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This thread took a bit of a turn! The sheer amount of romance threads does get annoying! But at the same time its fun to speculate about things we don't know much about, and at the moment romances and companions appears to the area we have the smallest amount of info about so its the most fun to guess about. I know there is a release plan but until then I think the speculation is here to stay for better or worse!

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I can see where Chris is coming from, people gush and make large fan threads for characters we know next to nothing about, some we have not seen deliver even a single line of dialogue, but they have huge fan threads and romance threads. I am actually a fan of bioware romance plots but they get out of hand on the boards, particuarly when the game hasnt even been released yet. What if the character with a 200 page fan/romance thread turns out to be a total jerk who constantly belittles Hawke and could even betray her half way through the game. Its just really excessive sometimes.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

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I know I'm not the best informed member of this forum but I'm pretty sure that not all of those are confirmed companions. Would anyone care to enlighten me?


This.

Honestly, I am getting really tired of all these romance threads. You DO NOT know who the companions are yet let alone whether they are romances. Romances are one small optional feature for those who choose to persue them. Yet they get an inordinant amount of time and discussion space. When we have new people coming here to learn whether DA2 is a game they would be interested in and they see so many romance threads "Is X character a romance, are there s/s romances, I hope I can X romance, what happened to my DAo romance, etc" it actually starts to harm the sales of the game (for those who are looking for an action game, RPG or story based game and not a romance sim).

Yes, there is nothing against the rules about romance threads. I won't stop them or anything (within the usual rules, etc). Still.... it makes me tired.



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Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to the fan base though.

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Sharn01 wrote...

I can see where Chris is coming from, people gush and make large fan threads for characters we know next to nothing about, some we have not seen deliver even a single line of dialogue, but they have huge fan threads and romance threads. I am actually a fan of bioware romance plots but they get out of hand on the boards, particuarly when the game hasnt even been released yet. What if the character with a 200 page fan/romance thread turns out to be a total jerk who constantly belittles Hawke and could even betray her half way through the game. Its just really excessive sometimes.


I truly do hope Fenris turns out just like this.  Seriously,  he's an effeminante gray haired guy.  He has to be evil,  it's in the rule book somewhere.

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YoziMaiden wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I can see where Chris is coming from, people gush and make large fan threads for characters we know next to nothing about, some we have not seen deliver even a single line of dialogue, but they have huge fan threads and romance threads. I am actually a fan of bioware romance plots but they get out of hand on the boards, particuarly when the game hasnt even been released yet. What if the character with a 200 page fan/romance thread turns out to be a total jerk who constantly belittles Hawke and could even betray her half way through the game. Its just really excessive sometimes.


I truly do hope Fenris turns out just like this.  Seriously,  he's an effeminante gray haired guy.  He has to be evil,  it's in the rule book somewhere.

Posted ImagePosted ImageWhy do you think Fenris is effeminate?  If anything, he sounds like he's going to be all serious, brood-ey, and possible bloodthirsty.  Reminds me a little bit of Valen from Hordes of the Underdark.  And if that's true, that'll  be awesome, because I loved Valen.

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andar91 wrote...

Posted ImagePosted ImageWhy do you think Fenris is effeminate?


He is an elf?

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I'm talking appearance wise not personality, I really have no idea what the character will act like. Not that I really have a problem with this, I like pretty boys and handsome girls (You go Aveline). It's just in my mind, he is more beautiful then handsome.

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YoziMaiden wrote...

I'm talking appearance wise not personality, I really have no idea what the character will act like. Not that I really have a problem with this, I like pretty boys and handsome girls (You go Aveline). It's just in my mind, he is more beautiful then handsome.

Posted ImagePosted ImageThis I can see.  It's funny; I don't care for my men effeminate, but I like it when they're pretty.  So I can see what you're saying.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Posted ImagePosted ImageWhy do you think Fenris is effeminate?


He is an elf?

Concise and to the point.

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I was rather surprised that Fenris looks masculine. If he was wearing non-feathered armor and didn't have elf ears, I can't say that he would look at all feminine to me. He had a big nose, and a pretty strong jaw.

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Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)




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kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)




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Thanks, I needed that clarification, lol!Posted Image

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Really? I find that difficult to believe. I guess you have the data, though.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of *the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)


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*citation needed

No but seriously you guys do keep data on that sort of stuff right? I mean in ME2 we knew how many people played which class etc.  How many people engage in romances?  Which one is most popular? etc. etc.  Prove your claim, what's good for the goose....

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Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)




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the statistics saying that are evil. they do it only so the AIs can start controling our minds better... be aware.

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makenzieshepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of *the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)


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*citation needed

No but seriously you guys do keep data on that sort of stuff right? I mean in ME2 we knew how many people played which class etc.  How many people engage in romances?  Which one is most popular? etc. etc.  Prove your claim, what's good for the goose....




How will you prove that? Just because people play a romance it doesn't mean it is important to them. They could just do it because it is there.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Posted ImagePosted ImageWhy do you think Fenris is effeminate?


He is an elf?

Probably why I shouldn't ever take to writing, but I'd be so tempted to beat tropes like that to death.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)




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I can believe this, I've always thought the forum fan was a different kind of monster than the average fan.  Sort of like when dealing with character sex, polls usually show a closer split between male and female characters than the ME2 data showed.  Wasn't it like 82% played male shepard's or am I misremembering?

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makenzieshepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of *the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. ;)


:devil:


*citation needed

No but seriously you guys do keep data on that sort of stuff right? I mean in ME2 we knew how many people played which class etc.  How many people engage in romances?  Which one is most popular? etc. etc.  Prove your claim, what's good for the goose....



they dont keep data they know it because they placed cameras in our showers to check how many people sang about romances....
seriously, he cant show that. those datas are kept for internal purposes only and arent given out to the masses (as far as i know)...

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Negix wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
*citation needed

No but seriously you guys do keep data on that sort of stuff right? I mean in ME2 we knew how many people played which class etc.  How many people engage in romances?  Which one is most popular? etc. etc.  Prove your claim, what's good for the goose....

they dont keep data they know it because they placed cameras in our showers to check how many people sang about romances....
seriously, he cant show that. those datas are kept for internal purposes only and arent given out to the masses (as far as i know)...


They gave out at least some of the ME2 stuff.  About 80% of people played the soldier class and over half didn't finish the game IIRC.

Also mostly tweaking him to see the numbers because they are interesting even if they don't prove anything.  Still I wish there was a statistic for getting ninjamanced by one of the romanceables ;)

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:11 .


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Chris Priestly wrote...

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That seems like an odd way of thinking. *snip* I have a lot of respect for BioWare, and for you, Mr Priestly, but this just felt mean.


I didn't mean it to be mean. I view romances as a feature. And with any feature, if it can be done well and included in the game, the better. The more features a game has, the better as long as they work and work well.

However, no other feature takes up so much mindshare on our forums as romances in our games. Yet, it is a relatively small percentage of players who actually play them (yes I do have stats to back up this claim, but no, I am not sharing them). Dragon Age II is a game filled with many awesome features and romances are just one (or, I accept one feature per romance).

I am also not remotely in charge of whether romances should or should not be included in our games (that is done by Mark, Mike, David, etc). If I am asked for fan feedback on romances, I pass along what you all say about them (pro and con) without my own added opinion which is already known by the Dev team. Maybe I shouldn't have said anythign this time, but it seems each time a name comes up or a character is revealed, it starts a romance thread or discussion. And we eventually end up with "Aww... I wanted to romance X" or "I read someplace that I would be able to romance Y, why was this cut" or similar.

Still, as I said, I 'm not stopping it. I just hope that people are smart enough to temper their expectations until they see actual proof. (And yes I am sure YOU are smart enough person reading this, but not everyone is as history has proven each time we release a game.)



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I didnt mean that people only play for the romance either.  I dont, this is the first game (DAO) where I've had the choice.  It does add fun to it.  But the games would be nothing without the storylines, romance or not.  And Bioware's storylines are excellent.Posted Image

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[quote]Negix wrote...

[quote]Chris Priestly wrote...

[quote]kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.[/quote]

Fixed that for you. ;)




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I  weep for the future.  Was chris here for Dragon's Age Origins? DId he check the Romance threads  then?  Can  ANYONE   point me to a "blue"'s equally antagonistic remark from the Pre Dragons Age Origin threads??      Anyone at all?

Yuni :devil:    (giving up the <3 for the new year).

PS  (no offense intended, Please don't ban me  again!!!!!!)  Seriously though, We the fan base  will happily accept whatever you think is best for us.  I know I speak for everyone when I say how grateful  we are to the amount of attention and game changing  we know  you  doing for  us, you are "in the trenches" fighting the good fight..  We feel  about you much  the same as you do about us, and that is just  "the way it is".  (Hug).

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Sharn01 wrote...

I can see where Chris is coming from, people gush and make large fan threads for characters we know next to nothing about, some we have not seen deliver even a single line of dialogue, but they have huge fan threads and romance threads. I am actually a fan of bioware romance plots but they get out of hand on the boards, particuarly when the game hasnt even been released yet. What if the character with a 200 page fan/romance thread turns out to be a total jerk who constantly belittles Hawke and could even betray her half way through the game. Its just really excessive sometimes.


I think it's safe to say that anyone who spends several hours per day for the last several months on a forum for a game that won't be out for several more months, and spends all that time obsessing over the "romantic possibilities" of an NPC they know nothing about... is pretty obviously a crazy weido, especially since those regulars tend to also think they're the majority or the normal player. How out of touch can some "fans" (fanatics) be? Read the Bioware forums and find out!

makenzieshepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of *the fan base though.


Fixed that for you. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]


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*citation needed

No
but seriously you guys do keep data on that sort of stuff right? I mean
in ME2 we knew how many people played which class etc.  How many people
engage in romances?  Which one is most popular? etc. etc.  Prove your
claim, what's good for the goose....




He doesn't have to prove anything to you. Why should he? He's the one working on the game. You're just some maniac with a blowup doll dressed like Tali.

Modifié par Felfenix, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:14 .


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Since Bioware starting keeping tabs on people's play habits, every time the actual data is mentioned, it always seems to confirm my very worst suspicions about the lack of imagination of the average player. Look at Mass Effect 2's data:

Only 18% played female Shepard? With 6 classes to choose from, 63% played Soldier, the class most similar to every other shooter out there? It's bizarre.

I guess this confirms what Chris said, but I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .


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Sorry, Chris, but character interaction and story are the meat of your games and are what make people gravitate towards them. If I wanted only gameplay, I'd play some co-op or, god forbid, MMOs.