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[Kohaku]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I adore both Zev and Alistair, and it is difficult to choose, so I generally get jiggy with both, but depending on the nature of my character, choose the one most suitable from an RPG point.

But yes, I love Zevvy too. And the fact he's the first romancable male elf in an RPG, that makes him especially unique.

Zevran: "ARRRRR! Pirate Zevran reporting for duty! Prepare to be boarded!"

It's the promise of lines like this that make it impossible for me to ever kill him when we meet.

I like the Zev. I let him go on my first playthough but reverted back to an older save. I eneded up playing 2 hours of content again but it was worth it.

[BlastedLands]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...



It's the promise of lines like this that make it impossible for me to ever kill him when we meet.

did that a few times. then reloaded, because it just feels wrong without him:wub:
edit: oh, i see i'm no alone

Modifié par Haerja, 17 décembre 2009 - 08:53 .

[Rhinna]

Antikristine wrote...

Servant of Nature wrote...
On note to the earring, I read if you refuse it by saying you won't take it unless it means something, he will offer it again and confess that it is a token of affection, and will even agree it's a proposal if your PC wants it. This is just what I read though, I haven't gotten to the point where I can try it out just yet.

Allright, I know I sound like the worst fangirl right now, but is there someone who has had this conversation with Zev and can confirm this? 

I accepted his earring, and after talking with him in camp he confessed that he might be in love with the PC. The fact that he was entertaining that thought was indeed endearing, but if he goes even further I would want to watch that cutscene.

I just finished romancing Zev, and went back and tried the option where I said "I'm not taking it if it doesn't mean anything" and he got huffy (-5 disapproves) and took the earring back.

A couple conversations later, when I asked him to my tent at camp, he said "no".  I was shocked, asked for an explanation, and he sort of stammered a bit, and explained as an assassin, they are taught to hide their emotions, etc. etc. etc. yet when he's around me, the emotions come out, etc. etc... (dang wish I had a screenshot of the convo - it wasn't all in my journal) basically, he was falling for me, yet never came out and said the word "love".  I think it's just too foreign for him.  When I replied that I felt the same way, he was relieved, and said going into my tent will not be a problem (*NOTE FOR THE DEVS*  why does the PC always have to be the one to ask??? Can't Zev get horny once in a while on his own? LOL)  From then on, he was devoted to me, when you prompted him for conversation, he said "I'm yours"...However, never the "L" word.  the conversation prior to Redcliffe was nice, but again with the 'friend' thing *sighs*...In the epilogue, he does stay with you, and it says he stays with his love in Denerim "for a time"...to me, that doesn't necessarily mean that *he* leaves - he does warn you that the Antivan Crows will most likely be looking for him once they realize he didn't die with Teliesin.  Perhaps he and your PC then travel.  I am hoping DA:O2 will address that :-)

I thought a lot about Zev's background - and honestly - to have him call you a friend is probably a higher honor (to him) than a lover.  He's never had anyone that cared about him unconditionally.

I never got a proposal or anything in my dialogues, nor did I get offered the earring back once I said it had to mean something.  However, I did get Zev's pledge of loyalty and his idea of love (although not voiced directly) and for him, I think that means a lot.  The epilogue said "love" so I'm sure he got used to the idea.

*off subject a tad* Oh...and as a Dalish Elf, I don't think you get the option for a threesome with Isabella, your PC and Zevran - I did get it with my human however...I dunno if she doesn't like female elves, or what /shrugs, but I tried every option I could think of, to no avail...

[Vegielamb]

Mesecina wrote...

Bioras wrote...

Zev is a poor choice to begin with. I am half way through landsmeet, with him maxed...and he still hasn't given me the stupid earring. In battle he dies all the time, despite the attention given to him.
I'm getting a new PC in a couple weeks. I thought I would try Zev out while I'm waiting. Hmm...how many days til my new PC gets here??? Zev was poorly done. He's not worth the time.

He just requires some patience which is good imo because irl I'd run as far away from Alistair as possible seeing how he glues at you the first time you bat your eyelashes at him.
How do you mean halfway through Landsmeet? After the Landsmeet has been called for the encounter should trigger the first time you travel around Denerim (the latest I could think of would probably be when you're saving Anora)
As for dying - I don't know in my party he's usually the one that dies the least and since the 2nd playthrough I rarely even use Wynne for healing. But he is at his best if you micromanage him a lot or toy with his tactics quite a bit because on default he's quite prone to switching targets for no apparent reason getting him more than a fair share of aggro.

Care to list those tactics you're using?

[ejoslin]

I love Zev. My human noble ended up in a political marriage with Alistair and kept Zev as her lover. I turned down the earring and he reoffered it. The wording of the ending when you sacrifice yourself is ambiguous, and I'm not sure whether he has many lovers or none at all after you die (I think none at all since he has a lot of offers OF bed partners, not from, but other people read it differently). But whatever, he's loyal to the end.  

It's because of my Zev romance that I hate Wynne. Because the PC did not fall under what Wynne felt was acceptable for a gray warden, she insults the PC, insults Zev, and gets mad when you call her on it! Her comments about Alistair and Leliana are not nearly as insulting as her ones about Zev.

Zev is always in my party, even when my PC is a rogue. His conversations are my favorite.

On my first playthrough, Alistair dumped my elf and I was stunned and heartbroken (embarrassing reaction, but it was real, which shows what an amazing game this really is).  I had a fast forward romance with Zevran and was amazed at how much more real it seemed.  Alistair was all fairy tales, and Zevran was, well, real.  I'm on playthrough 7 and he's still just as compelling.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:32 .

[Sylph_14]

Wynne still does admit she was wrong though XD It just takes a little while cause ya gotta wait til after the encounter with Talisen.

[ejoslin]

Sylph_14 wrote...

Wynne still does admit she was wrong though XD It just takes a little while cause ya gotta wait til after the encounter with Talisen.

Oh, I know.  But it's her initial comments that make me mad.  How it's not fitting for a gray warden to be involved with someone like . . . that!

[Rainen89]

Wynne was tolerable for the first couple playthroughs, now it's hard not to kill her even if I plan to save the tower.

Though her comments on Morrigan aren't much better, I must ask Wynne about Zevran, I always wait til the end to go boom, boom in his zoom, zoom.

Modifié par Rainen89, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:34 .

[ejoslin]

Rainen89 wrote...

Wynne was tolerable for the first couple playthroughs, now it's hard not to kill her even if I plan to save the tower.

Though her comments on Morrigan aren't much better, I must ask Wynne about Zevran, I always wait til the end to go boom, boom in his zoom, zoom.

Hahaha, you really do. It's actually pretty funny, and you have been offending her, but she is incredibly insulting to both you and Zev.  I really don't like Wynne.  She has her own idea what a gray warden should be and if you don't live up to it, she's down right nasty.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:41 .

[Sylph_14]

ejoslin wrote...

Sylph_14 wrote...

Wynne still does admit she was wrong though XD It just takes a little while cause ya gotta wait til after the encounter with Talisen.

Oh, I know.  But it's her initial comments that make me mad.  How it's not fitting for a gray warden to be involved with someone like . . . that!

The beggining of the conversation had me in a giggle-fit X3

Player: You know about Zevran and me?
Wynne: I almost wish I didn't. Half of us aren't getting any sleep the way you two carry on all night.
Player: We'll try to keep it down next time.
Wynne: Thats kind of you... I suppose.

[Creature 1]

Vegielamb wrote...

Mesecina wrote...

Bioras wrote...

Zev is a poor choice to begin with. I am half way through landsmeet, with him maxed...and he still hasn't given me the stupid earring. In battle he dies all the time, despite the attention given to him.
I'm getting a new PC in a couple weeks. I thought I would try Zev out while I'm waiting. Hmm...how many days til my new PC gets here??? Zev was poorly done. He's not worth the time.

He just requires some patience which is good imo because irl I'd run as far away from Alistair as possible seeing how he glues at you the first time you bat your eyelashes at him.
How do you mean halfway through Landsmeet? After the Landsmeet has been called for the encounter should trigger the first time you travel around Denerim (the latest I could think of would probably be when you're saving Anora)
As for dying - I don't know in my party he's usually the one that dies the least and since the 2nd playthrough I rarely even use Wynne for healing. But he is at his best if you micromanage him a lot or toy with his tactics quite a bit because on default he's quite prone to switching targets for no apparent reason getting him more than a fair share of aggro.

Care to list those tactics you're using?

At the top (under the healing direction) I have him set to turn on Momentum (a must), then have him set to autoattack a stunned enemy.  Below that I tell him to use dirty fighting if being attacked by melee.  This means when he's attacked he will stun the enemy, then on the next tactics scanthrough he will be directed to attack the stunned enemy, and will keep attacking until it either recovers or dies.  I'll probably put Riposte when attacked by melee under that--haven't done that yet, should work the same.  Then below that he's to use Flurry when attacked (this only happens if his stunning attacks are on cooldown), and if surrounded by three enemies to use dual weapon swipe.  I usually put him in position to use that, though.  It works pretty well--he will stun enemies when he can and preferentially attack stunned enemies.  However, he will leave his current (unstunned) target if another party member stuns someone, which you usually but not always want him to do.  You can also put in an order for mark of death on yellow bosses or better. 

He ought to be flanking enemies whenever he's attacking someone who isn't stunned and isn't engaged directly with an enemy.  There's not way to make the AI do this, so you should move him behind targets periodically during combat.  

As long as I don't send Zevran and my rogue in under stealth to take out a target at the beginning of a battle they don't draw much aggression.  Sometimes a stunned enemy will recover and attack whichever was dealing the most damage, but then I just have the other rogue move into position to backstab.  They slice and dice with amazing speed.  I think they must land at least three hits while Oghren is still finishing one swing. 

[Amenirdis]

I am glad that I'm not the only one who likes Zev. His lines always manage to make me giggle. He is a very rewarding romance option, in my opinion, especially as he gets to really care for one's caracter.

[ejoslin]

Amenirdis wrote...

I am glad that I'm not the only one who likes Zev. His lines always manage to make me giggle. He is a very rewarding romance option, in my opinion, especially as he gets to really care for one's caracter.

I think he's the most rewarding.  His story is heartbreaking, he as a character has incredible strength.  The PC doesn't have to change him, unlike Leliana and Alistair.  And his loyalty is complete.  With Alistair, my final feeling towards their romance was, wow, the PC is WAY too good for him and he can't even truly understand how good she is.  Alistair and the PC strike me as very uneven with the PC taking the place of all the parent figures Alistair was missing, with Alistair being unwilling to accept the PC's flaws.  With Zev, it strikes me more as equals, though technically the PC holds the strings.  I just finished doing the elven alienage with a dumped Alistair and romanced Zev on a city elf.  Alistair was indignant that the PC had never mentioned the betrothal (I also did this with a romanced Alistair and no Zev and he was still indignant) where Zevran just looked and sounded very, very sad.

[Rainen89]

Zevran is just very caring. He wants to please you and he doesn't want to complicate things. Even if he does have intense feelings for you he'll be passive and apologize that it came to that but still ask if you can be good friends. Morrigan's romance was also quite endearing, at least at the end. I was thoroughly disappointed with Leliana. Although the foursome was good for laughs.



"You're coming, that's an order!'

[highcastle]

Rainen89 wrote...

Zevran is just very caring. He wants to please you and he doesn't want to complicate things. Even if he does have intense feelings for you he'll be passive and apologize that it came to that but still ask if you can be good friends. Morrigan's romance was also quite endearing, at least at the end. I was thoroughly disappointed with Leliana. Although the foursome was good for laughs.

"You're coming, that's an order!'

He'll be passive to a point, but if you have his approval maxed, he won't just want to be good friends. He has a tough time expressing his feelings, but if you speak to him enough times and pick the right responses, he'll stay with your PC forever...and not just as friends. It's one of the things that I liked about Zev's relationship. For a guy who claims to be an easy lover, he's very complicated when emotions get involved. But he's also sweet and super devoted.

[Boss Fog]

what exactly does Zevran say if you tell him "no matter what happens, I love you." Does he say "cruel till the end" or "true to the end?" His accent gets kind of thick there and I can't really tell what he's saying or what he means by that, anyone have an opinion?

[cutieyum]

Bioras wrote...

Zev is a poor choice to begin with. I am half way through landsmeet, with him maxed...and he still hasn't given me the stupid earring. In battle he dies all the time, despite the attention given to him.
I'm getting a new PC in a couple weeks. I thought I would try Zev out while I'm waiting. Hmm...how many days til my new PC gets here??? Zev was poorly done. He's not worth the time.

How does a rogue ever dies? They usually have high dex, so they never get hit and have several ways of 'dissappearing' or getting ignored by attackers. A rogue should never attract aggro and have high DPS...

[cutieyum]

As expressed by the posters above, I too, feel that Zev's romance feels the most comfortable and realistic. Alistair's romance had all the sugar, highs and unspeakable horrid feeling of a Teenage Love affair, if you were non-noble. Zev's love felt more grounded and fulfilling for my female Grey Wardens, who have a short life span ahead of them. A mature loving 'partnership', sweet, devoted and understanding.

[B33ker]

Zev is worth keeping around just for the fact he is so casual about everything.  In his eyes, almost nothing is taboo, and he doesn't judge people with a black and white attitude.  In his world, everything is "gray" and can be acceptable depending on the circumstances.

His little talk with Shale about "doing it" is worth it's weight in goldas well.

Modifié par B33ker, 21 décembre 2009 - 03:54 .

[ejoslin]

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

what exactly does Zevran say if you tell him "no matter what happens, I love you." Does he say "cruel till the end" or "true to the end?" His accent gets kind of thick there and I can't really tell what he's saying or what he means by that, anyone have an opinion?

He says "Cruel to the end."  He's asking if he'll ever see you again, or if you're going to die; you can tell him you're coming back, and get a much better response.  He does know that a gray warden should be dying (I remember some dialog to that nature) as in the legends a gray warden or gray warden companion always dies.  He also wants to stay by your side.  That line gets me every time -- "To be by your side, I'd storm the gates of the dark city itself.  Do not doubt it."  

[Brass_Buckles]

Hmmm. As a female player (don't let my avatar fool you, it just means I'm currently playing Veriosh there), I have to say I still prefer Alistair. Sure, he's got flaws and he's immature (the action figure collecting didn't tip you off?), and he'll dump you for the good of the country... but he's a gentleman. That's something Zevran cannot be. However, I've got Zevran at +100 and he's still at Adore. It's easier to get Alistair to fall in love, gentleman or no. And, I'm not sure how Alistair responds if you decide not to sleep with him, but I will say this: I appreciate that if you are concerned about the other people in camp, Zevran will not force the issue of sharing your tent--and he won't even lose any relationship points or relationship status over it. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised that Zevran of all characters would be so considerate of the PC's presumed bashfulness.

That said, playing through Zevran's romance with my snarky female City Elf Denora, I get the feeling that maybe Wynne is right about his having regrets. If he hadn't lived the life he had lived, he'd probably have turned out to be a better man than Alistair (but not a more attractive one. He's too feminine in appearance for my taste). In my first playthrough, I was definitely impressed by his loyalty, and I didn't even romance him. He was the only character willing to stay by my character's side after Alistair had sacrificed himself. You'd think the party would be more concerned for my character, seeing as she had been in love with Alistair--but the game doesn't give you the option to take it hard. After that I kind of pictured her taking up a romance with Zevran.

For all that I hate his arrogance and his tendency to look at everyone as a sexual object, I agree: Playing through without Zevran just wouldn't be the same. He's amusing, and he has a great story. If I ever have a character for whom it would not make sense to spare him, then I suppose I won't, then.

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:23 .

[Time4Tiddy]

I am on my second playthrough - the first time I played as female mage and romanced Alistair but ultimately he killed himself to save me. Now I'm playing through as a male human noble romancing Zev to see how this all goes as a "gay" PC. I figure if I'm going to marry Anora to become king, I'd rather keep the hot elf lover on the side - that Anora is a horrible b!tch... but I do want to be king...



I'm enjoying the complexity of the Zevran relationship, but I have to say the funniest thing is after I've slept with Zev, oh I dunno, 20 times, then I have a conversation with Alistair where he asks if I've ever "licked a lamppost." LOL. Duh - what do you think was happening in that tent?!



Also, I found that I could take the dialogue in two directions. In one, I express some misgivings about being with another man, and Zev admits that he prefers women, but that we must do with what we have. I didn't care for that so much so I went with a more straightforward "I'm glad you like men" approach and he never makes the comment about liking women more.

[twintalons]

wow i always imagined if you were a male PC he said he preferred men in that conversation!

[Time4Tiddy]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I adore both Zev and Alistair, and it is difficult to choose, so I generally get jiggy with both, but depending on the nature of my character, choose the one most suitable from an RPG point.

You know if you harden Alistair you can sleep with Alistair and Zev at the same time (well, Isabela is there too, but please I shoved her off the bed) 

[Cybercat999]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

You know if you harden Alistair you can sleep with Alistair and Zev at the same time (well, Isabela is there too, but please I shoved her off the bed) 

Once. An you have to bear with that ugly rogue.
Otherwise there is no way to have sex with both at once without one of them demanding you choose.