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[YoziMaiden]

Ploppy wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not only is your position utterly absurd, and bilogically backwards

It is NOT biologically backwards, which I've been trying to explain for five or six posts in a row now. Many, many species have the male carrying the eggs or the uterus before the female comes in to nurse the children. And females are not -always- the caretakers either.
The simple possibility of male Qunari being able to give birth is completely valid, and I am going to believe it unless the devs go out of their way to tell us otherwise.

Listen I am an advocate for destroying gender boundries.  So, I sort of get where you're coming from.  The thing is it doesn't at all make sense for what we know of the Quanari.  I'm not talking about biological functions or what not,  I am talking about the culture of the group.  They are a warrior race with a clearly defined system of rules and regulations.

I see no reason why the sex that would be capable of bearing children would go out and fight.  It risks too many things in the long and short run,  so instead you would logically send out the group that was capable of fertilizing the ovum instead of the ones that carry said egg.  Why?  Well,  you really do need less men in a species then you need women.

I really should stop now... but I can't.

Modifié par YoziMaiden, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:44 .

[chunkyman]

Ploppy wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not only is your position utterly absurd, and bilogically backwards

It is NOT biologically backwards, which I've been trying to explain for five or six posts in a row now. Many, many species have the male carrying the eggs or the uterus before the female comes in to nurse the children. And females are not -always- the caretakers either. The simple possibility of male Qunari being able to give birth is completely valid.

Someone failed biology. It is most definitely backwards. Mammals are distinctly divided along male/female lines for evolutionary reasons. Qunari are mammals because of breasts and hair. While you might (99.9999% sure you wouldn't) find sufficient cultural reasons for allowing males to raise children in Qunari society, mammals don't work how you think they do. I urge you to look up mammalian evolutionary history.

[TJPags]

Ploppy wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Not only is your position utterly absurd, and bilogically backwards

It is NOT biologically backwards, which I've been trying to explain for five or six posts in a row now. Many, many species have the male carrying the eggs or the uterus before the female comes in to nurse the children. And females are not -always- the caretakers either.
The simple possibility of male Qunari being able to give birth is completely valid, and I am going to believe it unless the devs go out of their way to tell us otherwise.

A species of seahorse has the female lay eggs in a males pouch, where they then incubate until they come to term.  That is hardly "many species",

A uterus is a female reproductive organ.  It is, therefore, decidedly un-natural for it to occur in men.

Male Qunari do not give birth.  Qunari parents do not raise their own children.

I think I'm quite done with your obvious trolling.  Go make your own game, where your loony theories can find expression.  I'm going to go to sleep and pretend this was all a nightmare.

Modifié par TJPags, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:31 .

[Ninja Mage]

I'm not talking about birth here...sheesh

[wulfsturm]

Ninja Mage wrote...

So If a male qunari liked another male qunari, how would that be handled. I'm not asking for a "It wouldn't happen'' response. I mean IF it did, what would happen

Behind closed doors?

[chunkyman]

Ninja Mage wrote...

I'm not talking about birth here...sheesh

Looks like ploppy kinda derailed your topic. To be back on topic after that... disturbance... I would guess that the Qunari would simply look at it is as time wasting. 

[PsychoBlonde]

Ninja Mage wrote...

So If a male qunari liked another male qunari, how would that be handled. I'm not asking for a "It wouldn't happen'' response. I mean IF it did, what would happen

The thing is--this probably happens all the time and it just doesn't occur to them to have sex.  It IS possible to have friends and NOT **** them, you know.  I mean, they even have a word they use for people they're really fond of: "kadan", Sten uses it to you if you get his sword back, he uses it on Shale, and the Qunari warriors in the Fade tease each other with it.  It'd be a bromance.

If for some reason they did decide to have sex (and got caught), they'd probably just get a lecture, get reassigned to different units, and probably be given a bunch of additional work or similar until they got over it.  If they did something like you might see on the Jerry Springer show that totally disrupted discipline there might be scaling punishments up to and including execution, but if they were quiet about it there very likely wouldn't be much actual trouble over it apart from a (metaphorical) bucket of ice-water.

[YoziMaiden]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

So If a male qunari liked another male qunari, how would that be handled. I'm not asking for a "It wouldn't happen'' response. I mean IF it did, what would happen

The thing is--this probably happens all the time and it just doesn't occur to them to have sex.  It IS possible to have friends and NOT **** them, you know.  I mean, they even have a word they use for people they're really fond of: "kadan", Sten uses it to you if you get his sword back, he uses it on Shale, and the Qunari warriors in the Fade tease each other with it.  It'd be a bromance.

If for some reason they did decide to have sex (and got caught), they'd probably just get a lecture, get reassigned to different units, and probably be given a bunch of additional work or similar until they got over it.  If they did something like you might see on the Jerry Springer show that totally disrupted discipline there might be scaling punishments up to and including execution, but if they were quiet about it there very likely wouldn't be much actual trouble over it apart from a (metaphorical) bucket of ice-water.

We're they caught in a rad bromance?

[Anarya]

Presumably there are no same-sex sexual relationships among the Qunari. A better question might be about the Qunari concept of love, and whether they even recognize romantic love.

My impression is that, to the Qunari, there's essentially no difference between "love" and what we would consider a deep platonic friendship, and therefore I can see no reason why this would be looked down upon if it existed between two males or two females. Given that jobs are segregated by sex, it's logical to assume that most of a Qunari's social interaction is with others of his or her own gender, and therefore same-sex love would be the norm.

It's difficult for us to conceive of a society where love and sex are completely divorced, because humans as a species are horny bastards. However it seems to be the case with the Qunari.

Modifié par Anarya, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:41 .

[Ninja Mage]

Anarya wrote...

Presumably there are no same-sex sexual relationships among the Qunari. A better question might be about the Qunari concept of love, and whether they even recognize romantic love.

My impression is that, to the Qunari, there's essentially no difference between "love" and what we would consider a deep platonic friendship, and therefore I can see no reason why this would be looked down upon if it existed between two males or two females. Given that jobs are segregated by sex, it's logical to assume that most of a Qunari's social interaction is with others of his or her own gender, and therefore same-sex love would be the norm.

It's difficult for us to conceive of a society where love and sex are completely divorced, because humans as a species are horny bastards. However it seems to be the case with the Qunari.

Oh I see. So the Qunari wouldn't really mind?  Because a deep friendship should lead into sex for the Qunari?
And the warriors would probably be together alot too...

[YoziMaiden]

Actually I think she's saying sex is sort of MEH for Qunari. It is in friendship that they find connection and affection.

[Ninja Mage]

Oh ok, so either way it would be more about deep friendship bond. But how can the Qunari not like sex? Seems wierd

[PsychoBlonde]

Anarya wrote...
It's difficult for us to conceive of a society where love and sex are completely divorced, because humans as a species are horny bastards.

This has a lot less to do with biology/desire than with societal norms regarding sex--and, personally, I think that modern American society is in many respects a society where love and sex are almost completely divorced, and NOT IN A GOOD WAY.  Granted, it's also a society where people seem inclined to artificially conflate them, also NOT IN A GOOD WAY.  It makes the Qunari way of doing things almost seem sensible in comparison.

[YoziMaiden]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Oh ok, so either way it would be more about deep friendship bond. But how can the Qunari not like sex? Seems wierd

As a human I will agree with this,  but the Qunari are not human.  They are another race entirely.

[Insomniak]

YoziMaiden wrote...

Listen I am an advocate for destroying gender boundries.  So, I sort of get where you're coming from.  The thing is it doesn't at all make sense for what we know of the Quanari.  I'm not talking about biological functions or what not,  I am talking about the culture of the group.  They are a warrior race with a clearly defined system of rules and regulations.

Yeah, but even Sten admitted the the Qunari still have fun every once in a while... If you pick the right dialogue options in the post-coronation part in DA:O, he describes a celebration that takes place when a Qunari is declared a hero (they can only be declared after death, or else their pride would become "too great"). He says the revelry can get quite mad, people abandoning their meditations, and that there may even be executions to restore order....

So why not sex for the sake of pleasure or romance?

Modifié par javajedi217, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:55 .

[Ziggeh]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

This has a lot less to do with biology/desire than with societal norms regarding sex

Probably a bit off topic, so I'd rather not eat into the general discussion, but that seems a little bizarre to me. It's not something I can say I've really thought about though, don't suppose there is any writing you could thrust in my direction on the matter? (rather than detail in a thread about fantasy species)

[chunkyman]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Anarya wrote...
It's difficult for us to conceive of a society where love and sex are completely divorced, because humans as a species are horny bastards.

This has a lot less to do with biology/desire than with societal norms regarding sex--and, personally, I think that modern American society is in many respects a society where love and sex are almost completely divorced, and NOT IN A GOOD WAY.  Granted, it's also a society where people seem inclined to artificially conflate them, also NOT IN A GOOD WAY.  It makes the Qunari way of doing things almost seem sensible in comparison.

I know it's off topic, but I'm curious what you opinions are about sex and love in american culture.

[YoziMaiden]

javajedi217 wrote...

YoziMaiden wrote...

Listen I am an advocate for destroying gender boundries.  So, I sort of get where you're coming from.  The thing is it doesn't at all make sense for what we know of the Quanari.  I'm not talking about biological functions or what not,  I am talking about the culture of the group.  They are a warrior race with a clearly defined system of rules and regulations.

Yeah, but even Sten admitted the the Qunari still have fun every once in a while... If you pick the right dialogue options in the post-coronation part in DA:O, he describes a celebration that takes place when a Qunari is declared a hero (they can only be declared after death, or else their pride would become "too great"). He says the revelry can get quite mad, people abandoning their meditations, and that there may even be executions to restore order....

So why not sex for the sake of pleasure or romance?

This quote was in refrence to ploppy suggesting that sten could poop a baby out of his male reproductive organ.  Please do not take it of of context.

[PsychoBlonde]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Oh ok, so either way it would be more about deep friendship bond. But how can the Qunari not like sex? Seems wierd

It doesn't mean they don't like sex, just that they don't associate sex with love.  If you want to think about how these sorts of associations work, think about people who have fetishes.  I'm not talking about the jokey type of fetish, I'm talking about people with a true psychological fetish where they are either unable to become fully sexually aroused without, say, feathers--or said feathers produce basically instant arousal regardless of context.  To the Qunari, really, really liking someone and enjoying spending time with them doesn't produce physical arousal.  (I am totally, totally NOT going to speculate on what DOES--maybe being thrown in a dark room naked with a total stranger, I DON'T KNOW.)

It's really not that difficult a concept to wrap your mind around if you've studied human sexuality AT ALL, because there are humans with just about every concievable type of arousal-setup you can imagine (and quite a few that you can't).

[PsychoBlonde]

chunkyman wrote...

 I know it's off topic, but I'm curious what you opinions are about sex and love in american culture.

Eh, Ziggeh and chunkyman, that's probably a PM discussion.  I don't think I have any books/articles lying around that are JUST about human sexuality for you, though, Ziggeh.  I've constructed my views over the course of about 20 years largely from doing a lot of *related* reading and having parents and a bunch of friends who all have degrees in psychology and/or are practicing psychologists.

[benphelan0]

As all the others are saying, no, purly because the quanari seem to think that if it does not benefit the face, its not needed, homosexuality would be no different, a shame really, ferelden seems to accept it completely. Antiva seems to accept it to the extreme xD

[Ziggeh]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

 I know it's off topic, but I'm curious what you opinions are about sex and love in american culture.

Eh, Ziggeh and chunkyman, that's probably a PM discussion.  I don't think I have any books/articles lying around that are JUST about human sexuality for you, though, Ziggeh.  I've constructed my views over the course of about 20 years largely from doing a lot of *related* reading and having parents and a bunch of friends who all have degrees in psychology and/or are practicing psychologists.

Ah, okay then. I was interested, but it's high time I was unconcious for several hours, so unless the thread goes that way, I may bug you tomorrow.

[upsettingshorts]

benphelan0 wrote...

 Antiva seems to accept it to the extreme xD

How do you accept something to the extreme?

*woman crosses border into Antiva*
Border Guard: "Welcome to Antiva! Here's you complementary girlfriend!"
*smiling Antivan woman waves*

[PsychoBlonde]

Ziggeh wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

 I know it's off topic, but I'm curious what you opinions are about sex and love in american culture.

Eh, Ziggeh and chunkyman, that's probably a PM discussion.  I don't think I have any books/articles lying around that are JUST about human sexuality for you, though, Ziggeh.  I've constructed my views over the course of about 20 years largely from doing a lot of *related* reading and having parents and a bunch of friends who all have degrees in psychology and/or are practicing psychologists.

Ah, okay then. I was interested, but it's high time I was unconcious for several hours, so unless the thread goes that way, I may bug you tomorrow.

Tomorrow'd be good.

[PsychoBlonde]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

benphelan0 wrote...

 Antiva seems to accept it to the extreme xD

How do you accept something to the extreme?

*woman crosses border into Antiva*
Border Guard: "Welcome to Antiva! Here's you complementary girlfriend!"
*smiling Antivan woman waves*

It'd be more like "Here's your complimentary girlfriend!  MAKE OUT WITH HER RIGHT NOW OR WE SHOOT YOU."

BTW "complimentary" = free, or flattering, "complementary" = completes a set.  Although in this context you could go either way with a funny innuendo attached