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PsychoBlonde wrote...

BTW "complimentary" = free, or flattering, "complementary" = completes a set. 

One of the many errors that, for some reason, I keep making all the time.

[Ninja Mage]

The qunari are pretty tall...they must be packing heat down under

[Anarya]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Presumably there are no same-sex sexual relationships among the Qunari. A better question might be about the Qunari concept of love, and whether they even recognize romantic love.

My impression is that, to the Qunari, there's essentially no difference between "love" and what we would consider a deep platonic friendship, and therefore I can see no reason why this would be looked down upon if it existed between two males or two females. Given that jobs are segregated by sex, it's logical to assume that most of a Qunari's social interaction is with others of his or her own gender, and therefore same-sex love would be the norm.

It's difficult for us to conceive of a society where love and sex are completely divorced, because humans as a species are horny bastards. However it seems to be the case with the Qunari.

Oh I see. So the Qunari wouldn't really mind?  Because a deep friendship should lead into sex for the Qunari?
And the warriors would probably be together alot too...

No, they don't have sex at all with the people they love. They are periodically assigned a sexual partner (different one each time) for the purposes of reproduction and there is no sex outside of these pairings. They don't see the partner again and the child is raised by other Qunari whose job it is to take care of the children. So there's no concept of family units except maybe the unit you work with, like Sten's.

The whole system raises questions about the Qunari biologically and in an evolutionary sense. Do they lack a libido entirely or do they merely control it at all times? Because a total lack of reproductive drive is maladaptive, one would think. Makes you wonder where they came from and what they were like as a species before the advent of the Qun.

And pretty much everything I know about Qunari came from Mary's various postings over the past few months, which you can search for, but I'm way too lazy to go cite all this stuff myself.

[PsychoBlonde]

Anarya wrote...

The whole system raises questions about the Qunari biologically and in an evolutionary sense.

Not really--it is a huge mistake to believe that a different cultural approach to sex and love means there's a BIOLOGICAL difference.  Hell, in Western culture, in REAL LIFE, the equation of love and sex is a modern invention that's only really been around the past 2-300 years or so.  Prior to that the idea of romantic love was seen as tragic and/or comical/adolescent--or possibly even completely divorced from sexual desire.  The fallout from this (and the various counter-movements) is still present in the culture today.

[Aermas]

There are a lot of ways to love. Brother Love, Sister Love, Friendly Love, Chaste Love, Unrequited Love, Motherly/Fatherly Love, Courtly Love (think Lance-a-lot before he sleeps with Guinevere), etc.



But there is only one kind of sex. The Qunari may love each other unconditionally, but they might only have sex with certain people. Or they could be a big "do anyone you feel like" culture, like Persia or Rome. It might explain Isabela being "free-spirited". I actually think it may be the later based on the ancient equivalents to the Qun

[YoziMaiden]

But I want to know if I can romance Jowaine.

[Herr Uhl]

Aermas wrote...

But there is only one kind of sex. The Qunari may love each other unconditionally, but they might only have sex with certain people. Or they could be a big "do anyone you feel like" culture, like Persia or Rome. It might explain Isabela being "free-spirited". I actually think it may be the later based on the ancient equivalents to the Qun

Mary Kirby wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, as long as it's not with Qunari females, there shouldn't be such a problem with wanton copulation.

Wanton anything is going to get you in trouble with the Ben-Hassrath.   

[Aermas]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Aermas wrote...

But there is only one kind of sex. The Qunari may love each other unconditionally, but they might only have sex with certain people. Or they could be a big "do anyone you feel like" culture, like Persia or Rome. It might explain Isabela being "free-spirited". I actually think it may be the later based on the ancient equivalents to the Qun

Mary Kirby wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Well, as long as it's not with Qunari females, there shouldn't be such a problem with wanton copulation.

Wanton anything is going to get you in trouble with the Ben-Hassrath.   

Variety does not equal gluttony.

[Maria Caliban]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Anarya wrote...

The whole system raises questions about the Qunari biologically and in an evolutionary sense.

Not really--it is a huge mistake to believe that a different cultural approach to sex and love means there's a BIOLOGICAL difference.  Hell, in Western culture, in REAL LIFE, the equation of love and sex is a modern invention that's only really been around the past 2-300 years or so.  Prior to that the idea of romantic love was seen as tragic and/or comical/adolescent--or possibly even completely divorced from sexual desire.  The fallout from this (and the various counter-movements) is still present in the culture today.

Yes, really.

Qunari culture is able to impose a single, sexual behavior on the vast majority of the populous while removing any emotional attachment from sex. If you know a human culture that's managed to do the same, I'd like to hear it.

BrotherWarth wrote...

All these threads about love interests and sexuality are really getting tiresome.
"Is Fenris a M/M LI?" "Is Varris a bi LI?" "Why can't Bethany and Carver be LIs?"

Seriously, stop.

...oh wait. You're serious?

Let me laugh even harder: :lol:

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 04 janvier 2011 - 03:37 .

[Cobrawar]

I think we should call them Kunari rather then Qunari because K is higher up in the alphabet then Q is

[Osena109]

 The Qunari   are like based on militant Islamic  people  am  pretty they would not condone same sex relations  am not even sure if Qunari have proper freindships left alone romantic ones

[YoziMaiden]

Osena109 wrote...

 The Qunari   are like based on militant Islamic  people  am  pretty they would not condone same sex relations  am not even sure if Qunari have proper freindships left alone romantic ones

Oh...  oh wow.

[Cobrawar]

Osena109 wrote...

 The Qunari   are like based on militant Islamic  people  am  pretty they would not condone same sex relations  am not even sure if Qunari have proper freindships left alone romantic ones

If this is true, then yeah I dont think same sex relations would be possible in fact I think they execute their same sex people

[PsychoBlonde]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Qunari culture is able to impose a single, sexual behavior on the vast majority of the populous while removing any emotional attachment from sex. If you know a human culture that's managed to do the same, I'd like to hear it.

Qunari culture is more (apparently) homogenous than any real culture on earth--and we have no idea just how effective their efforts to do this actually are, just that this is the "party line", so to speak.  Monitoring people so that they don't go sneaking off into the bushes may be such a huge and time-consuming project that there's an entire division of the Ben-hassrath devoted to it for all we know.  Or they could use other functional expedients like just never allowing anyone any real privacy and keeping the sexes segregated into completely different job functions.  Or, they just don't bother unless someone attains Jerry-Springer-like levels of obnoxiousness.

Strong emotional attachment to one's sexual partners is more of a modern phenomenon, though, and in many cultures on earth is actually ridiculed as much as being "whipped" is ridiculed by many in America.  There is also a large difference between what people want or desire and what they DO about it.  Sten's initial response to Morrigan ("as if I'd be interested in something so small") certainly implies that he FEELS desire, at least under SOME circumstances.  Pretty much all the information we have comes direct from Sten, and (as he reminds the PC), he's just One Guy.  Since he's Vanguard, there's a good chance he's spent almost all of his life living pretty much like a cloistered monk, interacting with women ONLY when he's the highest-ranking male around and their current jobs intersect in some way.

Even in a massively diverse culture like the U.S., something like 80% of people still subscribe to the same religion as their parents.  I would not be surprised that in an oppressive monoculture that actively stamps out dissent and has been around for a thousand years or so, that number approaches 99.999%.

Or even just look at my family.  All of us were raised in very similar attitudes toward sex, and look, we all have very similar sex lives (or lack thereof, generally).  We're not biological freaks, we just don't consider getting laid regularly to be some sort of all-consuming priority.  We're all very analytical-minded.

[Cobrawar]

People generally live longer those who have sex then those who dont

Modifié par Cobrawar, 04 janvier 2011 - 04:20 .

[Herr Uhl]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Tired Fututama joke is tired. Just like these damn threads.

This is lore-related at least. Same-sex relations wouldn't screw up the breeding, so assuming it'd be acceptable isn't too far-fetched.

[Osena109]

Cobrawar wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

 The Qunari   are like based on militant Islamic  people  am  pretty they would not condone same sex relations  am not even sure if Qunari have proper freindships left alone romantic ones

If this is true, then yeah I dont think same sex relations would be possible in fact I think they execute their same sex people

The Qunari have been nicknamed “militant Islamic Borg” by Lead Writer David Gaider

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qunari

[PsychoBlonde]

Cobrawar wrote...

People generally live longer those who have sex then those who dont

<Citation Needed>

I did a quick Google and the only info available on this appears to be the claim that frequent ORGASMS can POSSIBLY help improve life expectancy.  Whether there has to be another person involved or not, the article did not say--and the evidence is spotty at best, anyway.

The survey that cracks ME up is the one that indicates that married MEN live LONGER than their unmarried counterparts, whereas UNMARRIED women live longer than their MARRIED counterparts.  Hey, ladies, ever feel like your spouse is sucking the life from your body?  WELL NOW YOU KNOW.

[Herr Uhl]

Osena109 wrote...

Cobrawar wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

 The Qunari   are like based on militant Islamic  people  am  pretty they would not condone same sex relations  am not even sure if Qunari have proper freindships left alone romantic ones

If this is true, then yeah I dont think same sex relations would be possible in fact I think they execute their same sex people

The Qunari have been nicknamed “militant Islamic Borg” by Lead Writer David Gaider

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qunari

That isn't due to religion, just their technological advantage and conquests seem akin to Islamic countries (like the Ottomans) in relation to Thedas psuedo-Europe.

[PsychoBlonde]

Herr Uhl wrote...

That isn't due to religion, just their technological advantage and conquests seem akin to Islamic countries (like the Ottomans) in relation to Thedas psuedo-Europe.

I wonder if Gaider ever wishes he could go back in time and smack himself before the word "Islamic" came out of his mouth.  I mean, it's only like the 400th person who hasn't bothered to read any of the OTHER information regarding the Qunari coming on here and presenting that ONE OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE as if it were some kind of conversational coup.

[Ortaya Alevli]

The impression I get is that the qunari would do away with sex altogether as soon as they devised an artificial insemination method.

[Osena109]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

Cobrawar wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

 The Qunari   are like based on militant Islamic  people  am  pretty they would not condone same sex relations  am not even sure if Qunari have proper freindships left alone romantic ones

If this is true, then yeah I dont think same sex relations would be possible in fact I think they execute their same sex people

The Qunari have been nicknamed “militant Islamic Borg” by Lead Writer David Gaider

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qunari

That isn't due to religion, just their technological advantage and conquests seem akin to Islamic countries (like the Ottomans) in relation to Thedas psuedo-Europe.

I can  see your point but Still the Qunari   just don't seem like the typ that would condone   any form of  lavish affection on any person were talking about a people that don't even have cookies let alone pie even when the Qunari do let loose and sit down to drink  some brew there are excutions if they let loose alittle to much  i just don't see it happing