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[Maugrim]

Felfenix wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of *the fan base though.

Fixed that for you. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

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*citation needed

No but seriously you guys do keep data on that sort of stuff right? I mean in ME2 we knew how many people played which class etc.  How many people engage in romances?  Which one is most popular? etc. etc.  Prove your
claim, what's good for the goose....

He
doesn't have to prove anything to you. Why should he? He's the one
working on the game. You're just some maniac with a blowup doll dressed
like Tali.

1. You've been reported
2. I've never romanced Tali.
3. Chris Priestly is a big boy.  He doesn't need you to protect him from me.
4.  Wait I can't say this one Chris is active in the thread and will see it.  Just fill in the blanks  _ _ _ _    _ _ _

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:26 .

[Lord Atlia]

YuniSticksitDeep wrote...

Negix wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.

Fixed that for you.

I  weep for the future.  Was chris here for Dragon's Age Origins? DId he check the Romance threads  then?  Can  ANYONE   point me to a "blue"'s equally antagonistic remark from the Pre Dragons Age Origin threads??      Anyone at all?

Yuni     (giving up the <3 for the new year).

PS  (no offense intended, Please don't ban me  again!!!!!!)  Seriously though, We the fan base  will happily accept whatever you think is best for us.  I know I speak for everyone when I say how grateful  we are to the amount of attention and game changing  we know  you  doing for  us, you are "in the trenches" fighting the good fight..  We feel  about you much  the same as you do about us, and that is just  "the way it is".  (Hug).

Nope, Bashiok and rest tend to be silent on the subject of romances in Bioware games.

Modifié par Lord Atlia, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:24 .

[Pwnsaur]

Chris Priestly wrote...
I didn't mean it to be mean. I view romances as a feature. And with any feature, if it can be done well and included in the game, the better. The more features a game has, the better as long as they work and work well.

However, no other feature takes up so much mindshare on our forums as romances in our games. Yet, it is a relatively small percentage of players who actually play them (yes I do have stats to back up this claim, but no, I am not sharing them).

Really? I find it odd that the combined might and wealth of entire political parties' cannot establish a dependable poll but BioWare can determine what percentage of their fans enjoy specific features and to what extent that enjoyment is.. I call bs on this one.. sorry. Also, you're not exactly a reliable source as you are admittedly biased and would be working backwards from that bias. The day 'sex' doesn't sell in America... is the day robots overthrow our government and begin a nationwide communications protocol based on binary code. (i.e. - about 20 years...)

[upsettingshorts]

Bioware literally has metrics that tell them what their players are doing with their games - unless the players specifically opt out of them in the ingame settings or play them on platforms without internet connections.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:27 .

[Liablecocksman]

Felfenix wrote...

I think it's safe to say that anyone who spends several hours per day for the last several months on a forum for a game that won't be out for several more months, and spends all that time obsessing over the "romantic possibilities" of an NPC they know nothing about... is pretty obviously a crazy weido, especially since those regulars tend to also think they're the majority or the normal player. How out of touch can some "fans" (fanatics) be? Read the Bioware forums and find out!

[...]

He doesn't have to prove anything to you. Why should he? He's the one working on the game. You're just some maniac with a blowup doll dressed like Tali.

Indeed.
What can you do, though?
200 pages or more, for each character, and for the possibility of these characters to be potential love-interests. You aren't going to make anyone realise that what they're doing is odd, when they're so incredibly devoted to it.

While I don't think anything is inherently wrong in obsessing over something (we are all, after all, on a forum for a game that wont be out for a couple of months) I, like you, take issue with people when they are (as you very astutely point out) out of touch.
The problem isn't that people want odd things, or odd love-interests, it is when they feel they deserve them, and are therefore entitled to disappointment when the game doesn't specifically cater to their fetish.
Call me old-fashioned, but I don't want the minority screaming, pissing and moaning - not when we are talking games, anyway, and extreme fanboy/girlism. If they sit there nicely, I am sure someone will eventually take pity on them, or not. Maybe they will recieve their Tali-shaped spaceship ******, and maybe they won't. I don't think anyone cares other than themselves, whatever <0.1% of the fans that may be.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bioware literally has metrics
that tell them what their players are doing with their games - unless
the players specifically opt out of them in the ingame settings or play
them on platforms without internet connections.

Where is the overweight gentleman with the moustache!?

makenzieshepard wrote...
4.  Wait I can't say this one Chris is active in the thread and will see it.  Just fill in the blanks  _ _ _ _    _ _ _

Can I guess?
"Love you"?

Modifié par Liablecocksman, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:30 .

[upsettingshorts]

Liable****sman wrote...

Where is the overweight gentleman with the moustache!?

Getting ready for his new season on Parks & Recreation, Jan 20!

But seriously that avatar will be back. 

[ENolan]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Liable****sman wrote...

Where is the overweight gentleman with the moustache!?

Getting ready for his new season on Parks & Recreation, Jan 20!

But seriously that avatar will be back. 

Good to hear! It was already being missed.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Lord Atlia wrote...

I can believe this, I've always thought the forum fan was a different kind of monster than the average fan.  Sort of like when dealing with character sex, polls usually show a closer split between male and female characters than the ME2 data showed.  Wasn't it like 82% played male shepard's or am I misremembering?

82% of the people who didn't disable reporting played Male Sheps.  There's probably a higher percentage of dudes that like to play chicks paranoid enough to want to keep BioWare from knowing.

For the record, I've got two of each.  I like to pretend I'm Princess Shepard.  :mellow:

I'm not kidding actually.  :(

[Sharn01]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bioware literally has metrics that tell them what their players are doing with their games - unless the players specifically opt out of them in the ingame settings or play them on platforms without internet connections.

I am not sure how reliable that info is though, it would not surprise me at all to find out that half the gaming community impulse buys nearly all their games and finishes very few of them.

[Pwnsaur]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bioware literally has metrics that tell them what their players are doing with their games - unless the players specifically opt out of them in the ingame settings or play them on platforms without internet connections.

This isn't a reliable method of determining a players' enjoyment of any specific thing. But, I am happier that I don't play online now... thanks

Modifié par Pwnsaur, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:39 .

[Ziggeh]

Sharn01 wrote...
I am not sure how reliable that info is though, it would not surprise me at all to find out that half the gaming community impulse buys nearly all their games and finishes very few of them.

They have info on who doesn't finish them too.

[upsettingshorts]

Sharn01 wrote...

I am not sure how reliable that info is though, it would not surprise me at all to find out that half the gaming community impulse buys nearly all their games and finishes very few of them.

The metrics - at least the ones they've shared with us - indicate precisely that.  Many many people don't finish either DA or ME2.

Pwnsaur wrote...

This isn't a reliable method of determining a players' enjoyment of any specific thing. 

Enjoyment?  No.  Use?  Yes.

If players simply don't take part in a romance plot, that would be reflected in the data.  So it either means they didn't know it was there, or didn't choose to take part in it.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:40 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I didn't mean it to be mean. I view romances as a feature. And with any feature, if it can be done well and included in the game, the better. The more features a game has, the better as long as they work and work well.

"I view romances as a feature."  I think that might be going into my sig.  :lol:  And while, yes, I very much know what you mean, you must also know that those people that love the romances see them as romances.

[Sharn01]

Yes but those people who impulse buy a game on a whim and never finish it still count against the tally of who participates in what during the course of the game.

[Felfenix]

The metrics say how many people have completed the game. How many people who've completed it, and done the romances. How many people have not completed it, and done the romances. How many times people have done X, Y, Z. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

So, hypothetically, if they saw that only 10% of the people who've completed the game even tried the romances, then it's clear the people on the forum who act like Bioware will be losing a large number of customers without more romances are both wrong and in the minority.

_I_ don't know the percentage, but the people at Bioware do. I wouldn't be surprised if it was that low, as crazy as it sounds. Only like 15% of players have played femshep according to the released ME2 metrics, for example, which I find shocking, and makes me cherish that we even have such minority options.

If the people at Bioware really were the greedy sellouts people accuse them to be, then they would never have bothered creating gay romances, or any at all, or even the option to play as a female.

Modifié par Felfenix, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:45 .

[Liablecocksman]

Sharn01 wrote...

Yes but those people who impulse buy a game on a whim and never finish it still count against the tally of who participates in what during the course of the game.

So the data is invalid because "people who impulse buy are game" aren't real customers?
I bet BioWare earns just as much from their purchase, as from yours.

I respect your point, but it doesn't make any sense.

[Pwnsaur]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I am not sure how reliable that info is though, it would not surprise me at all to find out that half the gaming community impulse buys nearly all their games and finishes very few of them.

The metrics - at least the ones they've shared with us - indicate precisely that.  Many many people don't finish either DA or ME2.

Pwnsaur wrote...

This isn't a reliable method of determining a players' enjoyment of any specific thing. 

Enjoyment?  No.  Use?  Yes.

If players simply don't take part in a romance plot, that would be reflected in the data.  So it either means they didn't know it was there, or didn't choose to take part in it.  

So, for Chris to cite this information to support his argument that only a small percentage of players really care about this feature is overstepping a bit... I think we both know he wants these two things to correlate, because he's inherently against the romance sub-plots. He's stretching his data a bit, let's be real here..

[upsettingshorts]

Pwnsaur wrote...

So, for Chris to cite this information to support his argument that only a small percentage of players really care about this feature is overstepping a bit...

No, I don't think so.  Unless you think he is deliberately lying.  And you're free to, but I'm not gonna think that.

[Wicked 702]

Ziggeh wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Why do you think Fenris is effeminate?

He is an elf?

Probably why I shouldn't ever take to writing, but I'd be so tempted to beat tropes like that to death.

Hear hear! I'm personally tired of stereotypes like this, considering the "elves" of Dragon Age =/= "elves" in other universes. Are people really saying that they considered Zathrian to be effeminate? Not every elf has to follow this line.

[dzizass]

He has a good reason to hate romance sub-plots. I can't remember a well written romance in an RPG since Planescape:Torment. Maybe Viconia in BG2, but that's a big "MAYBE". And then? Most romances were either extremely cheesy or the romancable companion in question was so annoying that I was looking for an option to get them killed.

[Victia]

One thing I would like to know is how many payers they have collected data on compared to how any copies sold (I dont think they get stats on second-hand copies sold). Just out of curiosity to see what proportion of players of these games they have data on. I know we will never know but would be interesting

[upsettingshorts]

Ziggeh wrote...

Probably why I shouldn't ever take to writing, but I'd be so tempted to beat tropes like that to death.

OT: I have a feeling you'd love what I would do with Star Trek.  Oh man, the tears... they'd be amazing...

[Mercuron]

Well one way of preventing all the romance speculation threads is to claim you're porting Anomen and Jacob over for romances. That would kill 99% of them dead in their tracks.

Or you could - I don't know - reveal the LIs.