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[Felfenix]

BurtonSD wrote...

Felfenix wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

BioWare games are DEFINED by three uniques features - full control over character dialog, companions and ROMANCE. If these three things were cut from a BioWare game they would be nowhere near as popular as they are. No one else does this. Alpha Protocol cames close but (and there just has to be a "but", doesn't it) they screwed it with their rubbish "dialogue stance" nonsense instead of letting us pick each response.

With BioWare games now stealing their gameplay from other sources and becoming more and more generic and homogenised with the lazy mainstream gaming industry ROMANCE is one of the last unqiue features they have.

it actually starts to harm the sales of the game (for those who are looking for an action game, RPG or story based game and not a romance sim).

Heaven forbid the romance scare off those action fans! As if they don't have enough games to play! BioWare games are frankly the only games we hopeless romantics can look forward to. I only hope DA2's romances are a big step up from ME2s which were awful.

According to your own childish argument, we have enough dating sims on questionable Japanese internet sites, but Heaven forbid we scare off the "romance" crowd. It's unfortunate that you're so belligerent that you perceive being asked to not clutter the ENTIRE forum with "I wanna have virtual sex with every NPC! That's what Bioware games are all about!" as some kind of threat to remove your little "romances" from the games. A couple suggestive lines of dialog and a cheesy scene.are not some kind of integral pillar of Bioware games.

Yes because people asking for romance simply want their character to put it in every **** imaginable. You sir have got us pegged. <_<

It's pretty clear from all the threads on this forum that there isn't anything people like you don't wanna "romance". Do we really need more "OMG! Bioware! Why can't I have sex with my siblings!?" type threads? It's not like anybody is asking for romance plots to be removed.

[YoziMaiden]

Felfenix wrote...

 "OMG! Bioware! Why can't I have sex with my siblings!?"

I suspect this is what resulted in Carver Hawke in the first place. 

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[Maria Caliban]

Felfenix wrote...

It's pretty clear from all the threads on this forum that there isn't anything people like you don't wanna "romance". Do we really need more "OMG! Bioware! Why can't I have sex with my siblings!?" type threads? It's not like anybody is asking for romance plots to be removed.

Sadly, that isn't true. As someone who does want to have digital sexual relations with all the companions and most of the NPCs, I find I am quite alone in that desire. The majority of fans seem to fixate on a single target and seek out a relationship with that character above all others.

[Collider]

Too many romance threads? Deal with it. They're not trying to personally offend you.

And at most I see a few romance threads on the first page at a time. They're hardly the majority.

And if you want to talk about Fenris or whomever but not their romance, you simply need to take initiative.

Modifié par Collider, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:23 .

[BurtonSD]

Felfenix wrote...

BurtonSD wrote...

Felfenix wrote...


According to your own childish argument, we have enough dating sims on questionable Japanese internet sites, but Heaven forbid we scare off the "romance" crowd. It's unfortunate that you're so belligerent that you perceive being asked to not clutter the ENTIRE forum with "I wanna have virtual sex with every NPC! That's what Bioware games are all about!" as some kind of threat to remove your little "romances" from the games. A couple suggestive lines of dialog and a cheesy scene.are not some kind of integral pillar of Bioware games.

Yes because people asking for romance simply want their character to put it in every **** imaginable. You sir have got us pegged. <_<

It's pretty clear from all the threads on this forum that there isn't anything people like you don't wanna "romance". Do we really need more "OMG! Bioware! Why can't I have sex with my siblings!?" type threads? It's not like anybody is asking for romance plots to be removed.

Everyone on the forums have their own tastes, so surely you shouldn't be surprised when they see a character that seems interesting to them and ask if they are a possible LI. Like Collider said, people don't make romance threads to irritate you or anyone with your views, we're simply curious. And really, if you don't like the threads... avoid them.

Modifié par BurtonSD, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:21 .

[Wikal]

But Bioware, if not you, who else will cater to my insatiable desire for virtual bunnypig flesh? I'm assuming that if we see a nug ANYWHERE in the screenshots, I must be able to romance it.

On-topic though, I'm happy for anything we get really. I understand Chris's point about too much speculation. Although I don't see the harm of them as long as people don't start feeling that romances are a right. They're completely optional features that Bioware chooses to include. They certainly make the story better (ex. Morrigan's), but they can do better storytelling in other ways as well. What comes will come.

Modifié par Wikal, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:36 .

[crimzontearz]

talimancers were originally those who romanced Tali in ME2



(you do not romance Tali, Tali romances you.....you have been Talimanced)



but then everyone started using the term to refer to the hardcore Tali fanbase in general...

[Lord_Caledore]

crimzontearz wrote...

talimancers were originally those who romanced Tali in ME2

(you do not romance Tali, Tali romances you.....you have been Talimanced)

but then everyone started using the term to refer to the hardcore Tali fanbase in general...

Oh, that makes more sense for the origins of the name. And now I know, and knowing is half the battle! 

[Jimmy Fury]

I'm more interested in how Priestly determined that romance threads actually hurt sales...
I would love to hear that one explained.

Since the definition of "actually" is "existing in act and not meerly potentially"

[Seagloom]

This thread is... interesting. Personally, my only problem with BioWare romances to this point is that they come off feeling inauthentic. Often, the romances feel one sided with my character playing the role of therapist and shoulder to lean on for an NPC that does not often seem to care what my character thinks. If my PC does something they disapprove of strongly enough, it can end the romance. Typically there is no option to elaborate on my character's reasoning. If my PC does something epic or goes through a traumatic experience, she rarely, if ever, has an opportunity to express it. In fact, the only instances of that occurring I can remember where one point in "Mass Effect" and "Jade Empire". From what I hear, "Mass Effect 2" can be included if one romanced Liara and bought "Lair of the Shadowbroker".

For those reasons I place less value on romances than I do general character development. Romances require more attention than a friendship track. It is harder to ignore flaws in them. Origins surprised me by integrating at least two romance options into the main plot, but it also demonstrated video games have a long way to go before I feel the lack of them hurts a game. Most RPGs I play lack romances, and are still fun with at least a few memorable characters; some of which still tug on my heartstrings despite no romantic or sexual attachment.

I can understand, but not quite relate to fans that play BioWare games primarily for the romance content. It has always been about the package deal in my eyes, with gameplay sitting on top. That is likely why Origins is far from my favorite title in their library despite some of that game's characters having higher words counts, and impressively detailed development leading up until the end.

I would prefer each game refined romances rather than seeing them removed altogether, however. Not that I think every BioWare game necessarily needs romances to be entertaining.

Modifié par Seagloom, 04 janvier 2011 - 08:36 .

[Reidbynature]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm more interested in how Priestly determined that romance threads actually hurt sales...
I would love to hear that one explained.

Since the definition of "actually" is "existing in act and not meerly potentially"

Good point.  Somehow I don't see the average/casual gamer going out of their way to look up the game on internet forums.

[Mahumia]

I think that overreacting and taking things too seriously is also an art XD



Recall the whole fuss about ME1 regarding the alien side boob? I think (this is personal point of view, not based on stats I have on hand) that the way for flooding forums with romance threads in order to harm sales, is when media would hook on and take all speculations for facts.



I mean: I'm following the official Fenris thread (or well, trying to keep up... I'm about halfway by now XD), since the few bits of information about Fenris interested me, and I think that all speculations about him are hilarious. Oh yeah, I like the romances and I'm quite capable of some pixel crushes, but I wouldn't consider myself to be 'a rabid fangirl'. Heck, I play this game for the roleplay possibilities. And well, if you spend lots of time together it is possible that romances start to come up (how many relations start at work again?), so I am glad that Bioware aknowledges this and offer this opportunity for those who -choose- to follow one.



So, agree with David that romance threads are actually harmless. And lets face it the other way: romance, in fact, DOES sell... Wouldn't there be (awkward) romance scenes in almost every Hollywood movie otherwise? Why are almost all songs about love? Because the majority of the people simply seem to care about that...



On the other hand... I have to admit that some people indeed go quite a few bridges too far with their romance requests/speculations... But hey, what else would you expect on the internet? Just try to laugh about it, I know I do

[uuuhcantthinkofaname]

Seagloom wrote...

This thread is... interesting. Personally, my only problem with BioWare romances to this point is that they come off feeling inauthentic. Often, the romances feel one sided with my character playing the role of therapist and shoulder to lean on for an NPC that does not often seem to care what my character thinks. If my PC does something they disapprove of strongly enough, it can end the romance. If my PC does something epic or goes through a traumatic experience, I rarely, if ever, have an opportunity to express that in a romance. In fact, the only instances of that occurring I can remember where one point in "Mass Effect" and "Jade Empire". From what I hear, "Mass Effect 2" can be included if one romanced Liara and bought "Lair of the Shadowbroker".
 

I think if a femshep romances Jacob he'll talk to her about how she feels with the last 2 years being lost or somesuch.

[Seldara]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kya169 wrote...
Sorry to hear that, Chris.  Its still a huge interest to a very small, but incredibly hardcore and rabid segment of the fan base though.

Fixed that for you.

It's odd that you say you are tired of so many threads and posts on this matter and then you say their are so little people interested in the romance.  It can't be both.  Maybe it's your bad time of the month for you or something, but can you please stop with the negativity and the made up stats just to make your made up points?  That is the thing that is really annoying in this thread.  BTW, do the sales and PR departments know that you are trying to scare off people from talking about the game and generating hype?  Cause that would truely be what is "hurting sales".  Take a break, take a nap, change your tampon, whatever it is you need to do, but please stop the whining.

[aksoileau]

Lol Seldara, way to troll Miss I just joined the forums today. There is rabid fanbase for romances and it's sickening that people value at most ten lines of dialogue in a 30 hour game.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Seldara wrote...

It's odd that you say you are tired of so many threads and posts on this matter and then you say their are so little people interested in the romance.  It can't be both. 

Yes it can.  100 people can open 1000 threads and then bump each other's post endlessly.  For proof, look at these forums.

Take a break, take a nap, change your tampon, whatever it is you need to do, but please stop the whining.

Right back at you!  :D:D



Don't get me wrong, I do most of the romances, but come on... Relax! 

[Stanley Woo]

Not everyone thinks in-game romances are the be-all and end-all of BioWare games, and not everyone believes that this forum constitutes the totality of the "hype-generating" for Dragon Age II. That's all I'm saying besides "please relax" and it's okay to disagree with Chris, just don't freak out about it.

[Reidbynature]

Copied from the m/m romances because it's more relevant in the general romance thread.

TJPags wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

Well just like any other romantic interest I want the experience to be worthwhile and not just a crawl through a dialogue tree to what is for a lot of us a tired concept of a 'reward'. The journey itself should be an experience and it shouldn't simply drop off once it's reached a sexual stage. Also a point I forgot to mention in the main romances thread, I don't think that sex should be the end of it. I don't mean just carrying on the dialouge etc, but removing it from that part of the process so that if it does happen in the game it shouldn't feel as though it just presented the player for their hardwork, that just reduces the experience.

That and I don't want to feel like I'm romancing 'Puss in Boots'. Any companion that can be romanced should have a more rounded character than Zevran. Although I liked Zevran and thought he had some good backstory if you cared to ask him, I didn't think he was as developed as say someone like Morrigan.

I know this is the M/M romance thread, so maybe not the right place, but wouldn't it be interesting to perhaps have pregnancies result from the romances? We do have 10 years, after all.

That said, I also agree in general - the romances in Origins seemed stilted once they slept together.

'Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal' says hello.

They had that option in the last pc Baldur's Gate (great series). It's certainly one good option. Anything that gives us options to interact with the companion in more interesting ways rather than 'no your hair IS pretty' or 'wow that must have been hard for you to go through'. Just anything to keep it compelling.  And although sleeping with Morrigan resulted with a child she ran off and that was the end of the game and being able to deal with the consequences, within reason and without it getting in the way of story and gameplay might be more interesting.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 04 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .

[crimzontearz]

Stanley Woo wrote...




Not everyone thinks in-game romances are the be-all and end-all of BioWare games, and not everyone believes that this forum constitutes the totality of the "hype-generating" for Dragon Age II. That's all I'm saying besides "please relax" and it's okay to disagree with Chris, just don't freak out about it.

so let me get this straight....you and/or Bioware at large do not see anythinng wrong with this kind of comment made to the public by someone in your own company who is supposed to work in a field similar to PR/CR?




I mean Stanley, I may have had friction with you are Chris in the past about purely conceptual arguments and all but professionally speaking that was just wrong.

[Milana_Saros]

TJPags wrote...

wouldn't it be interesting to perhaps have pregnancies result from the romances? We do have 10 years, after all.

Now I'm having a hard time understanding these comments...Do FemSheps/FemHawks simply not excist for some people? I personally can't imagine my FemHawk swinging a sword 8 months pregnant. Not to even talk about FemShep. "Blah blah blah but it could happen during a phase shift blah blah blah" Yeah I know, doesn't make it any more rational tbh. I didn't even know about the whole Aerie's pregnancy thing in Throne of Bhaal but after a friend told me about it, I checked it out and honestly? Just reading about it online fealt incredibly stupid. Think about the poor kids for starters...

If romances are going to remain a solid feature in Bioware games of the future then I would also like to see some development in that aspect, like party members taking note of the romance more. Even if I wasn't a fan of Alistair becoming king and me ruling beside him through marriage, it was a refreshing change to the non-romance-reacting gameworld. I like the fact that the LI is someone, not just some dude I picked up cos' he was offered as a party member.

But marriage and kids and whatnot? Sure, maybe in epilogues if you get to talk about and "decide" about stuff like that in romance sub-plot dialogue (aka Origins) but ongoing during the actual game? No thanks. These games still aren't dating sims. I also don't feel comfortable about letting people bring a child into a war riddled gaming universe...

[SirGladiator]

The romance storylines in Bioware games are certainly one of, if not the, biggest unique selling point for Bioware games. Certainly ME1 was a cool game and lots of fun, I played it all the way through many times, but there were plenty of other fairly similar games out there at the time, what made it so incredibly successful and fun was the romance options (especially the Liara-FemShep one which got worldwide media attention for the game, and the company). Would KOTOR have been NEARLY as much fun without the Bastilla romance? It was a really cool game, but the romance is what took it from really good to really great. Of course I could go on and on with specific examples from previous games, but I think anybody looking at it objectively knows that if you're a Bioware fan you're a Bioware fan not just because they make fun games, they certainly do but so do many other companies. Bioware is in the unique position of having the best romance storylines in gaming today, its a huge advantage and that's what makes them as successful as they are and what makes their games as fun as they are. So I'd say to anybody who doesnt like romance, the vast majority of Bioware fans like romance, and if we didn't we might be playing something else altogether, so you should be glad that we do .

[David Gaider]

crimzontearz wrote...
so let me get this straight....you and/or Bioware at large do not see anythinng wrong with this kind of comment made to the public by someone in your own company who is supposed to work in a field similar to PR/CR?

Assuming you all can survive the deadly blow to your egos, of course not. You're not "the public" like some unaware customer who just wandered in here off the street. You're those punk kids who hang out every afternoon in the 7-11 reading all the magazines like you own the place.

If someone tells you to keep it to a dull roar every once in a while, I imagine you'll deal.

Modifié par David Gaider, 04 janvier 2011 - 10:13 .

[PSUHammer]

Reidbynature wrote...
Your post is new and refreshing.  Thanks.

You mean as new and refreshing as another thread on romances?