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[Rainen89]

Really? Alistair = Leliana in that situation?

[Time4Tiddy]

Rainen89 wrote...

Really? Alistair = Leliana in that situation?

Exactly. 

[Rainen89]

Damnit, I might have to actually suffer making a female character...*cries*

[Cybercat999]

For someone stating how he wants you to be the only woman he ever had sex with, Alistair jumps awfully fast in sack with you and the rogue girl.

[Rainen89]

He also said he'd stick by you til the end and see this through no matter what happened and we all know how that turned out.

[JosieJ]

ejoslin wrote...

TelvanniWarlord wrote...

what exactly does Zevran say if you tell him "no matter what happens, I love you." Does he say "cruel till the end" or "true to the end?" His accent gets kind of thick there and I can't really tell what he's saying or what he means by that, anyone have an opinion?

He says "Cruel to the end."  He's asking if he'll ever see you again, or if you're going to die; you can tell him you're coming back, and get a much better response.  He does know that a gray warden should be dying (I remember some dialog to that nature) as in the legends a gray warden or gray warden companion always dies.  He also wants to stay by your side.  That line gets me every time -- "To be by your side, I'd storm the gates of the dark city itself.  Do not doubt it."  

I think he only says "cruel to the end" if you're leaving him behind at the gate.  I was actually going to take Oghren on my last playthrough (I was already playing a rogue, although a ranged one), then Zevran said the "cruel" line, and I had to reload and take him along just because he sounded so sad!  He kicked butt, too (but that's no surprise)!

[Lucy Glitter]

Some people seem to think he sucks in combat, when he is one of my favourite DPS. Just position him behind the enemy, mark of death and that enemy is toast.

[Time4Tiddy]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Some people seem to think he sucks in combat, when he is one of my favourite DPS. Just position him behind the enemy, mark of death and that enemy is toast.

Give him Coup de Grace then set his tactics to always attack stunned enemies.  With Exploit Weakness he will tear through all the mobs in no time.

[leana78]

yes I like Zev too! I always hated Alistair so I didn't have many options in romancing ...Zev is great and so funny. You have to be patient but he's worth it .Well, he asked me to choose between him and Alistair , then between him and Leliana.Plus I love rogues.

Anyway, I chose him and it was fun...helped to wait until I get Loghain. I'm hopelessly in love with Loghain....Pfff, no romance possible

[LdyShayna]

Cybercat999 wrote...

For someone stating how he wants you to be the only woman he ever had sex with, Alistair jumps awfully fast in sack with you and the rogue girl.

Well, in order for that to happen, you had to have convinced him that everyone is only looking out for themselves and he should, too.  It's your fault at that point, really.

But this thread is about Zevran. 

I found him an enigma, myself.  It was difficult early on in the relationship with him to figure out how he really felt about many things.

[Cybercat999]

LdyShayna wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

For someone stating how he wants you to be the only woman he ever had sex with, Alistair jumps awfully fast in sack with you and the rogue girl.

Well, in order for that to happen, you had to have convinced him that everyone is only looking out for themselves and he should, too.  It's your fault at that point, really.

But this thread is about Zevran. 

I found him an enigma, myself.  It was difficult early on in the relationship with him to figure out how he really felt about many things.

Ah no no, I dont buy that "its all your fault" stuff anymore. He should be accountable for his own actions

Zevran is actually easy to understand if you ever dealt with someone who was badly hurt in life and then masked his fears from being hurt again under *polite refusal* kind of behavior. They do get quite tricky to handle once you manage to get under their skin since they have a real reason to fear intimacy and it takes a lot of trust to let themselves go and enjoy the relationship.

[Creature 1]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

Rainen89 wrote...

Really? Alistair = Leliana in that situation?

Exactly. 

  Just added another planned character to my roster. 

[Imryll]

I'm feeling a bit sad though with his epilogue if the Warden sacrifices themselves. Zev gets many offers of bedmates, but never loves again. In real life, at least, I'd have liked him to find his Felsi equivalent. He would, of course, have to come up with new come-on remarks ... Pirate Zevran shouldn't board other ships, but after his experiences first with the woman in his last mission and then with the Warden, I'd have liked to picture him enjoying the comforts of a simpler relationship.

One of the things I really enjoyed in the Zev romance, was that my character several times made decisions based on his observations. First that Harrowmount was too weak to rule. Then, when deciding whether to accept the ritual, I remembered Zev telling Morrigan that she was a wicked, wicked woman, and it tipped the scales. I've never before gotten to RP a romance with someone whose advice my character would actually consider taking. Zev was a nice change from slightly-thick-but-reliable. ;-)

Modifié par Imryll, 21 décembre 2009 - 02:26 .

[Creature 1]

Imryll wrote...
One of the things I really enjoyed in the Zev romance, was that my character several times made decisions based on his observations. First that Harrowmount was too weak to rule. Then, when deciding whether to accept the ritual, I remembered Zev telling Morrigan that she was a wicked, wicked woman, and it tipped the scales. I've never before gotten to RP a romance with someone whose advice my character would actually consider taking. Zev was a nice change from slightly-thick-but-reliable. ;-)

Yes, the guy in charge of Orzammar in my current game is on the throne solely because Zev said his opponent was a wuss. 

[ejoslin]

Creature 1 wrote...

Imryll wrote...
One of the things I really enjoyed in the Zev romance, was that my character several times made decisions based on his observations. First that Harrowmount was too weak to rule. Then, when deciding whether to accept the ritual, I remembered Zev telling Morrigan that she was a wicked, wicked woman, and it tipped the scales. I've never before gotten to RP a romance with someone whose advice my character would actually consider taking. Zev was a nice change from slightly-thick-but-reliable. ;-)

Yes, the guy in charge of Orzammar in my current game is on the throne solely because Zev said his opponent was a wuss. 

Oh, that was why I chose Bhelen as well.  Zevran was spot on as well.  You know, I actually compare Bhelen to Alistair.  Bhelen, for as cruel as he was, was willing to change everything so he could be with the woman he loved.  Bhelen being with Rica would have been even more taboo than Alistair being with an elf!

[ejoslin]

Imryll wrote...

I'm feeling a bit sad though with his epilogue if the Warden sacrifices themselves. Zev gets many offers of bedmates, but never loves again. In real life, at least, I'd have liked him to find his Felsi equivalent. He would, of course, have to come up with new come-on remarks ... Pirate Zevran shouldn't board other ships, but after his experiences first with the woman in his last mission and then with the Warden, I'd have liked to picture him enjoying the comforts of a simpler relationship.

That's why you should never sacrifice yourself when romancing Zev.  When you die, the best of him dies with you 

[Sialater]

Queens are ornamental, I'd rather be a chancellor.

[ejoslin]

Sialater wrote...

Queens are ornamental, I'd rather be a chancellor.

You can be both  I'm seeing this playthrough if the epilogue is different if my PC never romances Alistair and becomes queen (I've only had the PC dump him first then marry him, and everyone is still delighted).

[Imryll]

ejoslin wrote...

That's why you should never sacrifice yourself when romancing Zev.  When you die, the best of him dies with you 

Well, the plan was for Loghain to do the sacrificing,  It would have been very hard to take the high road if there'd been a dialogue option to tell Alistair, "You killed me when you killed Loghain" at the end. But, of course, I couldn't have said that because bad things happen in the Alienage if Alistair doesn't rule, and it takes constant encouragement to keep him on track.

[ejoslin]

LdyShayna wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

For someone stating how he wants you to be the only woman he ever had sex with, Alistair jumps awfully fast in sack with you and the rogue girl.

Well, in order for that to happen, you had to have convinced him that everyone is only looking out for themselves and he should, too.  It's your fault at that point, really.

But this thread is about Zevran. 

I found him an enigma, myself.  It was difficult early on in the relationship with him to figure out how he really felt about many things.

Does looking out for ones self really mean not wanting to be faithful?  I mean, the PC was quick to jump in bed with someone else as well if you go that route, but I don't see anything inconsistent with wanting to only be with one person and only watching after yourself.  The PC is not accountable for Alistair's actions; Alistair is.  Just that his choices are different if you convince him to take care of himself first.  But saying it's the PC's "fault" is silly.  The only fault the PC has is wanting to have a threesome as well.

OT Zevran: He doesn't seem quite as enthusiastic for the three way as Alistair.  I haven't tried the 4 way yet; I'll have to try it my next play through.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[Amenirdis]

 "no matter what happens, I love you." "cruel till the end"  <- after this part, I felt so bad facing the archdemon. Luckily, Alistair sacrificed himself instead of my Dalish rogue, so there was a happy end for Zev and Lyna afer all.
I love that there is so much more to him than the first impression of him might suggest.

But I also like to take him into my team because he's a great fighter. I often let him sneak ahead and lay some traps in front of some unaware enemies and then positioning himself behind one of those emissaries.

Modifié par Amenirdis, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:30 .

[EnchantedEyes1]

Zev is also my favorite. At first it was Alistair (unhardened) but he disappointed me so much at the end and that tainted my feelings for him. I still think he is adorable but I find Zev to have much more depth of character and the relationship is interesting and fulfilling. With Zevran, you feel it is real love, not the puppy love that you get from Alistair.



I initially disliked Zev for many of the reasons mentioned by others but when I started to get to know him, WOW!

[Tamyn]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

You know if you harden Alistair you can sleep with Alistair and Zev at the same time (well, Isabela is there too, but please I shoved her off the bed) 

You got this to happen? Zevran always refuses when I try to get him to come along with Isabela, Alistair and I. How did you accomplish it?

[ejoslin]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

Zev is also my favorite. At first it was Alistair (unhardened) but he disappointed me so much at the end and that tainted my feelings for him. I still think he is adorable but I find Zev to have much more depth of character and the relationship is interesting and fulfilling. With Zevran, you feel it is real love, not the puppy love that you get from Alistair.

I initially disliked Zev for many of the reasons mentioned by others but when I started to get to know him, WOW!

Someone else mentioned that Wynne talks about Zevran having regrets and if his life had been different, he would have been a better person than Alistair.  I actually think Zevran already IS a better person than Alistair.  His life was much worse, but instead of whining about it constantly, he is very good at rolling with the punches.  Also, when you ask Alistair about the future he acts cornered, whereas Zev, as soon as he gets interested in you, makes sure that there IS a possibility of a future before continuing.  Zev faces the future head on and takes his circumstances and makes the best of them while Alistair continues to let his ghosts and ideals and the expectations of others guide him.  It's sad when Alistair tells the PC that he would give up everything just to be with her but can't.  The thing is, he could have.  Everyone in power knew Alistair's feelings towards the PC; the only one who really condemned Alistair for that was Alistair (Eamon was fine with it, Anora was ok with you two staying together even if she married Alistair, and you had the respect of most of the nobles by the time of the landsmeet).

I think I may just have sour grapes because of how much Alistair disappointed me.  With hard decisions, he takes the coward's way out unless you have high persuasion skills, and even then, he often takes the coward's way out.  And I hate the way he places the PC up on a pedestal.  Alistair is always looking for a new parent, while with Zevran, while he doesn't want to fall in love with the PC, he does fall in love, and it's for the PC, not for some image of the PC.  And while Zev's proposal is just as clumsy as everything else he says regarding his real feelings, it's there.

I think I need to get back to work  I'm putting WAY too much thought into this.