's make babies level" is a good idea? Makes you look incredibly childish tbh.

The whole discussion in this thread has been about people making LI's into a WAY too big of a deal. I specificly said that I want to see more interaction in the LI department IF they decide to keep LIs in the games. This however does not immediately mean creating Fable Goes DA.

I'm horribly totally truly very sorry that I disagree with you on this matter. However, I'm perfectly entitled to it. Rage all you want and indulge me in how the human reproduction happens. I expressed my opinion and now I'm off to gulp down my birthcontrol pill, if it's OK with you.

[TJPags]

Milana_Saros wrote...

TJPags wrote...

but again, people having sex get pregnant.

You seriously think you have to tell that to a grown woman over and over again just because I don't happen to agree with the fact that making this LI stuff escalate to "let's make babies level" is a good idea? Makes you look incredibly childish tbh.

The whole discussion in this thread has been about people making LI's into a WAY too big of a deal. I specificly said that I want to see more interaction in the LI department IF they decide to keep LIs in the games. This however does not immediately mean creating Fable Goes DA.

I'm horribly totally truly very sorry that I disagree with you on this matter. However, I'm perfectly entitled to it. Rage all you want and indulge me in how the human reproduction happens. I expressed my opinion and now I'm off to gulp down my birthcontrol pill, if it's OK with you.

Gulp whatever you like.  Matters not to me.

You'll notice that I didn't put that in this thread - someone took it from another thread, and put it in here (and no, I don't mind that they did, it's more appropriate for this thread than the one I originally posted it in).  Yet you quoted me, and expressed your feeling that somehow, I was disregarding the possibility of FemHawke.  How you got that, I have no idea.

You then mentioned you don't see how it's rational.  I attempted to explain why I thought it was rational. 

You also mentioned you don't think it's smart to being children into a war torn world.  I happen to agree.  But, you know, it does bring a touch of realism if you have to decide between that romance, or possibly having a child in the middle of a war.  IMO, anyway.

You now act as if I was insulting you with my reply, and then call me childish.  So be it.  You need not agree with me at all. 

I think it would add a touch of realism to the romance, and take it out of the childish "let's get my LI into the sack so I can get my achievement!!!" arena.  I also think it would add something at the back end of the relationship, the post-sex phase, which was, IMO, sadly lacking in Origins.  Try not to take my opinion so personally. 

[Bryy_Miller]

andar91 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...





Not everyone thinks in-game romances are the be-all and end-all of BioWare games, and not everyone believes that this forum constitutes the totality of the "hype-generating" for Dragon Age II. That's all I'm saying besides "please relax" and it's okay to disagree with Chris, just don't freak out about it.

so let me get this straight....you and/or Bioware at large do not see anythinng wrong with this kind of comment made to the public by someone in your own company who is supposed to work in a field similar to PR/CR?





I mean Stanley, I may have had friction with you are Chris in the past about purely conceptual arguments and all but professionally speaking that was just wrong.

It's just Chris' opinion, which he's said many times before.  It's not like he's spouting off at a press conference or on a video interview about how terrible romances are.  We and the other consumers are generally smart enough to tell the difference between a marketing strategy and someone's opinion.

Exactly. If he had been more vague, or even left out "I don't think", then maybe there's an argument here. But not everything that a dev says in any media outlet is a representative of the company as a whole.

[standardpack]

Chris Priestly wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

This just in...Priestly hates romance subplots!

Yes, I do and have said this before.

Warden: "Man... I sure have to go out of my way just to recruit all these people to help fight a battle that threatens to KILL all of them..."

Chris: "Your telling me, I hope we don't run across any intrusive romance subplot while we're at it."

Morrigan/Leliana/Zevran/Alistair: "Did somebody say intrusive romance subplot?"

Chris: "Aw, Crap!"

[ankuu]

standardpack wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

This just in...Priestly hates romance subplots!

Yes, I do and have said this before.

Warden: "Man... I sure have to go out of my way just to recruit all these people to help fight a battle that threatens to KILL all of them..."

Chris: "Your telling me, I hope we don't run across any intrusive romance subplot while we're at it."

Morrigan/Leliana/Zevran/Alistair: "Did somebody say intrusive romance subplot?"

Chris: "Aw, Crap!"

Chris for companion!

[Chris Priestly]

Remember a couple of things:
1 - This is my opinion. I don't like romance subplots in games. I also don't like liver & onions or golf. This doesn't mean that romance subplots, liver or golf aren't great and highly enjoyable for those who like them, merely that I do not like them.
2 - As I said, my opinion on romance subplots doesn't affect whether or not they exist in any of our games. Despite my repeated attempts at hostile takeovers, I am not king of BioWare and we have much more sensible people who decide this sort of thing..
3 - Romances are, as I said, an excellent feature for those who enjoy playing them. While I do not like them, I do think that we do the best romance plots in the industry. And for me, the best feature of our romances is that they are optional. Since I don't like them, I can choose to avoid them while those who do enjoy them can play them out. This way, we both win.
4 - To all those who say "Wow Priestly, you're the marketing voice. How can you say that?" I have always tried to treat our Community as the intelligent individuals you all pretend to be. I admit the thread was likely not the best place for me to spout off, so to Dasher1010 who's thread I took completely off topic, I am sorry and will ban myself accordingly.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Chris Priestly wrote...

and will ban myself accordingly.

I don't like the resolution to this romance.  We need mod tools in here stat.

[Dhiro]

It's hard to tell you're not being mean when I have to stare at this little devil of yours, Spoony Chris. I shall call him Bob. A-ny-way, thank you for being honest, at least.

[FieryDove]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Remember a couple of things:
1 - This is my opinion. I don't like romance subplots in games. I also don't like liver & onions or golf. This doesn't mean that romance subplots, liver or golf aren't great and highly enjoyable for those who like them, merely that I do not like them.
2 - As I said, my opinion on romance subplots doesn't affect whether or not they exist in any of our games. Despite my repeated attempts at hostile takeovers, I am not king of BioWare and we have much more sensible people who decide this sort of thing..
3 - Romances are, as I said, an excellent feature for those who enjoy playing them. While I do not like them, I do think that we do the best romance plots in the industry. And for me, the best feature of our romances is that they are optional. Since I don't like them, I can choose to avoid them while those who do enjoy them can play them out. This way, we both win.
4 - To all those who say "Wow Priestly, you're the marketing voice. How can you say that?" I have always tried to treat our Community as the intelligent individuals you all pretend to be. I admit the thread was likely not the best place for me to spout off, so to Dasher1010 who's thread I took completely off topic, I am sorry and will ban myself accordingly.

No, No.

A more fitting punishment would be to say such in a talimancer thread.

[Dhiro]

Nope, I think we should lock Spoony Chris in Varric's thread. Or Alistair's thread.

[Bryy_Miller]

All hail Drunk Alistair. May his reign be long and just.

[crimzontearz]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Exactly. If he had been more vague, or even left out "I don't think", then maybe there's an argument here. But not everything that a dev says in any media outlet is a representative of the company as a whole.

again.......if I had said something along those lines about my company's product and/or about my company's clients to or infront of our clients I'd either been written up or given a final. Ridiculous to some perhaps but true. 

[Reidbynature]

I don't see how femHawke having a kid in the middle of a war is all that bad.  It would be more interesting and unique to this sort of game.  People do have babies during wars in not only fiction, but real life.  I think it would be impossible to depict femHawke heavily pregnant, but before and after could make for an interesting story.  It is a RPG, it can't all be but we've got to get the magic sword/kill the dark lord/save the damsel etc.

[AngelicMachinery]

I'm all for Lady Hawke having a kid. I think it would be a great thing to use to hold over her head to keep her compliant though I think the kid would work much better as a plot point instead of an actual character.

[Maria Caliban]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Lets be honest here people, romances are sappy. And the only reason we like em is cause they boil down to sex.

Sappy is wonderful and everything boils down to sex, money, or my hatred of humanity.

[Reidbynature]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Lets be honest here people, romances are sappy. And the only reason we like em is cause they boil down to sex.

Now it just feels like I'm being stalked.

[AngelicMachinery]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Lets be honest here people, romances are sappy. And the only reason we like em is cause they boil down to sex.

I like sap...  I like sap a lot it makes me feel good.

I also do not mind the sex either,  but you don't need to minimize the dawwwwwwwwwwness of sap.

[TJPags]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I'm all for Lady Hawke having a kid. I think it would be a great thing to use to hold over her head to keep her compliant though I think the kid would work much better as a plot point instead of an actual character.

Exactly.  In a story that takes place over 10 years, it's a plot device.

[Beerfish]

Mind boggling that people who work for game companies are constantly being challegned for toeing the company line, lieing, not telling the truth, hiding facts blah blah blah. Then on one issue at one time an employee merely states he doesn't prefer the romance part of games and people are tossing mud at him? Astounding.



Just one more bit of proof that you absolutely can't win when dealing with a large communtiy and one more reason that the BioWare community guys and employees that come on the forums to talk about the game deserve freaking medals.