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[LadyCeras]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...


I initially disliked Zev for many of the reasons mentioned by others but when I started to get to know him, WOW!

QFT.

On my first playthrough, as a dalish rogue, I went with romancing Alistair and I was completely smitten by his character. Let's face it, he's very adorable...if a bit clingy, but...anyhow.
I didn't mind his whining and I pretty much played my game to please him (creepy, I know).

As I kept playing with different characters with different views of how things should be handled, I encountered the more...annoying side of Alistair. Not only that it made me harder to actually have a romance with him, since he clearly didn't approve of my doings, but it also made me see the point why so many people dislike him.

So, I told him to bugger off and went to chat with our dear Zev instead.

First I thought that it wouldn't be anything more than casual sex and shameless flirting, but how wrong I was. He's just so more mature as a person than Alistair and it actually feels fulfilling when Zev finally comes forth with his emotions towards your character, whereas when Alistair does this, it triggers a more "Aww, how cuuute"-response. Atleast from me anyway.

And that was Zev's breakthrough moment for me.

I still like Alistair, but Zev has taken his position as the coolest guy at camp

[KirsiJF]

I don't know if there are other Buffy fans here, but I've come to the conclusion that Alistair romance is like Bangel (Buffy and Angel) and Zevran romance is like Spuffy (Buffy and Spike). And I'm a huge Spuffy fan myself. There used to be a time when I was rather obsessed over the relationship and could spend hours and hours analyzing it.

Zevran is for sure the more enjoyable romance for me when it comes to Dragon Age. Alistair is cute, yes, and the romance is full of that fairy-tale first love stuff. Knight in shining armor etc. But Alistair is very much like Angel in a way he idolizes the woman he loves. And that was the thing that most annoyed me about Buffy and Angel. Alistair, too, doesn't seem to want to even know the real PC. He gets mad if you show him anything less than perfection.

Zevran on the other hand is a lot like Spike - he was inspired by Spike, after all. I love how he just takes life as it is and lives in the moment. He seems to fall in love with a real woman, not a fantasy. He's also more mature and in the end, more loyal. He's the one that stays. Just like it was with Spike and Angel, too.

Anyway, I think it's quite interesting finding these parallels between DA:O and Buffy.



*rant of a long time Buffy fan*

[Creature 1]

KirsiJF wrote...

I don't know if there are other Buffy fans here, but I've come to the conclusion that Alistair romance is like Bangel (Buffy and Angel) and Zevran romance is like Spuffy (Buffy and Spike).

There are actually a lot of similiarities between Angel and Alistair.  Angel is broody and sometimes whiny, often seems insecure, and frequently acts young for his age (considering he's over a hundred that was a big immersion breaker for me).  Also through the story he becomes hardened.  Buffy/Angel never really interested me, I thought Angel and Darla were much better together.  Spike is a lot like Zevran--really bad history, not terribly remorseful (Remember him telling Dawn about hunting down the kid in the coal cellar?  He didn't finish the story but we al know how that went.), not very open with emotions, and with a weird simultaneously dominant and submissive vibe.  Buffy/Spike was definitely a lot more interesting. 

[JasonPogo]

KirsiJF wrote...

I don't know if there are other Buffy fans here, but I've come to the conclusion that Alistair romance is like Bangel (Buffy and Angel) and Zevran romance is like Spuffy (Buffy and Spike). And I'm a huge Spuffy fan myself. There used to be a time when I was rather obsessed over the relationship and could spend hours and hours analyzing it.
Zevran is for sure the more enjoyable romance for me when it comes to Dragon Age. Alistair is cute, yes, and the romance is full of that fairy-tale first love stuff. Knight in shining armor etc. But Alistair is very much like Angel in a way he idolizes the woman he loves. And that was the thing that most annoyed me about Buffy and Angel. Alistair, too, doesn't seem to want to even know the real PC. He gets mad if you show him anything less than perfection.
Zevran on the other hand is a lot like Spike - he was inspired by Spike, after all. I love how he just takes life as it is and lives in the moment. He seems to fall in love with a real woman, not a fantasy. He's also more mature and in the end, more loyal. He's the one that stays. Just like it was with Spike and Angel, too.
Anyway, I think it's quite interesting finding these parallels between DA:O and Buffy.

*rant of a long time Buffy fan*

Hahaha wow I never even thought to compare them but that is a good way to put it.  All we need now is to have Alistair turn "evil" and fail epicly at it and he will be JUST like Angel. hehe

[KirsiJF]

Creature 1 wrote...
Spike is a lot like Zevran--really bad history, not terribly remorseful (Remember him telling Dawn about hunting down the kid in the coal cellar?  He didn't finish the story but we al know how that went.), not very open with emotions, and with a weird simultaneously dominant and submissive vibe.  Buffy/Spike was definitely a lot more interesting. 

That's true. Also the speech Zevran makes after he's failed to assasinate your PC (talking about how he prefers to simply live etc) reminds me of the speech Spike makes to Buffy during the end part of season 2. It's when he turns against Angel and his pompous plan to end the world, and seeks an alliance with his nemesis Buffy. It has many rather similar, practical and even hedonistic points (and same type of humor). Spike and Zevran both just want to live and therefore turn to PC/Buffy.

[ejoslin]

Evainelithe wrote...

Alistair seems to have far more dialogue than Zevran, I expected Zevran to try to aggressively seduce the PC but instead he turned into a wuss the second you add him to your party. A missed opportunity in my opinion as I don't really care much for goody-two-shoes romanceable characters like Alistair.
 
I wouldn't even go so far as calling it a romance, Zevran is more like an extra 'friendly' companion who has nothing to say.

ps. I do not want to change him for the better, anything but that.

You couldn't have spent much time talking to him as he hits on the PC in many conversations.  Also, he finally propositions you at a lower affection level than Alistair (adore rather than love).  And if you do the Zevran romance to the end, it's far more in depth than the Alistair romance.  But you are not the one who changed him -- talk to him enough, and you'll find out what actually did change him.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 décembre 2009 - 08:34 .

[Sialater]

ejoslin wrote...

Evainelithe wrote...

Alistair seems to have far more dialogue than Zevran, I expected Zevran to try to aggressively seduce the PC but instead he turned into a wuss the second you add him to your party. A missed opportunity in my opinion as I don't really care much for goody-two-shoes romanceable characters like Alistair.
 
I wouldn't even go so far as calling it a romance, Zevran is more like an extra 'friendly' companion who has nothing to say.

ps. I do not want to change him for the better, anything but that.

You couldn't have spent much time talking to him as he hits on the PC in many conversations.  Also, he finally propositions you at a lower affection level than Alistair (adore rather than love).  And if you do the Zevran romance to the end, it's far more in depth than the Alistair romance.  But you are not the one who changed him -- talk to him enough, and you'll find out what actually did change him.

No, you didn't change him.  You're his redemption.  As Buffy was Spike's.

[Subject696]

I think thay put in the game for gay guys for he those not mind doing it with males I mis said some thing and he was al over me scared me half to death when he said he said I was a pritty leader :S

[Subject696]

Evainelithe wrote...

Subject696 wrote...

I think thay put in the game for gay guys for he those not mind doing it with males I mis said some thing and he was al over me scared me half to death when he said he said I was a pritty leader :S

That might be the problem, having one character double for both male and female romances. Catering to both you lose a bit in the compromising. I wish they'd made a more aggressive male companion to romance for female PC's. As it is I find Alistair to 'pure' and Zevran not quite aggressive enough.

he is way to ease.
so I could see your point dont get me wrong but the ladys are very ease to get as well ow well what are we going to do about it its not like you ladys can get some thing out of stan haha

[Sialater]

Subject696 wrote...

Evainelithe wrote...

Subject696 wrote...

I think thay put in the game for gay guys for he those not mind doing it with males I mis said some thing and he was al over me scared me half to death when he said he said I was a pritty leader :S

That might be the problem, having one character double for both male and female romances. Catering to both you lose a bit in the compromising. I wish they'd made a more aggressive male companion to romance for female PC's. As it is I find Alistair to 'pure' and Zevran not quite aggressive enough.

he is way to ease.
so I could see your point dont get me wrong but the ladys are very ease to get as well ow well what are we going to do about it its not like you ladys can get some thing out of stan haha

Morrigan almost did. 

[Subject696]

yeah I know, kinda whould have liket to see it haha

[PuffyTail]

Evainelithe wrote...

Subject696 wrote...

I think thay put in the game for gay guys for he those not mind doing it with males I mis said some thing and he was al over me scared me half to death when he said he said I was a pritty leader :S

That might be the problem, having one character double for both male and female romances. Catering to both you lose a bit in the compromising. I wish they'd made a more aggressive male companion to romance for female PC's. As it is I find Alistair to 'pure' and Zevran not quite aggressive enough.

Time for a mod that lets you romance Sten, perhaps? I'd be all over that

As long as he remembers who's boss, anyway

Modifié par PuffyTail, 21 décembre 2009 - 09:41 .

[Subject696]

PuffyTail wrote...

Evainelithe wrote...

Subject696 wrote...

I think thay put in the game for gay guys for he those not mind doing it with males I mis said some thing and he was al over me scared me half to death when he said he said I was a pritty leader :S

That might be the problem, having one character double for both male and female romances. Catering to both you lose a bit in the compromising. I wish they'd made a more aggressive male companion to romance for female PC's. As it is I find Alistair to 'pure' and Zevran not quite aggressive enough.

Time for a mod that lets you romance Sten, perhaps? I'd be all over that

As long as he remembers who's boss, anyway

Romance Sten you do know what he says to morigan about it being unplessent

[SusanStoHelit]

I find Zevran hard to take, nearly as bad as Leliana (she's attractive enough, but waaay to religious even after you 'harden' her).



First off, he's completely unattractive (at least imo). Second, although he is witty and more 'grown up' than Alistair, with some fun dialogue, I find his attitude to murder off-putting. I generally play 'good' characters (may do an evil one to change things a bit later, but I don't enjoy them as much), so it's hard to see a good pc (male or female) finding Zevran appealing. If you could 'soften' him, maybe, playing up the 'slavery/sold as a child/couldn't get out' option.



And there is less interaction with both Leliana and Zevran than with Morrigan and Alistair. You can't even kiss them in public, which you can with the others, and get your companions' reactions. I find that both the 'alternate' romance options (regardless of your character's gender) are substandard and unappealing.

[ejoslin]

I do agree that there needs to be a make out option for Zevran like there is for Ali. I guess I don't see the PC is all that good a person, though not a bad one either. You can take the high road and say you don't kill innocents, but unless you're a mage or played one way of the dwarf noble, your character isn't exactly free of killing or wanting revenge. I know my noble PC agrees with the statement that some people just need to die. As does my city elf. The world of dragon age is a very cold, dog-eat-dog one. Even when you behave in a "good" way, you're often doing others harm, or at least exposing them to it.

[SusanStoHelit]

See, killing people because they attack me? No problem. Because they are murderers, rapists, thugs, traitors, and so on and so forth (if I'm playing a 'good guy')? No problem. Or even because it's necessary and expedient - though with distaste and regret.

But to boast of enjoying it? Having no remorse or feelings of guilt? If I'm to role play (and I do) then my 'good' character would be appalled and revolted by such an attitude. Neutral or evil characters, no problem. Being forced to choose the lesser of two evils, killing someone you didn't want to in order to save your own life or that of others - yes; deliberately choose an intimate relationship with a cold-blooded murderer (who doesn't 'soften' or put aside that attitude), knowing that is what they are - no. It doesn't work for me from a role playing perspective.

I do have one of my female characters romancing Zevran (as a completionist I've got to do it, just to see what happens and how it affects the story) but she'll be the only one. Never again. Not 'working'.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 21 décembre 2009 - 11:30 .

[Subject696]

Evainelithe wrote...

PuffyTail wrote...

Evainelithe wrote...

Subject696 wrote...

I think thay put in the game for gay guys for he those not mind doing it with males I mis said some thing and he was al over me scared me half to death when he said he said I was a pritty leader :S

That might be the problem, having one character double for both male and female romances. Catering to both you lose a bit in the compromising. I wish they'd made a more aggressive male companion to romance for female PC's. As it is I find Alistair to 'pure' and Zevran not quite aggressive enough.

Time for a mod that lets you romance Sten, perhaps? I'd be all over that

As long as he remembers who's boss, anyway

Sten freaks me out  That would be like romancing a Borg. "Resistance is futile. You will be romanced, then assimilated'. Ugh thanks but no thanks.

haha   so what have we learned from that are we happy with the once we have so far or would you like my to ask the red headit dwarf if he would like a dance 

[Sabriana]

Yeah, I love Zevran too. Like many others, I did the Alistair romance first, and was terribly disappointed. Zevran, on the other hand, is not only a great fighter but a far more satisfying romance option. It's too bad that he has so fewer conversations. He is so much deeper than shallow Alistair, and his reactions, conversations, even his blurbs are either funny, heartwarming, or both.



Btw, I think to get offered the earring again after initially refusing it, you have to use the line "I'm no wiser than you in that area." At least I seem to remember it that way.